[ARCHIVED THREAD] - DOGS OF WAR (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 9/17/2015 3:02:08 PM EDT
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9mm quad was a special round loaded from around January 1979 to February 1979 
Seriously, it was a 9mm round consisting of four stacked copper jacketed lead discs weighing app 30 grains each. Upon firing they would spread out. Saw them profiled (natch) in an issue of soldier of fortune. Absolutely useless. Let's weaken nine mm fmj and make it inaccurate, too! |
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Good movie for its era. You have to judge it by its decade. Saw it the first time at the base theater when I was in the military. Liked it much better latter on than when I first saw it in '81. Actually, almost got recruited at that time by the government of SA to enter into their security forces via the SA consulate in Tokyo, Japan back then (had a verifiable Golden Gloves and martial arts background). I remember the deal on the pay was like quadruple of what the US armed forces paid in those days and I am rather Germanic looking and was a big boy, so that was a plus for sure. Glad now after all these years, that I didn't take the plunge though. |
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Actually, I thought the book sucked and the movie was (marginally) better. Best part is the interrogation when Walken says something to the effect of, let's get this straight there's no way you get out of this alive; how you die is up to you. I'm with you on this. I just finished reading the book earlier this week... Seriously? 3/4 of the book is learning about the African nation, getting the job, and then planning for it. The ending was really lackluster and I think it was poorly done and/or rushed especially in regards to Soviets that we supposed to be going there for the surveys. Haven't watched the movie yet, that's what I'll be watching this weekend. |
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I'm with you on this. I just finished reading the book earlier this week... Seriously? 3/4 of the book is learning about the African nation, getting the job, and then planning for it. The ending was really lackluster and I think it was poorly done and/or rushed especially in regards to Soviets that we supposed to be going there for the surveys. Haven't watched the movie yet, that's what I'll be watching this weekend. Quoted:
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Actually, I thought the book sucked and the movie was (marginally) better. Best part is the interrogation when Walken says something to the effect of, let's get this straight there's no way you get out of this alive; how you die is up to you. I'm with you on this. I just finished reading the book earlier this week... Seriously? 3/4 of the book is learning about the African nation, getting the job, and then planning for it. The ending was really lackluster and I think it was poorly done and/or rushed especially in regards to Soviets that we supposed to be going there for the surveys. Haven't watched the movie yet, that's what I'll be watching this weekend. The book is better if you think of it less as novel and more as a how to manual. Makes sense when you think of the context in which it was written. |
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Quoted: A Manville gas gun but I think it was made for police and riots and such and only fired gas canisters of some odd size. Quoted: Quoted: Which grenade launcher is that? A Manville gas gun but I think it was made for police and riots and such and only fired gas canisters of some odd size. More info from IMFDB: Manville 25mm Projectile LauncherKnown as the fictional "XM-18" in the movie, the multi-shot grenade launcher itself is the late model variant of the Manville Projectile Launcher. Originally it was designed in 1936 as a rotary-cylinder 12 gauge shotgun with 24-shell capacity. The device was later redesigned to fire 25mm tear gas or smoke grenades and flares and had a capacity of 18 shells. By the early 1940s Charles Manville developed his final version of the Manville Projectile Launcher, this time in 37mm with a 12 round capacity. Even with the advent of World War 2 occupying everyone's thoughts, the orders for a multiple grenade launcher didn't catch, especially since, when fully loaded, the Manville would be incredibly heavy. By 1943, the Manville Launcher was scrapped. After decades of being out of production, the Movie "Dogs of War" generated incredible interest again in the Manville. Frankford Arsenal decided to renew the production with new materials and developed 25mm, 37mm, and 40mm versions - calling it the Hawk MM1 grenade launcher. The Manville Projectile Launcher was primarily used by Jamie Shannon (Christopher Walken) and Drew (Tom Berenger) in the final assault. Several internet sources claim that the "XM-18" was the first Manville 12 gauge shotgun (24 round capacity), but that is incorrect. The version in the film is the late-model 25mm Manville with 18 round capacity. As has been said in many online sources, the explosive effects of the Manville in the film are a piece of fiction. The 'shells' are aluminum casings designed to take 12 gauge blanks. |
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. I read the book long before I saw the movie. Only read it because the cover had a patch with crossed c-96 broomhandle Mauser pistols on the front. The movie was fairly true to the book, but it did sort of gloss over that Shannon was already dieing from cancer compounded by all of the other wounds and maladies he had sustained during his career. IIRC Shannon walks into the bush at the end to end his life on his own terms. ETA: about that Manville - many of you guys might not be aware, but the 4ga/25mm/26.5mm/1inch rounds are basically interchangeable - and they've been the flaregun standard for European countries since the 1890s. The inch and a half (37mm) standard was a lot bigger on this side of the Atlantic, and there were a few UK guns that took it, but the inch guns are far more commonly used over there. |
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Al Bundy was in the movie. Dam you were serious http://www.google.com/url?url=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080641/&rct=j&frm=1&q=&esrc=s&sa=U&ved=0CBQQFjAAahUKEwilr-q3u__HAhUBCpIKHRLIASw&usg=AFQjCNGvCMnpJYU0AuQaTSZf9Nl_iuEd3g |
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"You're late!!!" Tough boss. Loved the movie. Forsyth wrote some excellent stuff. |
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Too bad they don't make African Mercenary films anymore. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTI7e5cCRwBuJ_wCa_vb49KGKcKiHKDON9WFNsWFy4aREPSQHw http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BNDQyMTI5MDIzNl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMjQzNDMzMQ@@._V1_SY317_CR6,0,214,317_AL_.jpg Dark of the Sun was good. Too bad you can't get the unedited version on DVD. I don't think it was available on VHS, either. There is some censoring of words and a number of cut scenes in the current DVD version. Apparently some copies exist of the original version on reels. Quentin Tarantino supposedly has a copy. |
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Dark of the Sun was good. Too bad you can't get the unedited version on DVD. I don't think it was available on VHS, either. There is some censoring of words and a number of cut scenes in the current DVD version. Apparently some copies exist of the original version on reels. Quentin Tarantino supposedly has a copy. Quoted:
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Too bad they don't make African Mercenary films anymore. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTI7e5cCRwBuJ_wCa_vb49KGKcKiHKDON9WFNsWFy4aREPSQHw http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BNDQyMTI5MDIzNl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMjQzNDMzMQ@@._V1_SY317_CR6,0,214,317_AL_.jpg Dark of the Sun was good. Too bad you can't get the unedited version on DVD. I don't think it was available on VHS, either. There is some censoring of words and a number of cut scenes in the current DVD version. Apparently some copies exist of the original version on reels. Quentin Tarantino supposedly has a copy. Honestly, I haven't seen Dark of the Sun, but I've heard a lot about it. It's not even available on Netflix. The train decoupling scene is on Youtube. |
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Honestly, I haven't seen Dark of the Sun, but I've heard a lot about it. It's not even available on Netflix. The train decoupling scene is on Youtube. Quoted:
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Too bad they don't make African Mercenary films anymore. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTI7e5cCRwBuJ_wCa_vb49KGKcKiHKDON9WFNsWFy4aREPSQHw http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BNDQyMTI5MDIzNl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMjQzNDMzMQ@@._V1_SY317_CR6,0,214,317_AL_.jpg Dark of the Sun was good. Too bad you can't get the unedited version on DVD. I don't think it was available on VHS, either. There is some censoring of words and a number of cut scenes in the current DVD version. Apparently some copies exist of the original version on reels. Quentin Tarantino supposedly has a copy. Honestly, I haven't seen Dark of the Sun, but I've heard a lot about it. It's not even available on Netflix. The train decoupling scene is on Youtube. The whole thing (edited version) is available on youtube last I checked. That's how I was able to watch it. |
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Quoted: 9mm quad was a special round loaded from around January 1979 to February 1979 Seriously, it was a 9mm round consisting of four stacked copper jacketed lead discs weighing app 30 grains each. Upon firing they would spread out. Saw them profiled (natch) in an issue of soldier of fortune. Absolutely useless. Let's weaken nine mm fmj and make it inaccurate, too! Pretty sure that was the .357 Quadramaximum. Used a .357 revolver with reamed out cylinders, and a .357 maximum case that went clean out to the edge of the cylinder. The foremost disk fit flush with the end of the case. No way to get 4 33 grain disks in a 9mm case and still have room for powder (assuming you can even get them all in the case at all). Didn't they use Dardicks in the book? Been thirty years since I read it last. |