Posted: 9/28/2011 6:22:15 PM EDT
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I'm in my final semester at CTI school, and will be submitting my official application to the FAA shortly thereafter. Do any of you know if your facility will be hiring anytime soon? I'm not partial to terminal or en-route, so either will work. Do any of you have any recommendations as to what two states to list for my geographic preferences? I'm leaning towards FL and TX. Thanks guys |
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Quoted: I've got friends in FL and TX, I'll ask around but, According to a friend who is in OKC right now it's a ghost town so you may just put you'll do either option and aim for the states with the most facilities. Yeah, I figured TX and FL since they have many facilities, and are both gun friendly states without a state income tax. I've heard that Houston Center will be hiring around 20 people sometime in the next few months, but who knows.
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Quoted: Quoted: I've got friends in FL and TX, I'll ask around but, According to a friend who is in OKC right now it's a ghost town so you may just put you'll do either option and aim for the states with the most facilities. Yeah, I figured TX and FL since they have many facilities, and are both gun friendly states without a state income tax. I've heard that Houston Center will be hiring around 20 people sometime in the next few months, but who knows. Houston center is a mess right now from what I've heard. They tried an experiment with their trainees and got a huge wash out rate. Then when they realized they messed up they just suspended training so alot of folks were sitting around. That's what I heard in Feb. |
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Couple Florida websites for ya:
Miami ARTCC (ZMA) Jacksonville Center (ZJX) |
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those are vatsim websites not real ARTCC websites. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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those are vatsim websites not real ARTCC websites. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Yeah... I know.  They still have some useful information in them.
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| There is a lot of movement in Florida. Don't know if they are picking up new hires or just transfers. Tallahassee is taking 5 next year (have to replace me and one other person). Daytona just took 6, MIA just took a few transfers, F11 has a long waiting list of transfers, TPA doesn't tend to take many new people. JAX and ZJX are always taking people, JAX will take just about anyone with a pulse. Don't know about TX but people who pick Florida tend to get picked up pretty quick. Just keep in mind there are a several towers (FPR, VRB, ORL, SFB, etc) where you will not learn radar and can be somewhat hard to get out of. |
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Quoted: There is a lot of movement in Florida. Don't know if they are picking up new hires or just transfers. Tallahassee is taking 5 next year (have to replace me and one other person). Daytona just took 6, MIA just took a few transfers, F11 has a long waiting list of transfers, TPA doesn't tend to take many new people. JAX and ZJX are always taking people, JAX will take just about anyone with a pulse. Don't know about TX but people who pick Florida tend to get picked up pretty quick. Just keep in mind there are a several towers (FPR, VRB, ORL, SFB, etc) where you will not learn radar and can be somewhat hard to get out of. Out of those options, ZJX sounds the most appealing, but I can handle Tallahassee since I graduated from FSU in 2008. I know FL will be one choice, I'm just not sure about my second preference. TX and CO look to be the top contenders so far.
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ZMA is hiring 12 for FY2012... I'm number 21 in line. Can't wait for 2013. 
Rumor mill says that Oakland Center and New York Center both picked up big numbers this time around. Most other centers are kind-of idling their training departments, looking for the economy to improve, and volumes to pick back up. |
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Quoted: ZMA is hiring 12 for FY2012... I'm number 21 in line. Can't wait for 2013. Rumor mill says that Oakland Center and New York Center both picked up big numbers this time around. Most other centers are kind-of idling their training departments, looking for the economy to improve, and volumes to pick back up. ZOA and ZNY are both revolving doors right now. Big changes in both their training depts including ZOA firing most of their training depts and shit canning Raytheon. |
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ZMA is hiring 12 for FY2012... I'm number 21 in line. Can't wait for 2013.
Rumor mill says that Oakland Center and New York Center both picked up big numbers this time around. Most other centers are kind-of idling their training departments, looking for the economy to improve, and volumes to pick back up. ZOA and ZNY are both revolving doors right now. Big changes in both their training depts including ZOA firing most of their training depts and shit canning Raytheon. I work for Raytheon at ZMA... Tell me about it. 
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Quoted: Quoted: ZMA is hiring 12 for FY2012... I'm number 21 in line. Can't wait for 2013. Rumor mill says that Oakland Center and New York Center both picked up big numbers this time around. Most other centers are kind-of idling their training departments, looking for the economy to improve, and volumes to pick back up. ZOA and ZNY are both revolving doors right now. Big changes in both their training depts including ZOA firing most of their training depts and shit canning Raytheon. No worries there, CA and NY are at the bottom of my list. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: ZMA is hiring 12 for FY2012... I'm number 21 in line. Can't wait for 2013. Rumor mill says that Oakland Center and New York Center both picked up big numbers this time around. Most other centers are kind-of idling their training departments, looking for the economy to improve, and volumes to pick back up. ZOA and ZNY are both revolving doors right now. Big changes in both their training depts including ZOA firing most of their training depts and shit canning Raytheon. No worries there, CA and NY are at the bottom of my list. Doesn't always matter. In my class we had 5 guys going to Alaska. Alaska wasn't on their lists but they weren't going to wait around. Right now there are alot of people in the system you could get what you want or you can try waiting it out. Good luck. |
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You're probably not going to get into a level 12 terminal facility out of OKC anymore. I saw some guidance a while back that limited new hires to level 8's and below. There's been some chatter that it may be level 10's and below. This is because of the tremendous amount of washouts they were getting when the FAA decided to send off the street hires to NY Tracon, Chicago Tracon, SOCAL approach etc... There's going to be a lot of WTF in the near future since 130 some facilities are getting downgraded including mine. The FAA may adjust manning levels lower because of this. As for places to go, as much as I hate to recommend CA, there are a lot of facilities on Cali. Many of which should be taking people. Alaska is a biggie, Fairbanks actually had a temporary bid out this year looking for controllers to come work their "busy season". I put in for it but my facility wouldn't release me this year. It looked like a sweet deal on paper. Take a look at PA too, there's a bunch of facilities in PA that I've been seeing with regular bids out. AVP, MDT, ERI, PHL come immediately to mind that I've seen recently. Good luck! |
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Quoted: Unrelated, but related question. I've been kicking around the idea of jumping the shark and going from airline to FAA as a maint insp. How much would not having the 10 point veteran's preferance hurt me in the process? It would hurt you 10 points worth....  Honestly I don't think anyone here can answer that. It's all dependent on when they pull the bids and who's applied along with you. |
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You're probably not going to get into a level 12 terminal facility out of OKC anymore. I saw some guidance a while back that limited new hires to level 8's and below. There's been some chatter that it may be level 10's and below. This is because of the tremendous amount of washouts they were getting when the FAA decided to send off the street hires to NY Tracon, Chicago Tracon, SOCAL approach etc... There's going to be a lot of WTF in the near future since 130 some facilities are getting downgraded including mine. The FAA may adjust manning levels lower because of this. As for places to go, as much as I hate to recommend CA, there are a lot of facilities on Cali. Many of which should be taking people. Alaska is a biggie, Fairbanks actually had a temporary bid out this year looking for controllers to come work their "busy season". I put in for it but my facility wouldn't release me this year. It looked like a sweet deal on paper. Yeah those years were a mess. I was at RTF during that and I was the only one from a facility in the class, everyone else was a new hire and going to 12s! Heard most of them have since washed. I also bid on that Fairbanks gig, sure sounds like a good deal but ended up withdrawing because my ERR went through much quicker than anyone thought. |
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Quoted: Quoted: You're probably not going to get into a level 12 terminal facility out of OKC anymore. I saw some guidance a while back that limited new hires to level 8's and below. There's been some chatter that it may be level 10's and below. This is because of the tremendous amount of washouts they were getting when the FAA decided to send off the street hires to NY Tracon, Chicago Tracon, SOCAL approach etc... There's going to be a lot of WTF in the near future since 130 some facilities are getting downgraded including mine. The FAA may adjust manning levels lower because of this. As for places to go, as much as I hate to recommend CA, there are a lot of facilities on Cali. Many of which should be taking people. Alaska is a biggie, Fairbanks actually had a temporary bid out this year looking for controllers to come work their "busy season". I put in for it but my facility wouldn't release me this year. It looked like a sweet deal on paper. Yeah those years were a mess. I was at RTF during that and I was the only one from a facility in the class, everyone else was a new hire and going to 12s! Heard most of them have since washed. I also bid on that Fairbanks gig, sure sounds like a good deal but ended up withdrawing because my ERR went through much quicker than anyone thought. So where did you ERR to? |
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Unrelated, but related question. I've been kicking around the idea of jumping the shark and going from airline to FAA as a maint insp. How much would not having the 10 point veteran's preferance hurt me in the process? It would hurt you 10 points worth.... Honestly I don't think anyone here can answer that. It's all dependent on when they pull the bids and who's applied along with you.
I guess I should have asked, what ends up earning you points, and is there a place where you can look up the point scale? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Unrelated, but related question. I've been kicking around the idea of jumping the shark and going from airline to FAA as a maint insp. How much would not having the 10 point veteran's preferance hurt me in the process? It would hurt you 10 points worth.... Honestly I don't think anyone here can answer that. It's all dependent on when they pull the bids and who's applied along with you. I guess I should have asked, what ends up earning you points, and is there a place where you can look up the point scale? That's a question for some HR person in OKC. The only "points" I know of are 5 for being a veteran and 10 for having a VA disability rating over 10%. Any other points would be specific to the judging criteria the hiring folks are using. Something tells me you won't find that online or hear any more about it. |
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You're probably not going to get into a level 12 terminal facility out of OKC anymore. I saw some guidance a while back that limited new hires to level 8's and below. There's been some chatter that it may be level 10's and below. This is because of the tremendous amount of washouts they were getting when the FAA decided to send off the street hires to NY Tracon, Chicago Tracon, SOCAL approach etc... There's going to be a lot of WTF in the near future since 130 some facilities are getting downgraded including mine. The FAA may adjust manning levels lower because of this. As for places to go, as much as I hate to recommend CA, there are a lot of facilities on Cali. Many of which should be taking people. Alaska is a biggie, Fairbanks actually had a temporary bid out this year looking for controllers to come work their "busy season". I put in for it but my facility wouldn't release me this year. It looked like a sweet deal on paper. Yeah those years were a mess. I was at RTF during that and I was the only one from a facility in the class, everyone else was a new hire and going to 12s! Heard most of them have since washed. I also bid on that Fairbanks gig, sure sounds like a good deal but ended up withdrawing because my ERR went through much quicker than anyone thought. So where did you ERR to? Was trying for Orlando Approach but they got a line of around 100 to get in. Managed to get Daytona Beach, going to be flight training hell but at least they are in C172s. Here I get the military flight training (a lot of the students are foreign and can't speak English for shit) in Texans and T38s. I figure dumb and slow is better than dumb and fast, lol. My college buddy that I work with (we got hired, went to OKC, and reported here at the same time) actually got Miami, he transfers December 4th. Decent amount of movement ERR wise in Florida. |
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After browsing around stuckmic.com (forum for controllers and CTI students), it seems like everyone and their brother is trying for FL. Is it still a good choice due to the number of facilities? Touched on a few several post above, here is what I know about every FAA facility in FL: DAB: Taking 6 at the moment. My transfer is for Nov. 7th and I start with 3 other people, should all be transfers. This will put them in there range. FLL: I'll check the staffing tomorrow at work, but on the downgrade list. FXE: same as above (not sure if on the downgrade list) F11: Decently staffed, list over over 100 people who want to transfer there. ZJX: Always seems to be grabbing people, probably where any FL new hires go to. JAX: Takes anyone with a pulse, facility has morale issues. Two co-workers transferred over there earlier this year, I'll ask if they are looking to hire anytime soon. ZMA: Decently staffed, Got a college buddy down there I'll talk to. MIA: Just took a several transfers, no real interest in new hires (most level 11 and 12 terminal facilities are pretty much only taking transfers). ORL: Downgrade list, morale issues, basically a dead end career there, hard to get out of. MCO: Double downgrade coming, way overstaffed. SFB: downgrade list, poor place to start, fully staffed. PBI: Overall good place, I'll check the staffing tomorrow and call a buddy who works there about new hires. PNS: Don't know anything, I'll check staffing tomorrow. P31: Needs a few people, nice new tracon that may grow in the future. SRQ: Downgrade list, I'll look at staffing. RSW: Believe there are on the downgrade list, at staffing levels. FPR: At staffing levels PIE: Downgrade list, at staffing TLH: Taking 5 next year, mostly looking at transfer though, poorly staffed with retirements upcoming. TMB: don't know anything there. TPA: Downgrade list, won't take new hires VRB: At staffing. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You're probably not going to get into a level 12 terminal facility out of OKC anymore. I saw some guidance a while back that limited new hires to level 8's and below. There's been some chatter that it may be level 10's and below. This is because of the tremendous amount of washouts they were getting when the FAA decided to send off the street hires to NY Tracon, Chicago Tracon, SOCAL approach etc... There's going to be a lot of WTF in the near future since 130 some facilities are getting downgraded including mine. The FAA may adjust manning levels lower because of this. As for places to go, as much as I hate to recommend CA, there are a lot of facilities on Cali. Many of which should be taking people. Alaska is a biggie, Fairbanks actually had a temporary bid out this year looking for controllers to come work their "busy season". I put in for it but my facility wouldn't release me this year. It looked like a sweet deal on paper. Yeah those years were a mess. I was at RTF during that and I was the only one from a facility in the class, everyone else was a new hire and going to 12s! Heard most of them have since washed. I also bid on that Fairbanks gig, sure sounds like a good deal but ended up withdrawing because my ERR went through much quicker than anyone thought. So where did you ERR to? Was trying for Orlando Approach but they got a line of around 100 to get in. Managed to get Daytona Beach, going to be flight training hell but at least they are in C172s. Here I get the military flight training (a lot of the students are foreign and can't speak English for shit) in Texans and T38s. I figure dumb and slow is better than dumb and fast, lol. My college buddy that I work with (we got hired, went to OKC, and reported here at the same time) actually got Miami, he transfers December 4th. Decent amount of movement ERR wise in Florida. Nope, they just take longer to get rid of, lol. My last Navy base was in central California, it's the west coast master jet base. We had our .mil trainers that were a pain but man there was this one flight school down in Bakersfield that did mainly asian students. THEY SUCKED BAD!!! Daily these little goobers in their PA28's would take control instructions for F18's. The call signs are nowhere alike and it was always when I was busy they tried killing themselves. We had one crusty old DOD controller who would get so pissed he would yell at the little guys and ask if they had an english speaking instructor on board, then you would hear a clear american voice. Good, you and only you will work the radio till you're out of my airspace or else I'll terminate radar services. lmao I'd be rolling every time. |
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Quoted: Wow. Was not expecting this much. Thanks a ton. Quoted: After browsing around stuckmic.com (forum for controllers and CTI students), it seems like everyone and their brother is trying for FL. Is it still a good choice due to the number of facilities? Touched on a few several post above, here is what I know about every FAA facility in FL: DAB: Taking 6 at the moment. My transfer is for Nov. 7th and I start with 3 other people, should all be transfers. This will put them in there range. FLL: I'll check the staffing tomorrow at work, but on the downgrade list. FXE: same as above (not sure if on the downgrade list) F11: Decently staffed, list over over 100 people who want to transfer there. ZJX: Always seems to be grabbing people, probably where any FL new hires go to. JAX: Takes anyone with a pulse, facility has morale issues. Two co-workers transferred over there earlier this year, I'll ask if they are looking to hire anytime soon. ZMA: Decently staffed, Got a college buddy down there I'll talk to. MIA: Just took a several transfers, no real interest in new hires (most level 11 and 12 terminal facilities are pretty much only taking transfers). ORL: Downgrade list, morale issues, basically a dead end career there, hard to get out of. MCO: Double downgrade coming, way overstaffed. SFB: downgrade list, poor place to start, fully staffed. PBI: Overall good place, I'll check the staffing tomorrow and call a buddy who works there about new hires. PNS: Don't know anything, I'll check staffing tomorrow. P31: Needs a few people, nice new tracon that may grow in the future. SRQ: Downgrade list, I'll look at staffing. RSW: Believe there are on the downgrade list, at staffing levels. FPR: At staffing levels PIE: Downgrade list, at staffing TLH: Taking 5 next year, mostly looking at transfer though, poorly staffed with retirements upcoming. TMB: don't know anything there. TPA: Downgrade list, won't take new hires VRB: At staffing. Btw, I know a former classmate who graduated in May that has a TOL from ZMA but no academy date, so I'm not getting my hopes up for ZMA haha. Also, I've heard that DTS will be getting a tower in the next couple of years. Any truth to that? I would LOVE to work the Destin tower if/when they get one. |
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Been hearing rumors about a tower at DTS for several years now, believe it may be a contract gig if and when they build one.
Looked at those staffing levels, all the facilities are at or above with several developmentals. Might be able to sneak into SRQ or PNS since there a lot eligible to retire. |
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Wow. Was not expecting this much. Thanks a ton. Btw, I know a former classmate who graduated in May that has a TOL from ZMA but no academy date, so I'm not getting my hopes up for ZMA haha. Also, I've heard that DTS will be getting a tower in the next couple of years. Any truth to that? I would LOVE to work the Destin tower if/when they get one. I have a TOL for ZMA as well. I also have the advantage of currently working for Raytheon in the ZMA training department... Latest unconfirmed rumors are that ZMA went from getting 12 new hires for FY2012 to 24. If your classmate can find out his place in line from HR (I was able to get mine), he might have a better idea of when he might get that FOL/class date. |
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Quoted: Did you go CTI or were you picked up off a PUBNAT?Quoted: Wow. Was not expecting this much. Thanks a ton. Btw, I know a former classmate who graduated in May that has a TOL from ZMA but no academy date, so I'm not getting my hopes up for ZMA haha. Also, I've heard that DTS will be getting a tower in the next couple of years. Any truth to that? I would LOVE to work the Destin tower if/when they get one. I have a TOL for ZMA as well. I also have the advantage of currently working for Raytheon in the ZMA training department... Latest unconfirmed rumors are that ZMA went from getting 12 new hires for FY2012 to 24. If your classmate can find out his place in line from HR (I was able to get mine), he might have a better idea of when he might get that FOL/class date. |
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Wow. Was not expecting this much. Thanks a ton. Btw, I know a former classmate who graduated in May that has a TOL from ZMA but no academy date, so I'm not getting my hopes up for ZMA haha. Also, I've heard that DTS will be getting a tower in the next couple of years. Any truth to that? I would LOVE to work the Destin tower if/when they get one. I have a TOL for ZMA as well. I also have the advantage of currently working for Raytheon in the ZMA training department... Latest unconfirmed rumors are that ZMA went from getting 12 new hires for FY2012 to 24. If your classmate can find out his place in line from HR (I was able to get mine), he might have a better idea of when he might get that FOL/class date. Pubnat 8 OTS. I hit the proverbial lottery. |
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Wow. Was not expecting this much. Thanks a ton. Btw, I know a former classmate who graduated in May that has a TOL from ZMA but no academy date, so I'm not getting my hopes up for ZMA haha. Also, I've heard that DTS will be getting a tower in the next couple of years. Any truth to that? I would LOVE to work the Destin tower if/when they get one. I have a TOL for ZMA as well. I also have the advantage of currently working for Raytheon in the ZMA training department... Latest unconfirmed rumors are that ZMA went from getting 12 new hires for FY2012 to 24. If your classmate can find out his place in line from HR (I was able to get mine), he might have a better idea of when he might get that FOL/class date. Pubnat 8 OTS. I hit the proverbial lottery. The FAA hired 674 OTS (out of 1000 new hires overall) this past fiscal year. I know that doesn't sit overly well with a lot of CTIs. Anyway the FAA training and selection process was recently picked apart by an outside consultant, it will be interesting to see if they adopt any of the 50 recommended changes... |
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Wow. Was not expecting this much. Thanks a ton. Btw, I know a former classmate who graduated in May that has a TOL from ZMA but no academy date, so I'm not getting my hopes up for ZMA haha. Also, I've heard that DTS will be getting a tower in the next couple of years. Any truth to that? I would LOVE to work the Destin tower if/when they get one. I have a TOL for ZMA as well. I also have the advantage of currently working for Raytheon in the ZMA training department... Latest unconfirmed rumors are that ZMA went from getting 12 new hires for FY2012 to 24. If your classmate can find out his place in line from HR (I was able to get mine), he might have a better idea of when he might get that FOL/class date. Pubnat 8 OTS. I hit the proverbial lottery. The FAA hired 674 OTS (out of 1000 new hires overall) this past fiscal year. I know that doesn't sit overly well with a lot of CTIs. Anyway the FAA training and selection process was recently picked apart by an outside consultant, it will be interesting to see if they adopt any of the 50 recommended changes... A good number (not a majority, but a sizeable percentage) of the CTI students we get at the center are borderline useless. Near-zero aviation knowledge, and they have seemingly forgotten everything the academy taught them during their three day transit. Plus, probably 80-90% of CTI grads (Its a 2 year associates program at many colleges) are in their early twenties, and have never held a real job before. They tend to have a distinct sense of entitlement that, for example, the former airline pilots who we have trained don't have. People who have been in aviation previously have the double advantage of general familiarity, and an actual work ethic. That's just my take on it, from the proverbial trenches. As a disclaimer, the developmentals generally won't even acknowledge the existence of my coworkers and I, after they get out of radar school. Certified controllers think we're some kind of retards, and the Raytheon instructors (who are all retired controllers) treat us like we're either slaves, or children, depending on the instructor. Do you happen to have a link to the 50 changes you speak of? I'd be interested in reading that. |
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Believe me I have dealt with useless CTIs AND OTS hires, I've been OJTI for both types, it's all the individual. I went to ERAU when they didn't have OTS or even most 2-year CTI schools so there is a little resentment that the FAA changed the rules, but most people I know blame the FAA and not the people who took advantage of the opportunity. We've had 6 CTIs of which 2 were good and one is still training but has some ego issues and we've had 6 OTS of which one is OK and the rest washed or resigned. The 2-year CTIs at my initial tower cab class in OKC had little to no knowledge, I only really know ERAU and UND grads myself.
Can't comment on how raytheon employees get treated we only have one. He was a poor controller and is a useless contract employee. Nice guy though, he's heading out to Saipan for the contract tower at the end of the month. One of the changes recommended was to assign weights to each CTI program based on how much the school covers. As for the article itself, I'll try to dig it up tomorrow at work, it was on the FAA employee site. |
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Quoted: Believe me I have dealt with useless CTIs AND OTS hires, I've been OJTI for both types, it's all the individual. I went to ERAU when they didn't have OTS or even most 2-year CTI schools so there is a little resentment that the FAA changed the rules, but most people I know blame the FAA and not the people who took advantage of the opportunity. We've had 6 CTIs of which 2 were good and one is still training but has some ego issues and we've had 6 OTS of which one is OK and the rest washed or resigned. The 2-year CTIs at my initial tower cab class in OKC had little to no knowledge, I only really know ERAU and UND grads myself. Can't comment on how raytheon employees get treated we only have one. He was a poor controller and is a useless contract employee. Nice guy though, he's heading out to Saipan for the contract tower at the end of the month. One of the changes recommended was to assign weights to each CTI program based on how much the school covers. As for the article itself, I'll try to dig it up tomorrow at work, it was on the FAA employee site. I'm curious to see how my school (MGC) compares to others. |
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Believe me I have dealt with useless CTIs AND OTS hires, I've been OJTI for both types, it's all the individual. I went to ERAU when they didn't have OTS or even most 2-year CTI schools so there is a little resentment that the FAA changed the rules, but most people I know blame the FAA and not the people who took advantage of the opportunity. We've had 6 CTIs of which 2 were good and one is still training but has some ego issues and we've had 6 OTS of which one is OK and the rest washed or resigned. The 2-year CTIs at my initial tower cab class in OKC had little to no knowledge, I only really know ERAU and UND grads myself. Can't comment on how raytheon employees get treated we only have one. He was a poor controller and is a useless contract employee. Nice guy though, he's heading out to Saipan for the contract tower at the end of the month. One of the changes recommended was to assign weights to each CTI program based on how much the school covers. As for the article itself, I'll try to dig it up tomorrow at work, it was on the FAA employee site. Honestly, I think my perception of CTI students might be a little tilted. Pretty much all of our OTS hires have been in aviation prior to the FAA. A few airline pilots, a dispatcher, one of our former Raytheon RPO's, etc. We did have one guy, got preference because he was prior Fed... (TSA) It killed me to watch someone throw that opportunity away. He didn't even try. Just hung out as long as he could before they washed him. Incredibly frustrating.
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Did you go CTI or were you picked up off a PUBNAT?Quoted: Wow. Was not expecting this much. Thanks a ton. Btw, I know a former classmate who graduated in May that has a TOL from ZMA but no academy date, so I'm not getting my hopes up for ZMA haha. Also, I've heard that DTS will be getting a tower in the next couple of years. Any truth to that? I would LOVE to work the Destin tower if/when they get one. I have a TOL for ZMA as well. I also have the advantage of currently working for Raytheon in the ZMA training department... Latest unconfirmed rumors are that ZMA went from getting 12 new hires for FY2012 to 24. If your classmate can find out his place in line from HR (I was able to get mine), he might have a better idea of when he might get that FOL/class date. Pubnat 8 OTS. I hit the proverbial lottery. The FAA hired 674 OTS (out of 1000 new hires overall) this past fiscal year. I know that doesn't sit overly well with a lot of CTIs. Anyway the FAA training and selection process was recently picked apart by an outside consultant, it will be interesting to see if they adopt any of the 50 recommended changes... A good number (not a majority, but a sizeable percentage) of the CTI students we get at the center are borderline useless. Near-zero aviation knowledge, and they have seemingly forgotten everything the academy taught them during their three day transit. Plus, probably 80-90% of CTI grads (Its a 2 year associates program at many colleges) are in their early twenties, and have never held a real job before. They tend to have a distinct sense of entitlement that, for example, the former airline pilots who we have trained don't have. People who have been in aviation previously have the double advantage of general familiarity, and an actual work ethic. That's just my take on it, from the proverbial trenches. As a disclaimer, the developmentals generally won't even acknowledge the existence of my coworkers and I, after they get out of radar school. Certified controllers think we're some kind of retards, and the Raytheon instructors (who are all retired controllers) treat us like we're either slaves, or children, depending on the instructor. Do you happen to have a link to the 50 changes you speak of? I'd be interested in reading that. http://avstop.com/news_october_2011/faa_indep_review_atc.pdf |
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Quoted: Quoted: Got my AT-SAT results back, and I Scored a 94!  Congrats. I'm not sure what's all involved in that, I never had to take that particular test. In reality, I should have done better, but I will take it. The test involves dial reading, math problems, analogies, personality test, situational awareness game, and a "traffic" scenario. As far as the scores go, 70-84 is considered qualified, 85-100 is well qualified. |
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Got my AT-SAT results back, and I Scored a 94! Congrats! I've taken the test like three times now. they use you as a guinea pig at CAMI to refine it. I remember taking that ATSAT at CAMI for 'statistical purposes". Once I found out you can crash the airplanes in the traffic portion and it made a crash sound any hopes for a real assessment from me went out the window. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Got my AT-SAT results back, and I Scored a 94! Congrats! I've taken the test like three times now. they use you as a guinea pig at CAMI to refine it. I remember taking that ATSAT at CAMI for 'statistical purposes". Once I found out you can crash the airplanes in the traffic portion and it made a crash sound any hopes for a real assessment from me went out the window. I agree that it's a bogus test. The only thing it seems to be useful for is weeding out the real idiots. Otherwise, it seems kind of trivial to base your "worthiness" as a candidate for an ATC job on a test like this. Nonetheless, I'm just happy I got WQ.
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