[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Commando/ XM177 build (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 11/5/2011 10:15:50 PM EDT
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thinking hard about doing one. Not necessarily full all out Vietnam era retro build, but Commando style upper non the less. Anybody have one?
Plus I currently have no AR carbines anyway, so I figure one of these or an M4gery build will be in order eventually |
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For some reason the flashhider/muzzlebreak was an nfa item if I remember correctly. The ATF classified it as a suppressor.  http://www.model1sales.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=319 |
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I have one in a CA legal config. It has a 10.5 inch a2 profile barrel and the 5.5 inch flashhider. bit heavier than the lightweight carbine i had but i like it alright. just dont shoot it much really. its different, though, so I like it for that http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/sirbordsalot311/SAM1A011.jpg that's pretty much the set up I'm looking at, A2 upper and all |
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I didn't buy mine from here but I noticed it while looking for other stuff. I don't know if it's a good price or not but it's pretty much all there
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I didn't buy mine from here but I noticed it while looking for other stuff. I don't know if it's a good price or not but it's pretty much all there upper looked at Del-ton's and at the upper J&T has. I've delat with J&T before, so I might end up going that route |
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That is one fine looking gun, Ed! Much more of a good representation than my franken-commando |
I'm considering building the gun they used in Heat  .....no, the other one....the M733
I think it would be a fun build with an A1 upper. Would consider doing an authentic XM177 build but I don't know that I'd want to get two stamps for it....or if I could even find a moderator at a price that I'd be willing to pay. 
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I got mine in the early 90's. At the time I didn't know what I bought. I thought it was just another carbine until I found this web site. I quickly did the sbr paperwork and am legal.
The original m-16 upper receiver was worn out so I bought an A2 upper to replace it. You guys might hate what I did to it with the paint and all but that was before I knew what I had. 
before the paint 
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| I'm very partial to the XM177 style AR's as I had the real deal while I was in Vietnam, and it was an awesome little rifle. If you can build one and stay true to the style, I'll be very interested to see the pictures. An 11.5" barrel with a pinned 5.5" break will keep it legal without needing a NFA stamp. |
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I have one in a CA legal config. It has a 10.5 inch a2 profile barrel and the 5.5 inch flashhider. bit heavier than the lightweight carbine i had but i like it alright. just dont shoot it much really. its different, though, so I like it for that http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/sirbordsalot311/SAM1A011.jpg that's pretty much the set up I'm looking at, A2 upper and all Um you do realize that is a 15.5" barrel right? Not 16" so would still be an NFA SBR? You need an 11.5" with a 5.5" to get 16" as measured with a rod from the "Muzzle" to the BOLT FACE. Just putting that out there... |
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I have one in a CA legal config. It has a 10.5 inch a2 profile barrel and the 5.5 inch flashhider. bit heavier than the lightweight carbine i had but i like it alright. just dont shoot it much really. its different, though, so I like it for that http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/sirbordsalot311/SAM1A011.jpg that's pretty much the set up I'm looking at, A2 upper and all Um you do realize that is a 15.5" barrel right? Not 16" so would still be an NFA SBR? You need an 11.5" with a 5.5" to get 16" as measured with a rod from the "Muzzle" to the BOLT FACE. Just putting that out there... Thanks it's not NFA. I bought the thing 3 years ago and the specs are a full 16", so yes, it is a 11.5+5.5. I only remember that the hider is 5.5 so in my head, and when writing the description, I accidentaly stated it was 10.5. I've taken to the range and to the LEO range with LEO friends and I haven't ever had trouble. Appreciate a fellow arfcommer lookin out, though 
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I have one in a CA legal config. It has a 10.5 inch a2 profile barrel and the 5.5 inch flashhider. bit heavier than the lightweight carbine i had but i like it alright. just dont shoot it much really. its different, though, so I like it for that http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/sirbordsalot311/SAM1A011.jpg that's pretty much the set up I'm looking at, A2 upper and all Um you do realize that is a 15.5" barrel right? Not 16" so would still be an NFA SBR? You need an 11.5" with a 5.5" to get 16" as measured with a rod from the "Muzzle" to the BOLT FACE. Just putting that out there... Thanks it's not NFA. I bought the thing 3 years ago and the specs are a full 16", so yes, it is a 11.5+5.5. I only remember that the hider is 5.5 so in my head, and when writing the description, I accidentaly stated it was 10.5. I've taken to the range and to the LEO range with LEO friends and I haven't ever had trouble. Appreciate a fellow arfcommer lookin out, though 11.5+5.5=17 inches. Just sayin'. |
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That is sweet...........
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I have one in a CA legal config. It has a 10.5 inch a2 profile barrel and the 5.5 inch flashhider. bit heavier than the lightweight carbine i had but i like it alright. just dont shoot it much really. its different, though, so I like it for that http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/sirbordsalot311/SAM1A011.jpg that's pretty much the set up I'm looking at, A2 upper and all Um you do realize that is a 15.5" barrel right? Not 16" so would still be an NFA SBR? You need an 11.5" with a 5.5" to get 16" as measured with a rod from the "Muzzle" to the BOLT FACE. Just putting that out there... Thanks it's not NFA. I bought the thing 3 years ago and the specs are a full 16", so yes, it is a 11.5+5.5. I only remember that the hider is 5.5 so in my head, and when writing the description, I accidentaly stated it was 10.5. I've taken to the range and to the LEO range with LEO friends and I haven't ever had trouble. Appreciate a fellow arfcommer lookin out, though 11.5+5.5=17 inches. Just sayin'. Not necessarily a good measuring stick... most LE don't KNOW the law... Glad you are good to go! I'll post up a pic of mine when I get home. |
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That is very nice. ETA: Details? Barrel length Muzzle Device etc. |
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Quoted: http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv151/texas45/100_5306.jpg Just go factory Colt and be done with it. |
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Do it right with a lightweight barrel and A1 upper, or dont do it. You will just spend forever and lots of cash to correct it later, trust me. Having never done a commando clone, I just know this would be the case with me. I'm holding off as a back burner project until I get all the pieces together. |
I did mine with an A1 upper I found at a gun show and the J&T 11.5 inch barrel with pinned flash hider. It's really more of a GAU-5A/A replica, and it's not exact, but I am extremely happy with it. Because of the weight and size it's very different from my other ARs.
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We have a SENDRA Lower with what looks to be an original Colt XM177 upper on it in our shop safe. I need to pull it out and see exactly what the hell it is. I know it's a 10.5 with the long flash hider on it. This thread makes me want to build and oldie also!! Should be fairly easy to determine from the guys in the retro forum. Is it a real moderator? Is it on a form? 
ETA: Is the sendra for sale? |
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Quoted: I did mine with an A1 upper I found at a gun show and the J&T 11.5 inch barrel with pinned flash hider. It's really more of a GAU-5A/A replica, and it's not exact, but I am extremely happy with it. Because of the weight and size it's very different from my other ARs. http://www.pukindogspaintball.com/xtra/NDS-AR.jpg http://www.pukindogspaintball.com/xtra/NDS02-062811B.jpgS Sweet builds. Yeah the XM177 clones are silly light if you approximate a "correct" build, as you have done. They handle like nothing else IMHO. ETA - grind off your bayo lug and save another ounce |
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GAU-5/A/A Clone No I don't have a grenade ring and when I carried one it just had a Birdcage FH.
The Upper and Lower and CH all came from NODAK, the Hardware on the upper came from a CLOT SP1 Upper LPK is just a basic LPK... the Barrel is a Bushmaster Superlight cut to 12.5" with a 4.5" Bushmaster CAR hider permanently installed. I used a PREBAN configured barrel and did the cutting and threading myself. that way also the Sight tower won't have a Bayonet Lug... Eventually after I have a chance to do a few other things I will SBR it and have the GAU markings added. Day 1 
State of the art in 1995/1996 
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We have a SENDRA Lower with what looks to be an original Colt XM177 upper on it in our shop safe. I need to pull it out and see exactly what the hell it is. I know it's a 10.5 with the long flash hider on it. This thread makes me want to build and oldie also!! Should be fairly easy to determine from the guys in the retro forum. Is it a real moderator? Is it on a form?
ETA: Is the sendra for sale? It's not on a form, and we called the ATF to see what it's status was... Oddly, they were able to tell us where it was last purchased..  But said it was never registered as an NFA toy.
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That is very nice. ETA: Details? Barrel length Muzzle Device etc. Colt A1 upper Bushmaster Superlight barrel assembly, cut back to 11.5" Repro moderator and grenade ring, 4.5"; that one was made from a Bushmaster clone of one; I recently replaced it with one I picked up years ago from Total Silence INC (now out of business )...and I'll probably be replacing that shortly with one made by Brick)
The lower is an SBR lower...not totally correct for the build as it's an A2 lower, but it's all I got at the moment. In the works is registering a NoDak A1 lower as an SBR and sticking on a Colt surplus Aluminum stock assembly, so it's about as "correct" as you can get without an actual NFA moderator (which are illegal in my state  Otherwise I'd spring for one, just for authenticity...)
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This is my favorite gun: ETA: The moderator is just a flash hider but it has the look. I think the shorty triangle HGs are the tits.  Exactly how I want to do mine.
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I have one in a CA legal config. It has a 10.5 inch a2 profile barrel and the 5.5 inch flashhider. bit heavier than the lightweight carbine i had but i like it alright. just dont shoot it much really. its different, though, so I like it for that http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/sirbordsalot311/SAM1A011.jpg that's pretty much the set up I'm looking at, A2 upper and all Um you do realize that is a 15.5" barrel right? Not 16" so would still be an NFA SBR? You need an 11.5" with a 5.5" to get 16" as measured with a rod from the "Muzzle" to the BOLT FACE. Just putting that out there... Thanks it's not NFA. I bought the thing 3 years ago and the specs are a full 16", so yes, it is a 11.5+5.5. I only remember that the hider is 5.5 so in my head, and when writing the description, I accidentaly stated it was 10.5. I've taken to the range and to the LEO range with LEO friends and I haven't ever had trouble. Appreciate a fellow arfcommer lookin out, though 11.5+5.5=17 inches. Just sayin'. Not necessarily a good measuring stick... most LE don't KNOW the law... Glad you are good to go! I'll post up a pic of mine when I get home. it's 11.5 + 5.5 - 1 as the threads are about an inch long, if I remember right? So yes - if you simply placed the flash hider on the barrel without screwing it down, it would be 17". However, once you screw it down to the shoulder, it's 16 + a hair. I had the same argument with a guy from Bushmaster in 2001, when I sent an upper in to be rebarreled as whomever had the upper before me really botched it up 
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http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv151/texas45/100_5306.jpg Just go factory Colt and be done with it. For sure. And then put the finest weapon light you can find on it. Maybe find a mount to get that EOTech out front of the front sight base too! |
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thinking hard about doing one. Not necessarily full all out Vietnam era retro build, but Commando style upper non the less. Anybody have one? Plus I currently have no AR carbines anyway, so I figure one of these or an M4gery build will be in order eventually I see one in my future, once I gather all the parts.
I've wanted one ever since the first time I was posted as the vehicle searcher at the ECP for the WSA at Castle AFB, and they issued me a GAU, way back summer of 1984.
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Quoted: I am planning on building an XM607 like this.... http://pullig.dyndns.org/retroblackrifle/sitebuilder/images/607-3-sm-739x236.jpg If you can find that stock it wont be cheap, I bet. |
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I am planning on building an XM607 like this....
http://pullig.dyndns.org/retroblackrifle/sitebuilder/images/607-3-sm-739x236.jpg If you can find that stock it wont be cheap, I bet. They make quality repo's at about $450. Not cheap, but availible. |
