[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Catholic guide to voting (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 8/11/2016 10:11:17 AM EDT
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Synopsis? Normally you would be one heck of a retarded Catholic to vote for Hillary. I mean I myself don't believe in anything but Hillary stands against just about everything I think the Catholic Church stands for.....in these times however you never know Conservative Catholic voting guide? Abortion. That's pretty much it. |
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I followed the links and was like <a href="http://s438.photobucket.com/user/delemorte/media/nbdoqighqbd5yuc1eqvo_zpseqcistyq.gif.html" target="_blank">http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq108/delemorte/nbdoqighqbd5yuc1eqvo_zpseqcistyq.gif</a> Mind telling me who the Catholics are pulling for? One of my favorite blogger priests, Father Longenecker, put it this way basically. Can a Catholic vote for Trump? Maybe. Can a Catholic vote for Hillary? No. |
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Quoted: Human life is paramount. Therefore, no Catholic should be voting for Hillary. That is also why the Catholic church urges people to vote for gun control even when it comes to self defense. When Michigan was passing their Shall Issue concealed carry law the Catholic church was working with the anti-gunners to get a ballot measure put in place that would have nullified the law. The Catholic church was collecting signatures for the petition to get anti-CCW ballot measure passed. |
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Former Roman Catholic here. I find it fascinating that Catholics are expected to do whatever the Church tells them to do, in all aspects of their lives. There's another religion that calls that sort of thing "Submission"... Why is this fascinating? Religion is voluntary. If you don't like what the Church teaches then the door is pretty easy to find. Evidently you found it. |
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That is also why the Catholic church urges people to vote for gun control even when it comes to self defense. When Michigan was passing their Shall Issue concealed carry law the Catholic church was working with the anti-gunners to get a ballot measure put in place that would have nullified the law. The Catholic church was collecting signatures for the petition to get anti-CCW ballot measure passed. Quoted:
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Human life is paramount. Therefore, no Catholic should be voting for Hillary. That is also why the Catholic church urges people to vote for gun control even when it comes to self defense. When Michigan was passing their Shall Issue concealed carry law the Catholic church was working with the anti-gunners to get a ballot measure put in place that would have nullified the law. The Catholic church was collecting signatures for the petition to get anti-CCW ballot measure passed. The actions of some individuals don't represent the teachings of the Church. From the Catholic Catechism (under Repect for Human Life): 2264 Love toward oneself remains a fundamental principle of morality. Therefore it is legitimate to insist on respect for one’s own right to life. Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow: (2196)
... 2265 Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for one who is responsible for the lives of others. The defense of the common good requires that an unjust aggressor be rendered unable to cause harm. |
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Quoted: The actions of some individuals don't represent the teachings of the Church. From the Catholic Catechism (under Repect for Human Life): Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Human life is paramount. Therefore, no Catholic should be voting for Hillary. That is also why the Catholic church urges people to vote for gun control even when it comes to self defense. When Michigan was passing their Shall Issue concealed carry law the Catholic church was working with the anti-gunners to get a ballot measure put in place that would have nullified the law. The Catholic church was collecting signatures for the petition to get anti-CCW ballot measure passed. The actions of some individuals don't represent the teachings of the Church. From the Catholic Catechism (under Repect for Human Life): 2264 Love toward oneself remains a fundamental principle of morality. Therefore it is legitimate to insist on respect for one’s own right to life. Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow: (2196) ... 2265 Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for one who is responsible for the lives of others. The defense of the common good requires that an unjust aggressor be rendered unable to cause harm. "As bishops, we support measures that control the sale and use of firearms and make them safer (especially efforts that prevent their unsupervised use by children or anyone other than the owner), and reiterate our call for sensible regulation of handguns.” Responsibility, Rehabilitation and Restoration, U.S. Catholic Bishops, 2000 Rationale for Church Involvement The basis for Church involvement in supporting referendum efforts on this issue must reside in the respect life ethic of Catholic social teaching. The cost of violent crime to human life is enormous. The possibility of an increased presence of handguns in our communities can only lead to potential for more incidences of violence and death. Handguns are the instruments most often used for violence in our society because they are relatively simple to use and can be concealed. While opposing the liberalization of the CCW law does not necessarily address the multiple forces that contribute to violence in our culture, it does send a powerful message that the Church recognizes the inherent dangers that an increase in the number of guns in our society poses. In this sense, the Church puts the universal demands of social order, human safety and the common good ahead of the individual right to private property. The freedom to possess and use handguns must give way to the rights of all people to safety and protection against those who wrongly use these weapons. While there is no simple solution or single root cause to our culture of violence, Catholics are on solid ground when we observe that our response to violence is first and foremost a spiritual issue. All citizens are called to prevent and reduce violence. As Catholics, we have a moral obligation to respond to violence as a test of our faith. That also isn't just a one time occurrence. It continues to happen. https://cruxnow.com/church/2016/01/06/us-bishops-throw-support-to-obamas-gun-control-proposal/ Catholic bishops gave a shot in the arm to President Barack Obama’s announcement yesterday that his administration will require all gun sellers to register as dealers and complete background checks on all buyers. "Thank God that someone finally has the courage to close the loopholes in our pitiful gun control "Thank God that someone finally has the courage to close the loopholes in our pitiful gun control laws to reduce the number of mass shootings, suicides and killings that have become a plague in our country,” Dallas Bishop Kevin Farrell wrote. The head of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops’ committee on domestic justice joined Farrell in offering support Wednesday. October op-ed from Chicago’s Archbishop Blase Cupich, in which he called for greater gun control. "It is time to heed the words of Pope Francis and take meaningful and swift action to address violence in our society. We must band together to call for gun-control legislation,” Cupich wrote. Even the pope seems to be on board. "Why are deadly weapons being sold to those who plan to inflict untold suffering on individuals and society? Sadly, the answer, as we all know, is simply for money: money that is drenched in blood, often innocent blood,” Francis said in a September speech to the US Congress. "In the face of this shameful and culpable silence, it is our duty to confront the problem and to stop the arms trade.” |
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I read it, I'm confused. It's in English. Aren't they mostly Mexican illegals at this point? I mean, I grew up in an Irish parish many years ago. A couple of years ago I went to the local RC church for St. Paddy's day celebration. They had beer, and I brought my fiddle. It was a sea of Mexicans. Even the priests. |
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Haha...Catholics. Liberal on all things...except abortion. And they go to the fucking wall on that one. Piss away freedoms to Democrats who will NEVER support that one thing that drives Catholics CRAZY...abortion. Some Catholics are Leftists, certainly, but they hold many positions contrary to the teachings of the Faith in doing so. It's a problem that has plagued many religious bodies over the last century. Traditional Catholics, those that actually adhere fairly strictly to church teachings and Christian orthodoxy tend to be on the Right. Some dioceses or groups of clergy in the U.S. are among the most Leftist and thus deviant ones in the Catholic world. This is actually a struggle within the Church; we were winning under Benedict, but now are losing or at least not advancing much under Francis. My parish's diocese has periodically engaged in assaults on our more traditional ways; the Bishop is on a number of issues more on the Left/liberal side of the equation. Also, the liberal types you decry often have no problem with abortion, despite Church teachings to the contrary. They're the "Catholics" who want Francis to soften Church teachings. |
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You can try to play it off that way and defend the anti-gun Catholic Church but unless you saying Bishops don't represent the teachings of the church then you would be wrong. The entire province on Detroit, which includes the entire state of Michigan and all the Bishops, signed on board to fight the concealed carry law. Are you really saying that the entire structure of the Catholic Church across all of Michigan "doesn't represent the teachings of the Church"? Because I'm pretty sure you just tried to dismiss my argument by saying that. Quoted:
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Human life is paramount. Therefore, no Catholic should be voting for Hillary. That is also why the Catholic church urges people to vote for gun control even when it comes to self defense. When Michigan was passing their Shall Issue concealed carry law the Catholic church was working with the anti-gunners to get a ballot measure put in place that would have nullified the law. The Catholic church was collecting signatures for the petition to get anti-CCW ballot measure passed. The actions of some individuals don't represent the teachings of the Church. From the Catholic Catechism (under Repect for Human Life): 2264 Love toward oneself remains a fundamental principle of morality. Therefore it is legitimate to insist on respect for one’s own right to life. Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow: (2196)
... 2265 Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for one who is responsible for the lives of others. The defense of the common good requires that an unjust aggressor be rendered unable to cause harm. You can try to play it off that way and defend the anti-gun Catholic Church but unless you saying Bishops don't represent the teachings of the church then you would be wrong. The entire province on Detroit, which includes the entire state of Michigan and all the Bishops, signed on board to fight the concealed carry law. Are you really saying that the entire structure of the Catholic Church across all of Michigan "doesn't represent the teachings of the Church"? Because I'm pretty sure you just tried to dismiss my argument by saying that. You're the one in the wrong. But then you're one of the most ardent Trump supporters here, so that kind of goes with the territory. Yes, there are whole dioceses that have a Leftist leadership, and yes, contrary to what you state, their efforts are contrary to Church teachings. There are serious problems with American clergy right now, but it is the more conservative orders that are the ones getting young men to become priests these days, while the more liberal ones are tending to grow older and older and may die out in the future (a few such orders are pretty much done for). It's the clergy in Africa that's been leading the charge to restore the Church, to keep it from straying down the path to evil. They've been going abroad, too. We've been getting them in my area, and they present a major contrast to the American priests they serve alongside. Heck, one of the priests at my old parish was openly engaging in blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. The idea that that sort of behavior is part of the Church doctrine or practices just because some people do it is simply wrong. |
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I followed the links and was like <a href="http://s438.photobucket.com/user/delemorte/media/nbdoqighqbd5yuc1eqvo_zpseqcistyq.gif.html" target="_blank">http://i438.photobucket.com/albums/qq108/delemorte/nbdoqighqbd5yuc1eqvo_zpseqcistyq.gif</a> Mind telling me who the Catholics are pulling for? TLDR Cliff's Notes: Don't vote for Hillary Clinton The document is also updated to take account of recent developments in the United States in both domestic and foreign policy: The ongoing destruction of over one million innocent human lives each year by abortion Physician-assisted suicide The redefinition of marriage—the vital cell of society—by the courts, political bodies, and increasingly by American culture itself The excessive consumption of material goods and the destruction of natural resources, which harm both the environment and the poor The deadly attacks on fellow Christians and religious minorities throughout the world The narrowing redefinition of religious freedom, which threatens both individual conscience and the freedom of the Church to serve Economic policies that fail to prioritize the poor, at home or abroad; A broken immigration system and a worldwide refugee crisis Wars, terror, and violence that threaten every aspect of human life and dignity Points 1, 2, 3 and 6 would tell you not to vote for the Democratic candidate, in my opinion. Correct me if I'm off. |
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Former Roman Catholic here. I find it fascinating that Catholics are expected to do whatever the Church tells them to do, in all aspects of their lives. There's another religion that calls that sort of thing "Submission"... I was raised catholic, I know a lot of Catholics, my daughter is going to a catholic school now so I am somewhat involved with a catholic church again. I don't know of any Catholics that would take 5 minutes to scroll through that. They don't care what the pope or bishops send out. They live here, they work here, they vote based on local, state and national issues based on what they believe is best for them and their city, state, country. And I believe they lead their lives based on their own conscience. I don't think the pope or bishops have much if any influence on the vast majority. |
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You can try to play it off that way and defend the anti-gun Catholic Church but unless you saying Bishops don't represent the teachings of the church then you would be wrong. The entire province on Detroit, which includes the entire state of Michigan and all the Bishops, signed on board to fight the concealed carry law. Are you really saying that the entire structure of the Catholic Church across all of Michigan "doesn't represent the teachings of the Church"? Because I'm pretty sure you just tried to dismiss my argument by saying that. https://www.micatholic.org/assets/files/focus/focus_20010101-ConcealedWeaponLaw.pdf them safer (especially efforts that prevent their unsupervised use by children or anyone other than the owner), and reiterate our call for sensible regulation of handguns.” Responsibility, Rehabilitation and Restoration, U.S. Catholic Bishops, 2000 Rationale for Church Involvement The basis for Church involvement in supporting referendum efforts on this issue must reside in therespect life ethic of Catholic social teaching. The cost of violent crime to human life is enormous. Thepossibility of an increased presence of handguns in our communities can only lead to potential for moreincidences of violence and death. Handguns are the instruments most often used for violence in our society because they are relativelysimple to use and can be concealed. While opposing the liberalization of the CCW law does not necessarilyaddress the multiple forces that contribute to violence in our culture, it does send a powerful messagethat the Church recognizes the inherent dangers that an increase in the number of guns in our society poses. In this sense, the Church puts the universal demands of social order, human safety and the common goodahead of the individual right to private property. The freedom to possess and use handguns must give way to the rights of all people to safety andprotection against those who wrongly use these weapons. While there is no simple solution or single rootcause to our culture of violence, Catholics are on solid ground when we observe that our response toviolence is first and foremost a spiritual issue. All citizens are called to prevent and reduce violence. AsCatholics, we have a moral obligation to respond to violence as a test of our faith. That also isn't just a one time occurrence. It continues to happen. https://cruxnow.com/church/2016/01/06/us-bishops-throw-support-to-obamas-gun-control-proposal/ Catholic bishops gave a shot in the arm to President Barack Obama’s announcement yesterday that his administration will require all gun sellers to register as dealers and complete background checks on all buyers. "Thank God that someone finally has the courage to close the loopholes in our pitiful gun control "Thank God that someone finally has the courage to close the loopholes in our pitiful gun control laws to reduce the number of mass shootings, suicides and killings that have become a plague in our country,” Dallas Bishop Kevin Farrell wrote. The head of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops’ committee on domestic justice joined Farrell in offering support Wednesday. October op-ed from Chicago’s Archbishop Blase Cupich, in which he called for greater gun control. "It is time to heed the words of Pope Francis and take meaningful and swift action to address violence in our society. We must band together to call for gun-control legislation,” Cupich wrote. Even the pope seems to be on board. "Why are deadly weapons being sold to those who plan to inflict untold suffering on individuals and society? Sadly, the answer, as we all know, is simply for money: money that is drenched in blood, often innocent blood,” Francis said in a September speech to the US Congress. "In the face of this shameful and culpable silence, it is our duty to confront the problem and to stop the arms trade.” Quoted:
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Human life is paramount. Therefore, no Catholic should be voting for Hillary. That is also why the Catholic church urges people to vote for gun control even when it comes to self defense. When Michigan was passing their Shall Issue concealed carry law the Catholic church was working with the anti-gunners to get a ballot measure put in place that would have nullified the law. The Catholic church was collecting signatures for the petition to get anti-CCW ballot measure passed. The actions of some individuals don't represent the teachings of the Church. From the Catholic Catechism (under Repect for Human Life): 2264 Love toward oneself remains a fundamental principle of morality. Therefore it is legitimate to insist on respect for one’s own right to life. Someone who defends his life is not guilty of murder even if he is forced to deal his aggressor a lethal blow: (2196)
... 2265 Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for one who is responsible for the lives of others. The defense of the common good requires that an unjust aggressor be rendered unable to cause harm. You can try to play it off that way and defend the anti-gun Catholic Church but unless you saying Bishops don't represent the teachings of the church then you would be wrong. The entire province on Detroit, which includes the entire state of Michigan and all the Bishops, signed on board to fight the concealed carry law. Are you really saying that the entire structure of the Catholic Church across all of Michigan "doesn't represent the teachings of the Church"? Because I'm pretty sure you just tried to dismiss my argument by saying that. https://www.micatholic.org/assets/files/focus/focus_20010101-ConcealedWeaponLaw.pdf them safer (especially efforts that prevent their unsupervised use by children or anyone other than the owner), and reiterate our call for sensible regulation of handguns.” Responsibility, Rehabilitation and Restoration, U.S. Catholic Bishops, 2000 Rationale for Church Involvement The basis for Church involvement in supporting referendum efforts on this issue must reside in therespect life ethic of Catholic social teaching. The cost of violent crime to human life is enormous. Thepossibility of an increased presence of handguns in our communities can only lead to potential for moreincidences of violence and death. Handguns are the instruments most often used for violence in our society because they are relativelysimple to use and can be concealed. While opposing the liberalization of the CCW law does not necessarilyaddress the multiple forces that contribute to violence in our culture, it does send a powerful messagethat the Church recognizes the inherent dangers that an increase in the number of guns in our society poses. In this sense, the Church puts the universal demands of social order, human safety and the common goodahead of the individual right to private property. The freedom to possess and use handguns must give way to the rights of all people to safety andprotection against those who wrongly use these weapons. While there is no simple solution or single rootcause to our culture of violence, Catholics are on solid ground when we observe that our response toviolence is first and foremost a spiritual issue. All citizens are called to prevent and reduce violence. AsCatholics, we have a moral obligation to respond to violence as a test of our faith. That also isn't just a one time occurrence. It continues to happen. https://cruxnow.com/church/2016/01/06/us-bishops-throw-support-to-obamas-gun-control-proposal/ Catholic bishops gave a shot in the arm to President Barack Obama’s announcement yesterday that his administration will require all gun sellers to register as dealers and complete background checks on all buyers. "Thank God that someone finally has the courage to close the loopholes in our pitiful gun control "Thank God that someone finally has the courage to close the loopholes in our pitiful gun control laws to reduce the number of mass shootings, suicides and killings that have become a plague in our country,” Dallas Bishop Kevin Farrell wrote. The head of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops’ committee on domestic justice joined Farrell in offering support Wednesday. October op-ed from Chicago’s Archbishop Blase Cupich, in which he called for greater gun control. "It is time to heed the words of Pope Francis and take meaningful and swift action to address violence in our society. We must band together to call for gun-control legislation,” Cupich wrote. Even the pope seems to be on board. "Why are deadly weapons being sold to those who plan to inflict untold suffering on individuals and society? Sadly, the answer, as we all know, is simply for money: money that is drenched in blood, often innocent blood,” Francis said in a September speech to the US Congress. "In the face of this shameful and culpable silence, it is our duty to confront the problem and to stop the arms trade.” Just the same way that the myriad of politicians who ignore the Constitution can be said not to represent the country, likewise the myriad of clergy who ignore the Chatecism cannot be said to represent the Church. The US is full of apostate leftist clergy thanks to Vatican II. |
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http://aleteia.org/blogs/deacon-greg-kandra/bishops-release-latest-version-of-forming-consciences-for-faithful-citizenship-catholic-guide-to-fall-election/?utm_campaign=english_page&utm_medium=aleteia_en&utm_source=Facebook#link_time=1470859860 Hoping you will send it to your Catholic friends. Good, except for the immigration nonsense. Rule of law is important, and support of illegal immigration is contrary to rule of law. ETA: Screw that gun control BS. Bloody Roman rite crap. |
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Former Roman Catholic here. I find it fascinating that Catholics are expected to do whatever the Church tells them to do, in all aspects of their lives. There's another religion that calls that sort of thing "Submission"... You almost have to laugh when a money hungry organization tells you which power hungry organization to vote for. Wait, did I get that backwards? |
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Human life is paramount. Therefore, no Catholic should be voting for Hillary. See page four for the other major items. Quoted:
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Synopsis? Human life is paramount. Therefore, no Catholic should be voting for Hillary. See page four for the other major items. Third Post Nails It |
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Former Roman Catholic here. I find it fascinating that Catholics are expected to do whatever the Church tells them to do, in all aspects of their lives. There's another religion that calls that sort of thing "Submission"... You weren't a very good Catholic. Please, don't push your failed misunderstanding of dogma as correct. |
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Quoted: You're the one in the wrong. But then you're one of the most ardent Trump supporters here, so that kind of goes with the territory. Yes, there are whole dioceses that have a Leftist leadership, and yes, contrary to what you state, their efforts are contrary to Church teachings. There are serious problems with American clergy right now, but it is the more conservative orders that are the ones getting young men to become priests these days, while the more liberal ones are tending to grow older and older and may die out in the future (a few such orders are pretty much done for). It's the clergy in Africa that's been leading the charge to restore the Church, to keep it from straying down the path to evil. They've been going abroad, too. We've been getting them in my area, and they present a major contrast to the American priests they serve alongside. Heck, one of the priests at my old parish was openly engaging in blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. The idea that that sort of behavior is part of the Church doctrine or practices just because some people do it is simply wrong. Quoted: Quoted: You're the one in the wrong. But then you're one of the most ardent Trump supporters here, so that kind of goes with the territory. Yes, there are whole dioceses that have a Leftist leadership, and yes, contrary to what you state, their efforts are contrary to Church teachings. There are serious problems with American clergy right now, but it is the more conservative orders that are the ones getting young men to become priests these days, while the more liberal ones are tending to grow older and older and may die out in the future (a few such orders are pretty much done for). It's the clergy in Africa that's been leading the charge to restore the Church, to keep it from straying down the path to evil. They've been going abroad, too. We've been getting them in my area, and they present a major contrast to the American priests they serve alongside. Heck, one of the priests at my old parish was openly engaging in blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. The idea that that sort of behavior is part of the Church doctrine or practices just because some people do it is simply wrong. For the last 16 years there has always been someone who has claimed that I'm wrong every time I posted solid evidence that shows wide spread anti-gun rhetoric coming from the Catholic Church. There are 32 Latin Church provinces and I just posted the anti-gun statements from 4 of them, plus a state from the Pope saying the sale of guns must be stopped. I noticed you deleted all the comments from all the Bishops and the Pope, as if they don't count. Have you ever though that maybe your dioceses is the one that isn't following the teachings of the church by not advocating for gun control? It seems everyone other one is. A memo sent to every pastor in the state by the Conference director, Sister Sharon Park OP, on behalf of the bishops of the state of Washington, said that "… As a Church deeply committed to upholding the value of human life, we oppose forces which threaten it. One of these factors is the easy availability of handguns. Reducing the number of handguns is one of the ways to do something about violence, and particularly to protect our children,” Bishop Kevin Farrell of Dallas criticized what he called congressional kowtowing to the "gun lobby,” praising President Barack Obama’s efforts to promote gun control and ripping the "cowboy mentality” that allows open carry laws like one that just went into effect in Texas. How is the statement from the 2000 US Bishops Conference not relevant here? That is a conference for all Bishops across the entire country and they wrote a book called "Responsibility, Rehabilitation and Restoration: A Catholic Perspective on Crime and Criminal Justice". In that book they said "As bishops, we support measures that control the sale and use of firearms ". The part often missed is footnote 36 which relates to that statement and says: However, we believe that in the long run and with few exceptions (i.e. police officers, military use), handguns should be eliminated from our society. "Furthermore, the widespread use of handguns and automatic weapons in connection with drug commerce reinforces our repeated 'call for effective and courageous action to control handguns, leading to their eventual elimination from our society.'" U.S. Catholic Bishops, New Slavery, New Freedom: A Pastoral Message on Substance Abuse United States Catholic Conference 1990 https://books.google.com/books?id=MSYYw9xXUQIC&pg=PA69&lpg=PA69&dq=%22handguns+should+be+eliminated+from+our+society%22&source=bl&ots=mrOInOlDiB&sig=px1hZ2YdBFW7hJIhIE01M5pl4-M&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjMwNXI5brOAhVDTCYKHcjMDdIQ6AEIPTAF#v=onepage&q=%22handguns%20should%20be%20eliminated%20from%20our%20society%22&f=false So since the 1990 the Catholic Bishops at the nation wide conferences have been publishing books as a statement of the US Catholic Bishops demanding that handguns be eliminated from society. How about this. You show me where the US Bishops as a group have repeatedly said "the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". Clearly since I'm wrong, you have mountains of proof to back up your claim. I've given you a mountain of evidence showing how you are wrong or misinformed. Let's see your evidence that says the Catholic Church is pro-gun. |
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Haha...Catholics. Liberal on all things...except abortion. And they go to the fucking wall on that one. Piss away freedoms to Democrats who will NEVER support that one thing that drives Catholics CRAZY...abortion. I think you are way overstating your case. Catholics are not a hegemenous voting block in any way, shape or form. Plenty of conservative Catholics out there, Prods don't have the market cornered on conservatism. LC |
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Former Roman Catholic here. I find it fascinating that Catholics are expected to do whatever the Church tells them to do, in all aspects of their lives. There's another religion that calls that sort of thing "Submission"... Seriously, you're going to compare Catholicism to Islam? You need to lay off the drugs, man. LC |
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I'm confused. I learned my dogma at the hands of a bunch of dried up old nuns. If I questioned ANY aspect of what the Church told us to do, they went upside my head with a yardstick. Quoted:
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Former Roman Catholic here. I find it fascinating that Catholics are expected to do whatever the Church tells them to do, in all aspects of their lives. There's another religion that calls that sort of thing "Submission"... You weren't a very good Catholic. Please, don't push your failed misunderstanding of dogma as correct. Well, I'd bet it was for things other than questioning dogma. You were probably just an asshole. LC |
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Quoted: Well, I'd bet it was for things other than questioning dogma. You were probably just an asshole. LC Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Former Roman Catholic here. I find it fascinating that Catholics are expected to do whatever the Church tells them to do, in all aspects of their lives. There's another religion that calls that sort of thing "Submission"... You weren't a very good Catholic. Please, don't push your failed misunderstanding of dogma as correct. Well, I'd bet it was for things other than questioning dogma. You were probably just an asshole. LC |
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Former Roman Catholic here. I find it fascinating that Catholics are expected to do whatever the Church tells them to do, in all aspects of their lives. There's another religion that calls that sort of thing "Submission"... You weren't a very good Catholic. Please, don't push your failed misunderstanding of dogma as correct. Well, I'd bet it was for things other than questioning dogma. You were probably just an asshole. LC I doubt it. LC |
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I think you are way overstating your case. Catholics are not a hegemenous voting block in any way, shape or form. Plenty of conservative Catholics out there, Prods don't have the market cornered on conservatism. LC Quoted:
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Haha...Catholics. Liberal on all things...except abortion. And they go to the fucking wall on that one. Piss away freedoms to Democrats who will NEVER support that one thing that drives Catholics CRAZY...abortion. I think you are way overstating your case. Catholics are not a hegemenous voting block in any way, shape or form. Plenty of conservative Catholics out there, Prods don't have the market cornered on conservatism. LC Including the black protestant churches?? So unified with white churches of the same denominations?? Yeah not so much. |
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I was raised catholic, I know a lot of Catholics, my daughter is going to a catholic school now so I am somewhat involved with a catholic church again. I don't know of any Catholics that would take 5 minutes to scroll through that. They don't care what the pope or bishops send out. They live here, they work here, they vote based on local, state and national issues based on what they believe is best for them and their city, state, country. And I believe they lead their lives based on their own conscience. I don't think the pope or bishops have much if any influence on the vast majority. Reminds me of my grandparents on my dad's side. God rest their souls, they marched in lockstep to what "The Church (R)" told them to. Vote D! Even if they are pro-abortion, assisted-suicide promoting atheists! Many interesting conversations during Slick Willys presidency: they could NOT be convinced otherwise, after all, it's what "The Church" wants it's parishioners to do! |
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Former Roman Catholic here. I find it fascinating that Catholics are expected to do whatever the Church tells them to do, in all aspects of their lives. There's another religion that calls that sort of thing "Submission"... Kinda like those pesky unions |
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Human life is paramount. Therefore, no Catholic should be voting for Hillary. See page four for the other major items. Quoted:
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Synopsis? Human life is paramount. Therefore, no Catholic should be voting for Hillary. See page four for the other major items. Holy shit you actually read the whole thing. LMAO. Get a hobby. |
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Synopsis? Human life is paramount. Therefore, no Catholic should be voting for Hillary. See page four for the other major items. Holy shit you actually read the whole thing. LMAO. Get a hobby. 
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I know a bunch of catholics who are voting Hillary. They really believe obama was stopped by racists. Hillary will be able to "...get it right this time..." They are all but dead to me. And here in heavily Catholic South Louisiana, I can't find anyone that I know of who is voting for Hillary. LA has gone Republican for a long time now, especially the Catholics here. I'll say it again. Catholics are not a monolithic voting block as it pertains to the so-called "instructions" from the Church. LC |