[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Captain Phillips (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/18/2014 2:48:59 PM EDT
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Another movie/scenario that would have been over in 5 minutes, if only they had a couple rifles.
I still think it was a good movie (but way off course of what really happened, from what I'm hearing). Also, the pirates, who are apparently all friends in real life, were great, and had pretty much no acting experience. I was surprised at hearing that, after watching the movie. Side note; would the US government really put that much manpower and effort into saving 1 commercial ship captain? Seemed overboard. |
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Quoted: Another movie/scenario that would have been over in 5 minutes, if only they had a couple rifles. I still think it was a good movie (but way off course of what really happened, from what I'm hearing). Also, the pirates, who are apparently all friends in real life, were great, and had pretty much no acting experience. I was surprised at hearing that, after watching the movie. Side note; would the US government really put that much manpower and effort into saving 1 commercial ship captain? Seemed overboard. Sends a not so subtle message |
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Another movie/scenario that would have been over in 5 minutes, if only they had a couple rifles. I still think it was a good movie (but way off course of what really happened, from what I'm hearing). Also, the pirates, who are apparently all friends in real life, were great, and had pretty much no acting experience. I was surprised at hearing that, after watching the movie. Side note; would the US government really put that much manpower and effort into saving 1 commercial ship captain? Seemed overboard. Movie output from Hollywood would decline by 87% if people had at least one gun and knew how to use it. 
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Movie output from Hollywood would decline by 87% if people had at least one gun and knew how to use it. Quoted:
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Another movie/scenario that would have been over in 5 minutes, if only they had a couple rifles. I still think it was a good movie (but way off course of what really happened, from what I'm hearing). Also, the pirates, who are apparently all friends in real life, were great, and had pretty much no acting experience. I was surprised at hearing that, after watching the movie. Side note; would the US government really put that much manpower and effort into saving 1 commercial ship captain? Seemed overboard. Movie output from Hollywood would decline by 87% if people had at least one gun and knew how to use it. I know. I just can't help myself with movies like this, though. All I can think about is how much easier it would be if they had guns. Here is the movie "Captain Phillips...........with guns". It's under 3 minutes. 
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Another movie/scenario that would have been over in 5 minutes, if only they had a couple rifles. I still think it was a good movie (but way off course of what really happened, from what I'm hearing). Also, the pirates, who are apparently all friends in real life, were great, and had pretty much no acting experience. I was surprised at hearing that, after watching the movie. Side note; would the US government really put that much manpower and effort into saving 1 commercial ship captain? Seemed overboard. nope...... never and if it were as easy as "add rifles" they'd do it already. 
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nope...... never and if it were as easy as "add rifles" they'd do it already. Quoted:
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Another movie/scenario that would have been over in 5 minutes, if only they had a couple rifles. I still think it was a good movie (but way off course of what really happened, from what I'm hearing). Also, the pirates, who are apparently all friends in real life, were great, and had pretty much no acting experience. I was surprised at hearing that, after watching the movie. Side note; would the US government really put that much manpower and effort into saving 1 commercial ship captain? Seemed overboard. nope...... never and if it were as easy as "add rifles" they'd do it already. Go on. Why isn't it that easy? |
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Another movie/scenario that would have been over in 5 minutes, if only they had a couple rifles. I still think it was a good movie (but way off course of what really happened, from what I'm hearing). Also, the pirates, who are apparently all friends in real life, were great, and had pretty much no acting experience. I was surprised at hearing that, after watching the movie. Side note; would the US government really put that much manpower and effort into saving 1 commercial ship captain? Seemed overboard. nope...... never and if it were as easy as "add rifles" they'd do it already. Go on. Why isn't it that easy? Laws. |
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I know. I just can't help myself with movies like this, though. All I can think about is how much easier it would be if they had guns. Here is the movie "Captain Phillips...........with guns". It's under 3 minutes.
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Another movie/scenario that would have been over in 5 minutes, if only they had a couple rifles. I still think it was a good movie (but way off course of what really happened, from what I'm hearing). Also, the pirates, who are apparently all friends in real life, were great, and had pretty much no acting experience. I was surprised at hearing that, after watching the movie. Side note; would the US government really put that much manpower and effort into saving 1 commercial ship captain? Seemed overboard. Movie output from Hollywood would decline by 87% if people had at least one gun and knew how to use it. I know. I just can't help myself with movies like this, though. All I can think about is how much easier it would be if they had guns. Here is the movie "Captain Phillips...........with guns". It's under 3 minutes.
http://youtu.be/RVnpY8HhTwUWhere do I sign up?
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I know. I just can't help myself with movies like this, though. All I can think about is how much easier it would be if they had guns. Here is the movie "Captain Phillips...........with guns". It's under 3 minutes.
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Another movie/scenario that would have been over in 5 minutes, if only they had a couple rifles. I still think it was a good movie (but way off course of what really happened, from what I'm hearing). Also, the pirates, who are apparently all friends in real life, were great, and had pretty much no acting experience. I was surprised at hearing that, after watching the movie. Side note; would the US government really put that much manpower and effort into saving 1 commercial ship captain? Seemed overboard. Movie output from Hollywood would decline by 87% if people had at least one gun and knew how to use it. I know. I just can't help myself with movies like this, though. All I can think about is how much easier it would be if they had guns. Here is the movie "Captain Phillips...........with guns". It's under 3 minutes.
http://youtu.be/RVnpY8HhTwUHadn't seen that before. That kinda made my day. That's exactly how it should be when dealing with pirates (or greenpeace). |
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Another movie/scenario that would have been over in 5 minutes, if only they had a couple rifles. I still think it was a good movie (but way off course of what really happened, from what I'm hearing). Also, the pirates, who are apparently all friends in real life, were great, and had pretty much no acting experience. I was surprised at hearing that, after watching the movie. Side note; would the US government really put that much manpower and effort into saving 1 commercial ship captain? Seemed overboard. nope...... never and if it were as easy as "add rifles" they'd do it already. Go on. Why isn't it that easy? Laws. That's a given. I was assuming he was saying that simply having a couple rifles on-board would do nothing to stop pirate attacks. |
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Hadn't seen that before. That kinda made my day. That's exactly how it should be when dealing with pirates (or greenpeace). Quoted:
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Another movie/scenario that would have been over in 5 minutes, if only they had a couple rifles. I still think it was a good movie (but way off course of what really happened, from what I'm hearing). Also, the pirates, who are apparently all friends in real life, were great, and had pretty much no acting experience. I was surprised at hearing that, after watching the movie. Side note; would the US government really put that much manpower and effort into saving 1 commercial ship captain? Seemed overboard. Movie output from Hollywood would decline by 87% if people had at least one gun and knew how to use it. I know. I just can't help myself with movies like this, though. All I can think about is how much easier it would be if they had guns. Here is the movie "Captain Phillips...........with guns". It's under 3 minutes.
http://youtu.be/RVnpY8HhTwUHadn't seen that before. That kinda made my day. That's exactly how it should be when dealing with pirates (or greenpeace). I've seen it posted here quite a few times in random threads. Still waiting for Arfcom to start up an annual pirate hunt.
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Say I own a commercial container ship and I want to stash an arsenal in it, who's gonna know? I know that it's an international water problem and big trouble if caught but what is the likelihood of anyone finding out? That's a serious question as I really have no idea. I'll take it a step further, I bring my arsenal up and burn two skiffs full of Somali pirates and keep on steaming. Likelihood of problems, getting caught etc.? |
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Quoted: Say I own a commercial container ship and I want to stash an arsenal in it, who's gonna know? I know that it's an international water problem and big trouble if caught but what is the likelihood of anyone finding out? That's a serious question as I really have no idea. I'll take it a step further, I bring my arsenal up and burn two skiffs full of Somali pirates and keep on steaming. Likelihood of problems, getting caught etc.? |
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Say I own a commercial container ship and I want to stash an arsenal in it, who's gonna know? I know that it's an international water problem and big trouble if caught but what is the likelihood of anyone finding out? That's a serious question as I really have no idea. I'll take it a step further, I bring my arsenal up and burn two skiffs full of Somali pirates and keep on steaming. Likelihood of problems, getting caught etc.? I have no idea, but I think the same way you do. In the movie, they were off the main shipping lane, and there were no other boats around. So I don't see how anyone would know. Light up their shitty little skiffs and then use the hoses to sink them with the bodies in them. Problem solved, as far as I can tell. |
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As long as the weapons are locked down in port and declared to customs you are GTG. I've been on an ammo ship (Merchant Marine) where we built steel boxes on the bridge to keep long guns in. That was 30 years ago. I've also been on a trans-pacific container ship that we would shoot skeet at sea. I can give more examples. A previous poster said "Laws." My question - What laws? Please tell us where these laws are. On the high seas it is the Captain that is in command. If he/she wants firearms on board for protection, then it is perfectly legal, as long as they are secured in port. After 9/11 we started taking ship security courses that included weapons handling and firing. This was for regular commercial ships, not just ammo or other govt. chartered ships. |
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Quoted: As long as the weapons are locked down in port and declared to customs you are GTG. I've been on an ammo ship (Merchant Marine) where we built steel boxes on the bridge to keep long guns in. That was 30 years ago. I've also been on a trans-pacific container ship that we would shoot skeet at sea. I can give more examples. A previous poster said "Laws." My question - What laws? Please tell us where these laws are. On the high seas it is the Captain that is in command. If he/she wants firearms on board for protection, then it is perfectly legal, as long as they are secured in port. After 9/11 we started taking ship security courses that included weapons handling and firing. This was for regular commercial ships, not just ammo or other govt. chartered ships. I too was under the impression that weapons were not allowed via treaties or laws.
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I too was under the impression that weapons were not allowed via treaties or laws. Quoted:
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As long as the weapons are locked down in port and declared to customs you are GTG. I've been on an ammo ship (Merchant Marine) where we built steel boxes on the bridge to keep long guns in. That was 30 years ago. I've also been on a trans-pacific container ship that we would shoot skeet at sea. I can give more examples. A previous poster said "Laws." My question - What laws? Please tell us where these laws are. On the high seas it is the Captain that is in command. If he/she wants firearms on board for protection, then it is perfectly legal, as long as they are secured in port. After 9/11 we started taking ship security courses that included weapons handling and firing. This was for regular commercial ships, not just ammo or other govt. chartered ships. I too was under the impression that weapons were not allowed via treaties or laws. Same here. So if not for laws, I wonder why more ships don't keep guns on-board. |
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Traditionally the Captain has always kept a pistol in a safe, just in case. If the Captain has knowledge of a weapon and who is in control then it is perfectly legal. Each ship is different. Plus I am retired now and can't bring you up to date with the latest info. |
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Traditionally the Captain has always kept a pistol in a safe, just in case. If the Captain has knowledge of a weapon and who is in control then it is perfectly legal. Each ship is different. Plus I am retired now and can't bring you up to date with the latest info. AFAIK, it's still the same. A friend was working on educating some of the cargo crews on lethal force in Florida after the Somalians started to get ballsy. Liability concerns and prejudice against firearms seemed to be the biggest concerns. |
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Another movie/scenario that would have been over in 5 minutes, if only they had a couple rifles. I still think it was a good movie (but way off course of what really happened, from what I'm hearing). Also, the pirates, who are apparently all friends in real life, were great, and had pretty much no acting experience. I was surprised at hearing that, after watching the movie. Side note; would the US government really put that much manpower and effort into saving 1 commercial ship captain? Seemed overboard. Pretty much every horror movie where the killer isn't supernatural would be over in under 30 minutes if one key character had a firearm and proper training. But then, what fun would that be?
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Pretty much every horror movie where the killer isn't supernatural would be over in under 30 minutes if one key character had a firearm and proper training. But then, what fun would that be?
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Another movie/scenario that would have been over in 5 minutes, if only they had a couple rifles. I still think it was a good movie (but way off course of what really happened, from what I'm hearing). Also, the pirates, who are apparently all friends in real life, were great, and had pretty much no acting experience. I was surprised at hearing that, after watching the movie. Side note; would the US government really put that much manpower and effort into saving 1 commercial ship captain? Seemed overboard. Pretty much every horror movie where the killer isn't supernatural would be over in under 30 minutes if one key character had a firearm and proper training. But then, what fun would that be?
I know, I know. But one that really made no sense is The Purge. You know people will be out killing and creating chaos on that one night, and dude has 1 revolver and no reloads. Da fuck? |
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Another movie/scenario that would have been over in 5 minutes, if only they had a couple rifles. I still think it was a good movie (but way off course of what really happened, from what I'm hearing). Also, the pirates, who are apparently all friends in real life, were great, and had pretty much no acting experience. I was surprised at hearing that, after watching the movie. Side note; would the US government really put that much manpower and effort into saving 1 commercial ship captain? Seemed overboard. The US government did put that much manpower and effort in. It's based on a true story. |
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The US government did put that much manpower and effort in. It's based on a true story. Quoted:
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Another movie/scenario that would have been over in 5 minutes, if only they had a couple rifles. I still think it was a good movie (but way off course of what really happened, from what I'm hearing). Also, the pirates, who are apparently all friends in real life, were great, and had pretty much no acting experience. I was surprised at hearing that, after watching the movie. Side note; would the US government really put that much manpower and effort into saving 1 commercial ship captain? Seemed overboard. The US government did put that much manpower and effort in. It's based on a true story. I know it is, but of course Hollywood likes to exaggerate stuff for sake of entertainment. 3 ships, who-knows-how-many people, and a SEAL team, for 1 guy, seemed extravagant to me. |
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Quoted: nope...... never and if it were as easy as "add rifles" they'd do it already. Quoted: Quoted: Another movie/scenario that would have been over in 5 minutes, if only they had a couple rifles. I still think it was a good movie (but way off course of what really happened, from what I'm hearing). Also, the pirates, who are apparently all friends in real life, were great, and had pretty much no acting experience. I was surprised at hearing that, after watching the movie. Side note; would the US government really put that much manpower and effort into saving 1 commercial ship captain? Seemed overboard. nope...... never and if it were as easy as "add rifles" they'd do it already. LOLWUT? They obviously did, in the real-life case that this movie was based on. It is indeed as easy as "add rifles" (FAL, H&K G3, SCAR-H from a cargo ship >> AK from a skiff), but "they" are not doing it because "they" (shipping companies and their insurers, mariner's unions, as well as most seafaring nations worldwide) are run by "only government-owned guns are good guns" types who don't trust regular folks with guns... |
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I know it is, but of course Hollywood likes to exaggerate stuff for sake of entertainment. 3 ships, who-knows-how-many people, and a SEAL team, for 1 guy, seemed extravagant to me. Quoted:
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Another movie/scenario that would have been over in 5 minutes, if only they had a couple rifles. I still think it was a good movie (but way off course of what really happened, from what I'm hearing). Also, the pirates, who are apparently all friends in real life, were great, and had pretty much no acting experience. I was surprised at hearing that, after watching the movie. Side note; would the US government really put that much manpower and effort into saving 1 commercial ship captain? Seemed overboard. The US government did put that much manpower and effort in. It's based on a true story. I know it is, but of course Hollywood likes to exaggerate stuff for sake of entertainment. 3 ships, who-knows-how-many people, and a SEAL team, for 1 guy, seemed extravagant to me. "Seal Team SIX".
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It wasn't for one guy. It was to establish the precedent that piracy, particularly that affecting American interests, will not be tolerated. Quoted:
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3 ships, who-knows-how-many people, and a SEAL team, for 1 guy, seemed extravagant to me. It wasn't for one guy. It was to establish the precedent that piracy, particularly that affecting American interests, will not be tolerated. Makes sense. |
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Another movie/scenario that would have been over in 5 minutes, if only they had a couple rifles. I still think it was a good movie (but way off course of what really happened, from what I'm hearing). Also, the pirates, who are apparently all friends in real life, were great, and had pretty much no acting experience. I was surprised at hearing that, after watching the movie. Side note; would the US government really put that much manpower and effort into saving 1 commercial ship captain? Seemed overboard. Ever hear of "The Shores of Tripoli"? Or "Millions for defense, and not one penny for tribute"? |
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Another movie/scenario that would have been over in 5 minutes, if only they had a couple rifles. I still think it was a good movie (but way off course of what really happened, from what I'm hearing). Also, the pirates, who are apparently all friends in real life, were great, and had pretty much no acting experience. I was surprised at hearing that, after watching the movie. Side note; would the US government really put that much manpower and effort into saving 1 commercial ship captain? Seemed overboard. Overboard-the one with Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell? |
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From the pirate accounts I have read allot of the pirates carry RPGs. So I can see a gun fight between ARs against RPGs I guess a Barret 50 would stand them off so they don't get close enough to fire the RPG. 'ARs vs RPGs' is still better than 'Lock the doors and pray vs RPGs'. |
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Overboard-the one with Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell? Quoted:
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Another movie/scenario that would have been over in 5 minutes, if only they had a couple rifles. I still think it was a good movie (but way off course of what really happened, from what I'm hearing). Also, the pirates, who are apparently all friends in real life, were great, and had pretty much no acting experience. I was surprised at hearing that, after watching the movie. Side note; would the US government really put that much manpower and effort into saving 1 commercial ship captain? Seemed overboard. Overboard-the one with Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell? I loved that movie. |
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OP mustafa read my post in the weapons of Capt Phillips thread?
"Captain Phillips should be renamed: "Movie in which Tom Hanks, demonstrating as much acting talent as a piece of cardboard, portrays a character that has a bad East Coast accent and the director films the back of his head mostly while a bland story is told of a shipping company that believed in gun-control and it's crew that cowered in fear from four people with guns they could've easily taken care of had they simply been armed or even slightly courageous men, but instead hundreds of thousands of dollars were wasted by sending Navy SEALs halfway around the world to save their dumbasses." I guess it's hard to fit a title like that on a movie theater marquee? The SEALs probably used all manner of really neat gadgets and guns but I walked out of the theater by then because it was such an awful waste of my time." |
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LOLWUT? They obviously did, in the real-life case that this movie was based on. It is indeed as easy as "add rifles" (FAL, H&K G3, SCAR-H from a cargo ship >> AK from a skiff), but "they" are not doing it because "they" (shipping companies and their insurers, mariner's unions, as well as most seafaring nations worldwide) are run by "only government-owned guns are good guns" types who don't trust regular folks with guns... Quoted:
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Another movie/scenario that would have been over in 5 minutes, if only they had a couple rifles. I still think it was a good movie (but way off course of what really happened, from what I'm hearing). Also, the pirates, who are apparently all friends in real life, were great, and had pretty much no acting experience. I was surprised at hearing that, after watching the movie. Side note; would the US government really put that much manpower and effort into saving 1 commercial ship captain? Seemed overboard. nope...... never and if it were as easy as "add rifles" they'd do it already. LOLWUT? They obviously did, in the real-life case that this movie was based on. It is indeed as easy as "add rifles" (FAL, H&K G3, SCAR-H from a cargo ship >> AK from a skiff), but "they" are not doing it because "they" (shipping companies and their insurers, mariner's unions, as well as most seafaring nations worldwide) are run by "only government-owned guns are good guns" types who don't trust regular folks with guns... sarcasm.... and I know - so it's not as easy as tossing some rifles on board. Pretty stupid to spend what we do on counter-piracy when 3k per boat would help more. |
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'ARs vs RPGs' is still better than 'Lock the doors and pray vs RPGs'. Quoted:
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From the pirate accounts I have read allot of the pirates carry RPGs. So I can see a gun fight between ARs against RPGs I guess a Barret 50 would stand them off so they don't get close enough to fire the RPG. 'ARs vs RPGs' is still better than 'Lock the doors and pray vs RPGs'. So they fire the RPG - so what? Even when fired on solid earth, the RPG doesn't enjoy a good reputation for hitting its target. Fired from a small, rapidly moving boat, they'd be lucky to get minute-of-ship accuracy out of it.
Meanwhile, they're sitting on a tiny floating target that (1.) doesn't have any cover, and (2.) is taking hundreds of rounds of incoming fire from multiple locations. |
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As long as the weapons are locked down in port and declared to customs you are GTG. I've been on an ammo ship (Merchant Marine) where we built steel boxes on the bridge to keep long guns in. That was 30 years ago. I've also been on a trans-pacific container ship that we would shoot skeet at sea. I can give more examples. A previous poster said "Laws." My question - What laws? Please tell us where these laws are. On the high seas it is the Captain that is in command. If he/she wants firearms on board for protection, then it is perfectly legal, as long as they are secured in port. After 9/11 we started taking ship security courses that included weapons handling and firing. This was for regular commercial ships, not just ammo or other govt. chartered ships. I sailed for Exxon for 17 years, Vela International for a couple of years on waters including Arabian Sea off Somalia, I have sailed for two different companies in the last 16 years since, it was against company regulations at all of them to bring a firearm on board. Insurance and Port regulations are the main reason. Coming into NY for instance you would be required to notify the State police of each weapon, keep them locked up in port and be subject to inspection. Insurance companies could drop your policy if you were armed. It has been a offence punishable by up to and including termination everywhere I've worked for the last 36 years. |
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I know it is, but of course Hollywood likes to exaggerate stuff for sake of entertainment. 3 ships, who-knows-how-many people, and a SEAL team, for 1 guy, seemed extravagant to me. Quoted:
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Another movie/scenario that would have been over in 5 minutes, if only they had a couple rifles. I still think it was a good movie (but way off course of what really happened, from what I'm hearing). Also, the pirates, who are apparently all friends in real life, were great, and had pretty much no acting experience. I was surprised at hearing that, after watching the movie. Side note; would the US government really put that much manpower and effort into saving 1 commercial ship captain? Seemed overboard. The US government did put that much manpower and effort in. It's based on a true story. I know it is, but of course Hollywood likes to exaggerate stuff for sake of entertainment. 3 ships, who-knows-how-many people, and a SEAL team, for 1 guy, seemed extravagant to me. That one guy was a Captain in the United States Merchant Marine commanding a United States flagged vessel on contract to the United States Government to carry a cargo paid for by the United States taxpayers. You do realize that the United States Navy basically got it's start that way, right? |
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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/10/18/india-arrests-crew-us-ship-on-weapons-charges/ My dad was USN Armed Guard in WW2. The Liberty ships were sailed by Merchant Marine who were unarmed and protected by a USN gun crew. Even in wartime.
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