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Posted: 10/28/2004 8:04:07 AM EST
Is it illegal to have an M16 bolt and bolt carrier in a AR15?

Ive seen conflicting answeres.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 8:11:34 AM EST
Yes.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 8:12:51 AM EST

Originally Posted By AW-101:
Yes.



No.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 8:13:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/28/2004 8:14:38 AM EST by arowneragain]

Originally Posted By arowneragain:

Originally Posted By AW-101:
Yes.



No.


Maybe.

I don't know!

Could you repeat the question?

You're not the boss of me, no!
You're not the boss of me, no!
You're not the boss of me, no,
and you're not so big!

You're not the boss of me, no!
You're not the boss of me, no!
You're not the boss of me, no,
and you're not so big!

Life is unfair.......
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 8:14:09 AM EST
Who's going to be looking at your bolt?
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 8:14:17 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/28/2004 8:14:40 AM EST by mr_wilson]
There's a LEGAL Section Forum here and a M16 Forum under AR15 for questions like this and more than enough reading on the subject to keep ya busy for days........

Unless your just trolling the General Discussion forum for fun.

Mike
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 8:15:33 AM EST

Originally Posted By mr_wilson:
Unless your just trolling the General Discussion forum for fun.

Mike



I took the liberty of assuming that such was the case.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 8:17:03 AM EST
you got one to sell, or thinking of buying?
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 8:17:10 AM EST
No im not trolling. Im just trying to get a certain answere.

Link Posted: 10/28/2004 8:19:12 AM EST

Originally Posted By Epsilon:
No im not trolling. Im just trying to get a certain answere.




The short, serious answer is 'no'.

But...why?
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 8:23:00 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/28/2004 8:23:51 AM EST by Epsilon]

The short, serious answer is 'no'.

But...why?



Alot of people have been telling me its illegal to have an M16 bolt carrier in your AR15. But just yesterday someone here posted a picture of his AR15 with a M16 bolt carrier. So im just looking for the truth.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 8:25:08 AM EST
To add complexity, Colt sold their semi aout 9mm ARs with a FA bolt.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 8:25:12 AM EST

Grey area. I think if you got in trouble for it, you could fight it and have a good chance.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 8:25:48 AM EST
No. wait! ....yes.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 8:42:04 AM EST

The short, serious answer is 'no'.


So its perfectlt legal to have a M16 bolt carrier in a AR15?
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 8:44:26 AM EST

Originally Posted By Epsilon:

The short, serious answer is 'no'.


So its perfectlt legal to have a M16 bolt carrier in a AR15?



I'm not a lawyer.

You're in Texas. Go to a gunshow. I hear y'all have some good ones.

Buy a bolt.

try it out.

If it somehow turns your AR into a full-auto (hint: it won't), take it out and throw it in the nearest ditch.

If it doesn't, you're ok. Perfectly legal.


Clear as mud, huh? Thank the ATF.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 8:46:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By Epsilon:

So its perfectlt legal to have a M16 bolt carrier in a AR15?



This info can only be passed on to TEAM MEMBERS.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 11:17:06 AM EST
The ATF considers this 'constructive possession'.

Don't do it.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 11:23:32 AM EST

Originally Posted By fook:
The ATF considers this 'constructive possession'.

Don't do it.



Care to sight your source for this info?
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 11:27:16 AM EST
Excuse me Son. Let me have a look at that bolt you have there.<cop voice>
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 11:28:40 AM EST

Someone sells a modified 16 carrier that still has the firing pin shroud but the sear trip portion of the carrier is cut back ti 15 specs. (IIIRC) BTW, a bolt is a bolt is a bolt.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 11:29:53 AM EST
It's the carrier that is FA/semi. The bolts are the same.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 11:34:11 AM EST
No.

Differences to bolts to make them semi-auto are fairly recent, I believe. Older rifles all have the same bolt as used in auto-weps.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 3:08:31 PM EST

Originally Posted By Epsilon:
Is it illegal to have an M16 bolt and bolt carrier in a AR15?

Ive seen conflicting answeres.



No it's not.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 4:29:02 PM EST

Originally Posted By jt325i:

No it's not.



fook says it is, but he's not revealing his source for this valuable info!
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 4:50:31 PM EST
Gee where can I buy one of those full automatic carriers?

Will it work in my 10/22?

Bob
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 4:56:12 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/28/2004 4:58:03 PM EST by Lightning_P38]
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 5:20:51 PM EST
well among many AK fables its not the bolt again that makes it full auto,the best thing about an AK full auto(bolt) that never migrated over to the semi -auto is the fireing pin spring!!

It could and would account for many less charging discharges!

And an M16 carrier is dope,cause it has the right ammont of weight to carry the bolt back at the right speed!!

I just put a 3-position stock on my sporter,and I swear the springs that came with it were damn near the lenght of my original spring!

And yes my bolt is an M16 bolt!!!


Bob
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 5:33:27 PM EST

And yes my bolt is an M16 bolt!!!


Is your carrier also M16?
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 5:34:33 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 7:04:04 PM EST

Originally Posted By Lightning_P38:

Originally Posted By bobbyjack:
well among many AK fables its not the bolt again that makes it full auto,the best thing about an AK full auto(bolt) that never migrated over to the semi -auto is the fireing pin spring!!

It could and would account for many less charging discharges!

And an M16 carrier is dope,cause it has the right ammont of weight to carry the bolt back at the right speed!!

I just put a 3-position stock on my sporter,and I swear the springs that came with it were damn near the lenght of my original spring!

And yes my bolt is an M16 bolt!!!


Bob



The Polytech semi only AK's do indeed have a firing pin spring, there are others but I don't recall which ones right now.



Not all of them do. My 223 AKS (serial number under 200), I've had it since 1987 and it was preowned even then, doesn't and it will double and triple if loaded with ammuntion using softer primers.
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