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Posted: 10/20/2016 5:58:43 PM EDT
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I'd personally want something that could stop rifle rounds if I was going to bother to wear plates. Those are just IIIA?
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:00:00 PM EDT
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The Plate Carrier thread got me thinking about armor. I ordered a Mayflower APC from skd. Now I need some 10x12 plates. I was thinking these as I don't have infinite money and I'm no badass. Any experience with them, or better suggestions? Thanks! You can get a NIJ06 Certified Level III+ that will stop green tip, .308, and all kinds of other rounds for $349. Either way, that is outrageously expensive for III-A rigids. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:00:01 PM EDT
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I'd personally want something that could stop rifle rounds if I was going to bother to wear plates. Those are just IIIA? Yeah, those plates cost what a whole 3a setup from safariland would run. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:01:42 PM EDT
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The Plate Carrier thread got me thinking about armor. I ordered a Mayflower APC from skd. Now I need some 10x12 plates. I was thinking these as I don't have infinite money and I'm no badass. Any experience with them, or better suggestions? Thanks! NO. That DAMN plastic loses it's protective value when exposed to high heat (such as being left in the trunk of a car in the summertime). For economy, (and since you're buying IIIA anyway!), get traditional Kevlar soft plates. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:04:50 PM EDT
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Go with Spartan Armor's 3+ plates. They'll stop just about everything you're likely to encounter, think one of their 3+ offerings stops M193 from 20" M16 clones. Gotta recheck, but I think it was their Armaply stuff.
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:05:51 PM EDT
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Highcom Guardian 4SAS7 10x12" Multicurve Shooter's Cut can be had for ~$250 a set with discount code. Unfortunately haven't been following the deals lately, so I'm not sure what the current code is...
They are about 7lbs each and very highly rated with rifle rounds. They fit well in my LBT-6094 |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:10:08 PM EDT
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You definitely want to stop rifle rounds if you're spending the money. Highcom level IV are stupid cheap compared to what plates historically cost. 3+ ar500 are another option. They won't stop smaller high velocity rounds but will last longer against normal threats compared to ceramic should shtf and you cannot be resupplied. You're giving up something either way.
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:11:09 PM EDT
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TAP Gamma plates in all my carriers. They were pretty cheap. IIRC, there were a few dozen thousand of them dumped onto the market all at once which is why they were so cheap when I got them.
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:26:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Go with Spartan Armor's 3+ plates. They'll stop just about everything you're likely to encounter, think one of their 3+ offerings stops M193 from 20" M16 clones. Gotta recheck, but I think it was their Armaply stuff. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:40:15 PM EDT
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Spartan Armor AR650 Really fast shipping and great service. Single curve, base coat for $250 for both plates. I had swimmers cut and switched to shooters cut. Use an SKD PIG and it's a great carrier. As a civilian you are much more likely to drop a plate, possibly crack ceramic. I went with steel for durability and long service life. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Go with Spartan Armor's 3+ plates. They'll stop just about everything you're likely to encounter, think one of their 3+ offerings stops M193 from 20" M16 clones. Gotta recheck, but I think it was their Armaply stuff. Went with this. Thanks for the suggestions. This seemed like the best compromise for price/protection/weight. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:40:59 PM EDT
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Great book, highly recommended. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:47:22 PM EDT
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Went with this. Thanks for the suggestions. This seemed like the best compromise for price/protection/weight. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Go with Spartan Armor's 3+ plates. They'll stop just about everything you're likely to encounter, think one of their 3+ offerings stops M193 from 20" M16 clones. Gotta recheck, but I think it was their Armaply stuff. Went with this. Thanks for the suggestions. This seemed like the best compromise for price/protection/weight. At that price and weight I would have went with HighComm and level 4. Get the 10% code or waited till black friday |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 6:58:28 PM EDT
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At that price and weight I would have went with HighComm and level 4. Get the 10% code or waited till black friday Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Go with Spartan Armor's 3+ plates. They'll stop just about everything you're likely to encounter, think one of their 3+ offerings stops M193 from 20" M16 clones. Gotta recheck, but I think it was their Armaply stuff. Went with this. Thanks for the suggestions. This seemed like the best compromise for price/protection/weight. At that price and weight I would have went with HighComm and level 4. Get the 10% code or waited till black friday This, no way would I want steel plates when I could get ceramics at the price they're going for now. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 7:05:47 PM EDT
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Highcom Guardian 4SAS7 10x12" Multicurve Shooter's Cut can be had for ~$250 a set with discount code. Unfortunately haven't been following the deals lately, so I'm not sure what the current code is... They are about 7lbs each and very highly rated with rifle rounds. They fit well in my LBT-6094 This, checkout midwest armor as well |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 7:07:35 PM EDT
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This, no way would I want steel plates when I could get ceramics at the price they're going for now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Go with Spartan Armor's 3+ plates. They'll stop just about everything you're likely to encounter, think one of their 3+ offerings stops M193 from 20" M16 clones. Gotta recheck, but I think it was their Armaply stuff. Went with this. Thanks for the suggestions. This seemed like the best compromise for price/protection/weight. At that price and weight I would have went with HighComm and level 4. Get the 10% code or waited till black friday This, no way would I want steel plates when I could get ceramics at the price they're going for now. This |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 7:41:00 PM EDT
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Why?
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Posted: 10/20/2016 7:50:36 PM EDT
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Went with this. Thanks for the suggestions. This seemed like the best compromise for price/protection/weight. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Go with Spartan Armor's 3+ plates. They'll stop just about everything you're likely to encounter, think one of their 3+ offerings stops M193 from 20" M16 clones. Gotta recheck, but I think it was their Armaply stuff. Went with this. Thanks for the suggestions. This seemed like the best compromise for price/protection/weight. Fucking fail |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 7:52:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fucking fail Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Go with Spartan Armor's 3+ plates. They'll stop just about everything you're likely to encounter, think one of their 3+ offerings stops M193 from 20" M16 clones. Gotta recheck, but I think it was their Armaply stuff. Went with this. Thanks for the suggestions. This seemed like the best compromise for price/protection/weight. Fucking fail Why you no go ceramic?!?!! Highcom woulda hooked you up!!! |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 7:56:19 PM EDT
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Hard to argue against Highcom 4SAS7. Got a single curve set of level 4 for around $200 last year on black friday.
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Posted: 10/20/2016 7:59:02 PM EDT
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Highcom Guardian 4SAS7 10x12" Multicurve Shooter's Cut can be had for ~$250 a set with discount code. Unfortunately haven't been following the deals lately, so I'm not sure what the current code is... They are about 7lbs each and very highly rated with rifle rounds. They fit well in my LBT-6094 This, although you'll have to send them proof of citizenship. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 8:04:45 PM EDT
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I wear my plates.
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Posted: 10/20/2016 8:04:58 PM EDT
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Highcom Guardian 4SAS7 10x12" Multicurve Shooter's Cut can be had for ~$250 a set with discount code. Unfortunately haven't been following the deals lately, so I'm not sure what the current code is... They are about 7lbs each and very highly rated with rifle rounds. They fit well in my LBT-6094 These are the ones I have. When I got mine I just called Highcomm and asked them what their most recent code was and they told me. J- |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 8:06:31 PM EDT
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I got my carrier with Level IV plates for $350
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Posted: 10/20/2016 8:09:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Highcom Guardian 4SAS7 10x12" Multicurve Shooter's Cut can be had for ~$250 a set with discount code. Unfortunately haven't been following the deals lately, so I'm not sure what the current code is... They are about 7lbs each and very highly rated with rifle rounds. They fit well in my LBT-6094 That's what I ordered, with the carrier. $350, free shipping. You do have to send them a birth certificate or passport though. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 8:10:15 PM EDT
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Lvl IV Ceramics or bust.
Definitely don't listen to a single person that recommends steal plates. Peasant armor. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 8:11:26 PM EDT
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That's what I ordered, with the carrier. $350, free shipping. You do have to send them a birth certificate or passport though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Highcom Guardian 4SAS7 10x12" Multicurve Shooter's Cut can be had for ~$250 a set with discount code. Unfortunately haven't been following the deals lately, so I'm not sure what the current code is... They are about 7lbs each and very highly rated with rifle rounds. They fit well in my LBT-6094 That's what I ordered, with the carrier. $350, free shipping. You do have to send them a birth certificate or passport though. I think midwest has the same plates, same $ but you dont need to jump through hoops. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 8:11:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Spartan Armor AR650 Really fast shipping and great service. Single curve, base coat for $250 for both plates. I had swimmers cut and switched to shooters cut. Use an SKD PIG and it's a great carrier. As a civilian you are much more likely to drop a plate, possibly crack ceramic. I went with steel for durability and long service life. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Go with Spartan Armor's 3+ plates. They'll stop just about everything you're likely to encounter, think one of their 3+ offerings stops M193 from 20" M16 clones. Gotta recheck, but I think it was their Armaply stuff. What happened to "friends don't let friends buy steel plates?" |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 8:15:54 PM EDT
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What happened to "friends don't let friends buy steel plates?" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Go with Spartan Armor's 3+ plates. They'll stop just about everything you're likely to encounter, think one of their 3+ offerings stops M193 from 20" M16 clones. Gotta recheck, but I think it was their Armaply stuff. What happened to "friends don't let friends buy steel plates?" Peasants gonna peasant. Shit, I don't even like you, Steve, and I didn't let you buy steal plates. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 8:16:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: . 3+ ar500 are another option. They won't stop smaller high velocity rounds but will last longer against normal threats compared to ceramic should shtf and you cannot be resupplied. You're giving up something either way. If they won't stop smaller high velocity rounds, and everyone has an AR-15 these days, then doesn't that make ar500 plates a bad choice? |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 8:17:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Peasants gonna peasant. Shit, I don't even like you, Steve, and I didn't let you buy steal plates. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Go with Spartan Armor's 3+ plates. They'll stop just about everything you're likely to encounter, think one of their 3+ offerings stops M193 from 20" M16 clones. Gotta recheck, but I think it was their Armaply stuff. What happened to "friends don't let friends buy steel plates?" Peasants gonna peasant. Shit, I don't even like you, Steve, and I didn't let you buy steal plates. I don't like you either, but I bought the ones you suggested. Nah, just kidding. You're alright. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 8:18:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think midwest has the same plates, same $ but you dont need to jump through hoops. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Highcom Guardian 4SAS7 10x12" Multicurve Shooter's Cut can be had for ~$250 a set with discount code. Unfortunately haven't been following the deals lately, so I'm not sure what the current code is... They are about 7lbs each and very highly rated with rifle rounds. They fit well in my LBT-6094 That's what I ordered, with the carrier. $350, free shipping. You do have to send them a birth certificate or passport though. I think midwest has the same plates, same $ but you dont need to jump through hoops. Too late. No ragerts! |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 8:25:13 PM EDT
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If they won't stop smaller high velocity rounds, and everyone has an AR-15 these days, then doesn't that make ar500 plates a bad choice? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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. 3+ ar500 are another option. They won't stop smaller high velocity rounds but will last longer against normal threats compared to ceramic should shtf and you cannot be resupplied. You're giving up something either way. If they won't stop smaller high velocity rounds, and everyone has an AR-15 these days, then doesn't that make ar500 plates a bad choice? This. If you're going to bother getting plates, you might as well get something that stops common rifle rounds. I could maybe see making a different choice if the rig needed to be concealed or if it was going to be worn 10 hours a day. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 8:26:20 PM EDT
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already have plates.
saving for a greenwich garniture. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 9:33:38 PM EDT
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Great book, highly recommended. 
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Posted: 10/21/2016 7:13:54 AM EDT
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If they won't stop smaller high velocity rounds, and everyone has an AR-15 these days, then doesn't that make ar500 plates a bad choice? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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. 3+ ar500 are another option. They won't stop smaller high velocity rounds but will last longer against normal threats compared to ceramic should shtf and you cannot be resupplied. You're giving up something either way. If they won't stop smaller high velocity rounds, and everyone has an AR-15 these days, then doesn't that make ar500 plates a bad choice? There are two arfcommers that have done lots of video tests to show what does and doesn't penetrate. If I remember correctly, level 3+ will only fail with 24" barreled .223/5.56. 16" and 20" barrels are not a concern. There might have been 1 that failed with a 20" and I think it was a 45grain varmint round. What I'm curious about are .17hmr, .22-250, .243 and .270. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 7:17:07 AM EDT
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Lvl IV Ceramics or bust. Definitely don't listen to a single person that recommends steal plates. Peasant armor. Meh 
Anything is better than nothing. Buy what you can afford, but if it's not concealable don't go below level 3 coverage |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 7:20:23 AM EDT
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Great book, highly recommended. My favorite book of all time!! See my avatar, is the first edition cover |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 7:21:26 AM EDT
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Meh
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Lvl IV Ceramics or bust. Definitely don't listen to a single person that recommends steal plates. Peasant armor. Meh
Anything is better than nothing. Buy what you can afford, but if it's not concealable don't go below level 3 coverage Ceramics and steal are basically the same price. Peasants buy steal because poor people generally make poor decisions. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 9:47:13 AM EDT
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Ceramics and steal are basically the same price. Peasants buy steal because poor people generally make poor decisions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lvl IV Ceramics or bust. Definitely don't listen to a single person that recommends steal plates. Peasant armor. Meh
Anything is better than nothing. Buy what you can afford, but if it's not concealable don't go below level 3 coverage Ceramics and steal are basically the same price. Peasants buy steal because poor people generally make poor decisions. I won't call anyone a peasant but just looking at cost now it doesn't make sense to go steel, after you add in the coating they come out to the same weight pretty much. Lvl IV are affordable now and if highcomm runs a black friday deal like last year it's crazy low. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 10:03:16 AM EDT
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I won't call anyone a peasant but just looking at cost now it doesn't make sense to go steel, after you add in the coating they come out to the same weight pretty much. Lvl IV are affordable now and if highcomm runs a black friday deal like last year it's crazy low. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lvl IV Ceramics or bust. Definitely don't listen to a single person that recommends steal plates. Peasant armor. Meh
Anything is better than nothing. Buy what you can afford, but if it's not concealable don't go below level 3 coverage Ceramics and steal are basically the same price. Peasants buy steal because poor people generally make poor decisions. I won't call anyone a peasant but just looking at cost now it doesn't make sense to go steel, after you add in the coating they come out to the same weight pretty much. Lvl IV are affordable now and if highcomm runs a black friday deal like last year it's crazy low. What do you call people who spend the same amount of money on an inferior product that they would have spent on a superior product? I see where you're coming from, I really do. I do a cost:benefit analysis on pretty much every item I purchase that is over a few hundred bucks. I went with the DBAL-A3 instead of the DBAL-D2 because of that analysis. The D2 is superior to the A3 but I did not conclude that the extra capability was worth the extra money. That wasn't an easy decision to make. This is an easy decision. $X for Superior Product or $X for Inferior Product. Sometimes it seems people cannot successfully remove their biases from analysis and make poor decisions. I call those people peasants. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 10:26:34 AM EDT
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If you can find them the mil spec SAPI or ESAPI plates (Manufactured by Ceradyne) are the lightest and strongest as far as ceramic goes as they are made of boron carbide. They are In Conjunction With (ICW) plates so you will need a soft armor backer but even with the backer they are lighter than all of the stand alone plates I've seen.
And no ceramic doesn't crack, not unless you toss your vest out the window of a two story building directly onto concrete or something stupid. Think logically, would the US military, and every military around the world that uses armor give supposedly glass like fragile armor to a bunch of clumsy 18 year olds to take into battle. F**k no. Boron Carbide is one of the hardest materials known to man aside from diamonds. You will never crack your plates. Unless youre on a super tight budget I would always recommend ceramic over steel. Its a big weight difference and im sorry but the whole multi-hit rated is a sales gimmick, if you ever take 50 rounds to the chest you will be dead as you probably took another 50 to your head and limbs, armor is not a magic magnet that pulls all rounds shot at you to a tiny 10"x12" square. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 10:58:00 AM EDT
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The Plate Carrier thread got me thinking about armor. I ordered a Mayflower APC from skd. Now I need some 10x12 plates. I was thinking these as I don't have infinite money and I'm no badass. Any experience with them, or better suggestions? Thanks! You could be shot in the head. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 11:02:42 AM EDT
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The Plate Carrier thread got me thinking about armor. I ordered a Mayflower APC from skd. Now I need some 10x12 plates. I was thinking these as I don't have infinite money and I'm no badass. Any experience with them, or better suggestions? Thanks! You could be shot in the head. That's why I went with a Condor carrier and airsoft plates. |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 11:25:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I won't call anyone a peasant but just looking at cost now it doesn't make sense to go steel, after you add in the coating they come out to the same weight pretty much. Lvl IV are affordable now and if highcomm runs a black friday deal like last year it's crazy low. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Lvl IV Ceramics or bust. Definitely don't listen to a single person that recommends steal plates. Peasant armor. Meh Anything is better than nothing. Buy what you can afford, but if it's not concealable don't go below level 3 coverage Ceramics and steal are basically the same price. Peasants buy steal because poor people generally make poor decisions. I won't call anyone a peasant but just looking at cost now it doesn't make sense to go steel, after you add in the coating they come out to the same weight pretty much. Lvl IV are affordable now and if highcomm runs a black friday deal like last year it's crazy low. If they have a black friday deal then I'm going to buy a helmet! |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 2:51:10 PM EDT
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What do you call people who spend the same amount of money on an inferior product that they would have spent on a superior product? I see where you're coming from, I really do. I do a cost:benefit analysis on pretty much every item I purchase that is over a few hundred bucks. I went with the DBAL-A3 instead of the DBAL-D2 because of that analysis. The D2 is superior to the A3 but I did not conclude that the extra capability was worth the extra money. That wasn't an easy decision to make. This is an easy decision. $X for Superior Product or $X for Inferior Product. Sometimes it seems people cannot successfully remove their biases from analysis and make poor decisions. I call those people peasants. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lvl IV Ceramics or bust. Definitely don't listen to a single person that recommends steal plates. Peasant armor. Meh
Anything is better than nothing. Buy what you can afford, but if it's not concealable don't go below level 3 coverage Ceramics and steal are basically the same price. Peasants buy steal because poor people generally make poor decisions. I won't call anyone a peasant but just looking at cost now it doesn't make sense to go steel, after you add in the coating they come out to the same weight pretty much. Lvl IV are affordable now and if highcomm runs a black friday deal like last year it's crazy low. What do you call people who spend the same amount of money on an inferior product that they would have spent on a superior product? I see where you're coming from, I really do. I do a cost:benefit analysis on pretty much every item I purchase that is over a few hundred bucks. I went with the DBAL-A3 instead of the DBAL-D2 because of that analysis. The D2 is superior to the A3 but I did not conclude that the extra capability was worth the extra money. That wasn't an easy decision to make. This is an easy decision. $X for Superior Product or $X for Inferior Product. Sometimes it seems people cannot successfully remove their biases from analysis and make poor decisions. I call those people peasants. HAHAHA  I can't say I didn't laugh when I read your post and others 
I bought Highcomm level 4's but to answer your question. Can I say stupid around here or does that get my wee wee slapped? hahah |
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Posted: 10/21/2016 2:53:43 PM EDT
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Lvl IV Ceramics or bust. Definitely don't listen to a single person that recommends steal plates. Peasant armor. Meh
Anything is better than nothing. Buy what you can afford, but if it's not concealable don't go below level 3 coverage Ceramics and steal are basically the same price. Peasants buy steal because poor people generally make poor decisions. I won't call anyone a peasant but just looking at cost now it doesn't make sense to go steel, after you add in the coating they come out to the same weight pretty much. Lvl IV are affordable now and if highcomm runs a black friday deal like last year it's crazy low. If they have a black friday deal then I'm going to buy a helmet! I'm hoping they have one like they did last year. I'll be picking up some stuff |
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