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10/3/2016 5:55:59 PM EDT
Finishing up a stats class. Have a bonus question I'd like to run past some folks with more knowledge than me. I've tried Google and a few other things but none of it makes sense in my head.  (We've been working on run charts and histograms and finding upper and lower control limits after identifying variance and standard deviation,

Here's the question:

You are working in a Process Improvement Team on a process that turns out to be unstable because one of it's data points is below the lower control limit. The team studies the process further and is able to eliminate the cause of the outlier.

The resulting process is stable but producing results outside the specification limits due to a high standard deviation. What do you recommend the team should do next?


Any thoughts our direction would be appreciated.
10/3/2016 6:05:05 PM EDT
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Process is stable but not capable. Need to reduce variation.
10/3/2016 6:06:18 PM EDT
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Clock out and go have a beverage.
10/3/2016 6:32:39 PM EDT
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The resulting process is stable but producing results outside the specification limits due to a high standard deviation.
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If, after removing the outlier legitimately, the process is stable but out of tolerance conditions exist, then the Cp value (spread of the data)  is good but not the Cpk...you need to adjust the mean to a more nominal condition.

ETA: the "high Std Dev" issues bugs me though. I'm not convinced you have a 1.33 Cpk with a "high stddev"...let me kick some numbers around.
10/3/2016 6:37:52 PM EDT
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Go back to formula.
10/3/2016 6:40:07 PM EDT
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BACK to formula huh........
10/3/2016 6:42:57 PM EDT
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Since this is a stats class, I believe the answer will be to increase your sample size

Law of Large Numbers and all that

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10/3/2016 6:45:25 PM EDT
[#7]
Widen the specification limits.



You're welcome.
10/3/2016 6:50:57 PM EDT
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Fudge the numbers to get it within specification limits.
10/3/2016 6:57:33 PM EDT
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Too much standard deviation means the process has too low a Cp value.  Improve the process.
10/3/2016 7:03:03 PM EDT
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This. Meaning convert the numbers into usable data. I always thought it was for when the numbers where all over the place, but it might work.

or run another test/use different samples?

Run different test? Are you sure they used the right one?
10/3/2016 7:03:58 PM EDT
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but how?


I think that's what they are trying to do.
10/3/2016 8:30:35 PM EDT
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I think that's what they are trying to do.
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Too much standard deviation means the process has too low a Cp value. Improve the process.




but how?





I think that's what they are trying to do.
Without knowing the process not much we can go on.
10/3/2016 8:50:12 PM EDT
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I appreciate the help fellas. Was sort of the road I was taking. Thanks for input.
10/3/2016 9:03:36 PM EDT
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I came to post this.

Either that, or reduce your sample size to one (1).
10/3/2016 11:16:12 PM EDT
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but how?


I think that's what they are trying to do.
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Too much standard deviation means the process has too low a Cp value. Improve the process.


but how?


I think that's what they are trying to do.



Fuck it...go X-bar, bar...average of the average.
Group the data into subgroups and run that.

There are lies, damn lies, and then; statistics.
10/3/2016 11:33:05 PM EDT
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Fuck it...go X-bar, bar...average of the average.
Group the data into subgroups and run that.

There are lies, damn lies, and then; statistics.
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Too much standard deviation means the process has too low a Cp value. Improve the process.


but how?


I think that's what they are trying to do.



Fuck it...go X-bar, bar...average of the average.
Group the data into subgroups and run that.

There are lies, damn lies, and then; statistics.


I like The Law of Lesser and Greater Errors.  It all balances out in the end.

10/4/2016 2:38:30 AM EDT
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Walk into the office at 8am and drop the class....

if you're lost already it's not gonna get better....

unless you hire a tutor ASAP.....
10/4/2016 2:39:58 AM EDT
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Mornings.

I thought you said statists.