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8/23/2013 2:14:20 PM EDT

The mother of a first-grader with autism who uses a service dog is challenging a decision that the girl must change schools because her teacher is allergic to dog dander.
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http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/education/dander-dilemma-teachers-allergy-athen-ohio-girls-service-dog-at-odds

I mean the nerve of that teacher, That teacher should just quit her job and commit seppuku for being so disgraceful to the teaching profession.  Money grubbing bitch, she's only a teacher because she wants summers off and couldn't pass anything else in college.

8/23/2013 2:15:39 PM EDT
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Well that's a difficult one. It pits the ADA against the ADA.

Hmmmmmmm.....
8/23/2013 2:17:31 PM EDT
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Get a standard poodle as a service dog.
8/23/2013 2:18:54 PM EDT
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Yeah. Kinda like a Tennis match between Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder.
8/23/2013 2:19:29 PM EDT
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Or a Seeing Eye Cat
8/23/2013 2:20:42 PM EDT
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Or a Seeing Eye Cat


Alas, the only one has passed.
8/23/2013 2:25:55 PM EDT
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The news site posted it to their Facebook page, and I'll be damned its like an ARFCOM reunion where all the mouthbreathers are crucifying the teacher saying:

1) She should just suck it up as she is there to SERVE the child

2) She just take a Claritin

3) She should quit

4) The school should move the teacher, not kid

5) blah blah blah blah

Basically 150+ replies stating the above.

Here's what I think, why disrupt all of the other children because of one?  It would be more disrupting to the entire class to move the teacher versus the student.  While the school district does have to make accommodations for service related dogs IE: Blind.  They don't for 'therapy' dogs. They also don't have to make accommodations at THAT school, as long as its in district and the district does the bussing they have met their requirements. The same people above slamming the teacher, would be the same ones crying their child has a peanut allergy so they school must be a peanut free zone.
8/23/2013 2:28:50 PM EDT
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The news site posted it to their Facebook page, and I'll be damned its like an ARFCOM reunion where all the mouthbreathers are crucifying the teacher saying:



1) She should just suck it up as she is there to SERVE the child



2) She just take a Claritin



3) She should quit



4) The school should move the teacher, not kid



5) blah blah blah blah



Basically 150+ replies stating the above.



Here's what I think, why disrupt all of the other children because of one?  It would be more disrupting to the entire class to move the teacher versus the student.  While the school district does have to make accommodations for service related dogs IE: Blind.  They don't for 'therapy' dogs. They also don't have to make accommodations at THAT school, as long as its in district and the district does the bussing they have met their requirements. The same people above slamming the teacher, would be the same ones crying their child has a peanut allergy so they school must be a peanut free zone.
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I don't believe that's correct. At least in IL some recent court cases would suggest that you have to give the autism dog as much leeway as a seeing eye dog.
8/23/2013 2:32:41 PM EDT
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Funny, your from Florida and your posting this story from Ohio. I thought it was the local story of a boy who has a serious disability and needs his dog. The school refuses for him to bring the dog because it's not covered under the current insurance.
8/23/2013 2:36:59 PM EDT
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The news site posted it to their Facebook page, and I'll be damned its like an ARFCOM reunion where all the mouthbreathers are crucifying the teacher saying:

1) She should just suck it up as she is there to SERVE the child

2) She just take a Claritin

3) She should quit

4) The school should move the teacher, not kid

5) blah blah blah blah

Basically 150+ replies stating the above.

Here's what I think, why disrupt all of the other children because of one?  It would be more disrupting to the entire class to move the teacher versus the student.  While the school district does have to make accommodations for service related dogs IE: Blind.  They don't for 'therapy' dogs. They also don't have to make accommodations at THAT school, as long as its in district and the district does the bussing they have met their requirements. The same people above slamming the teacher, would be the same ones crying their child has a peanut allergy so they school must be a peanut free zone.

  I don't believe that's correct. At least in IL some recent court cases would suggest that you have to give the autism dog as much leeway as a seeing eye dog.


Service dog /= therapy dog. Service dog is for disabilities, including autism, and performs some function for its person. Therapy dog visits nursing homes, hospitals, abused children and such.

They are NOT the same thing, and the disability does not have to be visually apparent to the casual observer. It can be anything from diabetes to seizures, to autism, to deafness, to blindness.

8/23/2013 2:40:19 PM EDT
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Meh. I doubt the special snowflake really needs the dog and his parents just never learned to tell him no.
8/23/2013 2:42:44 PM EDT
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I refer you to the dreadful autism thread we had a couple days ago. If the "special snowflake" was a holy terror without the dog, and could maintain his shit with the dog, don't you think the dog might be considered worthwhile?
8/23/2013 2:48:07 PM EDT
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What kind of disability do I need to qualify for Rape Sloth?























....Yeah, I don't want that one.





8/23/2013 3:02:47 PM EDT
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's only a teacher because she wants summers off and couldn't pass anything else in college.

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When I went to college this was absolutely the case. I think it was different long ago, and I think there are some great people who truly want to teach, but the education program at my school was well known as a vocational school for low IQ females.


But, if the government is going to make school compulsory, they need to accommodate all of the children over accommodating the government employees.

Move the teacher to another class/school or shitcan her/him. When you get in the game of using threat of force to make someone do something you have lost the high ground in the argument.

I have zero sympathy for the teacher in this one.

The government made its bed, let it lie in it.

8/23/2013 3:04:36 PM EDT
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for the entire New "service" animal madness.
8/23/2013 3:05:15 PM EDT
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When I went to college this was absolutely the case. I think it was different long ago, and I think there are some great people who truly want to teach, but the education program at my school was well known as a vocational school for low IQ females.


But, if the government is going to make school compulsory, they need to accommodate all of the children over accommodating the government employees.

Move the teacher to another class/school or shitcan her/him. When you get in the game of using threat of force to make someone do something you have lost the high ground in the argument.

I have zero sympathy for the teacher in this one.

The government made it's bed, let it lie in it.

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's only a teacher because she wants summers off and couldn't pass anything else in college.




When I went to college this was absolutely the case. I think it was different long ago, and I think there are some great people who truly want to teach, but the education program at my school was well known as a vocational school for low IQ females.


But, if the government is going to make school compulsory, they need to accommodate all of the children over accommodating the government employees.

Move the teacher to another class/school or shitcan her/him. When you get in the game of using threat of force to make someone do something you have lost the high ground in the argument.

I have zero sympathy for the teacher in this one.

The government made it's bed, let it lie in it.



I like the cut of your jib. Do you have a newsletter?
8/23/2013 3:09:21 PM EDT
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The teacher just needs to get herself an Allergy Parrot.

Dueling disabilities.


8/23/2013 3:16:14 PM EDT
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When I went to college this was absolutely the case. I think it was different long ago, and I think there are some great people who truly want to teach, but the education program at my school was well known as a vocational school for low IQ females.


But, if the government is going to make school compulsory, they need to accommodate all of the children over accommodating the government employees.

Move the teacher to another class/school or shitcan her/him. When you get in the game of using threat of force to make someone do something you have lost the high ground in the argument.

I have zero sympathy for the teacher in this one.

The government made its bed, let it lie in it.

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's only a teacher because she wants summers off and couldn't pass anything else in college.




When I went to college this was absolutely the case. I think it was different long ago, and I think there are some great people who truly want to teach, but the education program at my school was well known as a vocational school for low IQ females.


But, if the government is going to make school compulsory, they need to accommodate all of the children over accommodating the government employees.

Move the teacher to another class/school or shitcan her/him. When you get in the game of using threat of force to make someone do something you have lost the high ground in the argument.

I have zero sympathy for the teacher in this one.

The government made its bed, let it lie in it.



The teacher didn't choose to be allergic...

Also it is very hard to find good Autism teachers. Can't just replace them on a whim.

Also federal law says the child should receive a free and public education. She will at the new school. Longer bus ride sucks for the girl, but hardly the worst thing I've seen in sepcial ed.
8/23/2013 3:16:33 PM EDT
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Poor teachers already suffering by only making $70,000 a year and a small co pay for a long 8 month school year. Next you have to add in the fact every teacher in the US suffers financialy by spending half their salary on pencils and paper according to every teacher I've ever heard and and, meh fuck her she's probably in the Commie fucking NEA, I'll go with the kid on this one.
8/23/2013 3:18:35 PM EDT
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Poor teachers already suffering by only making $70,000 a year and a small co pay for a long 8 month school year. Next you have to add in the fact every teacher in the US suffers financialy by spending half their salary on pencils and paper according to every teacher I've ever heard and and, meh fuck her she's probably in the Commie fucking NEA, I'll go with the kid on this one.
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Every teacher thread I see you always post this $70,000 number...and I still don't know where you get it from.

The average US teacher salary is around 56K.
8/23/2013 3:23:02 PM EDT
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If the teacher is hot, make the kid move. Teacher wins. Besides, the teacher was there first.
8/23/2013 3:23:05 PM EDT
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Poor teachers already suffering by only making $70,000 a year and a small co pay for a long 8 month school year. Next you have to add in the fact every teacher in the US suffers financialy by spending half their salary on pencils and paper according to every teacher I've ever heard and and, meh fuck her she's probably in the Commie fucking NEA, I'll go with the kid on this one.
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Mrs Reno has been teaching for 11 years now and makes 39K.  

...and now I have to go out and get her an allergy parrot too.


8/23/2013 3:25:48 PM EDT
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I refer you to the dreadful autism thread we had a couple days ago. If the "special snowflake" was a holy terror without the dog, and could maintain his shit with the dog, don't you think the dog might be considered worthwhile?
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Meh. I doubt the special snowflake really needs the dog and his parents just never learned to tell him no.


I refer you to the dreadful autism thread we had a couple days ago. If the "special snowflake" was a holy terror without the dog, and could maintain his shit with the dog, don't you think the dog might be considered worthwhile?


Whatever did we do with these snowflakes before accommodating their every whim?
8/23/2013 3:26:48 PM EDT
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The girl should trade the dog in on a service iguana.





8/23/2013 3:32:43 PM EDT
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Meh. I doubt the special snowflake really needs the dog and his parents just never learned to tell him no.


I refer you to the dreadful autism thread we had a couple days ago. If the "special snowflake" was a holy terror without the dog, and could maintain his shit with the dog, don't you think the dog might be considered worthwhile?


Whatever did we do with these snowflakes before accommodating their every whim?


Look up the documentary The Last Disgrace.
8/23/2013 3:40:18 PM EDT
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Meh. I doubt the special snowflake really needs the dog and his parents just never learned to tell him no.


I refer you to the dreadful autism thread we had a couple days ago. If the "special snowflake" was a holy terror without the dog, and could maintain his shit with the dog, don't you think the dog might be considered worthwhile?


Whatever did we do with these snowflakes before accommodating their every whim?


Oh, I don't know. Let's see, how about institutionalized them in state-run facilities that were chronically underfunded and known for abuse of all kinds including physical and sexual?






So much better...


8/23/2013 3:56:57 PM EDT
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The teacher didn't choose to be allergic...

Also it is very hard to find good Autism teachers. Can't just replace them on a whim.

Also federal law says the child should receive a free and public education. She will at the new school. Longer bus ride sucks for the girl, but hardly the worst thing I've seen in sepcial ed.
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's only a teacher because she wants summers off and couldn't pass anything else in college.




When I went to college this was absolutely the case. I think it was different long ago, and I think there are some great people who truly want to teach, but the education program at my school was well known as a vocational school for low IQ females.


But, if the government is going to make school compulsory, they need to accommodate all of the children over accommodating the government employees.

Move the teacher to another class/school or shitcan her/him. When you get in the game of using threat of force to make someone do something you have lost the high ground in the argument.

I have zero sympathy for the teacher in this one.

The government made its bed, let it lie in it.



The teacher didn't choose to be allergic...

Also it is very hard to find good Autism teachers. Can't just replace them on a whim.

Also federal law says the child should receive a free and public education. She will at the new school. Longer bus ride sucks for the girl, but hardly the worst thing I've seen in sepcial ed.


I see Ohio has a voucher program. I don't know the details, but if I were the mother I would take advantage of it and send the kid to private school.


8/23/2013 4:02:54 PM EDT
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Mrs Reno has been teaching for 11 years now and makes 39K.  

...and now I have to go out and get her an allergy parrot too.


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Poor teachers already suffering by only making $70,000 a year and a small co pay for a long 8 month school year. Next you have to add in the fact every teacher in the US suffers financialy by spending half their salary on pencils and paper according to every teacher I've ever heard and and, meh fuck her she's probably in the Commie fucking NEA, I'll go with the kid on this one.



Mrs Reno has been teaching for 11 years now and makes 39K.  

...and now I have to go out and get her an allergy parrot too.




My wifes 10th year teaching, 38,600 salary, self funded pension and crappy health insurance.  

Believe me, I wish my wife made 70K, I'd have a new boat then.
8/23/2013 4:03:53 PM EDT
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Wouldn't a kid with autism this severe that needs a therapy dog be in a self-contained ESE classroom? They would in my school. I wish I made $70,000. I only make half that.
8/23/2013 4:04:24 PM EDT
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I see Ohio has a voucher program. I don't know the details, but if I were the mother I would take advantage of it and send the kid to private school.


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's only a teacher because she wants summers off and couldn't pass anything else in college.




When I went to college this was absolutely the case. I think it was different long ago, and I think there are some great people who truly want to teach, but the education program at my school was well known as a vocational school for low IQ females.


But, if the government is going to make school compulsory, they need to accommodate all of the children over accommodating the government employees.

Move the teacher to another class/school or shitcan her/him. When you get in the game of using threat of force to make someone do something you have lost the high ground in the argument.

I have zero sympathy for the teacher in this one.

The government made its bed, let it lie in it.



The teacher didn't choose to be allergic...

Also it is very hard to find good Autism teachers. Can't just replace them on a whim.

Also federal law says the child should receive a free and public education. She will at the new school. Longer bus ride sucks for the girl, but hardly the worst thing I've seen in sepcial ed.


I see Ohio has a voucher program. I don't know the details, but if I were the mother I would take advantage of it and send the kid to private school.




You mean a group home? A private school doesn't have to accept the window licker or the dog.

The benfits of teaching in private schools, is you don't have to deal with the shitheads.

8/23/2013 4:14:25 PM EDT
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You mean a group home? A private school doesn't have to accept the window licker or the dog.

The benfits of teaching in private schools, is you don't have to deal with the shitheads.

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's only a teacher because she wants summers off and couldn't pass anything else in college.




When I went to college this was absolutely the case. I think it was different long ago, and I think there are some great people who truly want to teach, but the education program at my school was well known as a vocational school for low IQ females.


But, if the government is going to make school compulsory, they need to accommodate all of the children over accommodating the government employees.

Move the teacher to another class/school or shitcan her/him. When you get in the game of using threat of force to make someone do something you have lost the high ground in the argument.

I have zero sympathy for the teacher in this one.

The government made its bed, let it lie in it.



The teacher didn't choose to be allergic...

Also it is very hard to find good Autism teachers. Can't just replace them on a whim.

Also federal law says the child should receive a free and public education. She will at the new school. Longer bus ride sucks for the girl, but hardly the worst thing I've seen in sepcial ed.


I see Ohio has a voucher program. I don't know the details, but if I were the mother I would take advantage of it and send the kid to private school.




You mean a group home? A private school doesn't have to accept the window licker or the dog.

The benfits of teaching in private schools, is you don't have to deal with the shitheads.



Exactly. The private school has no obligation to serve her. In public school the student will be guaranteed accommodations and supports.
8/23/2013 4:16:48 PM EDT
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Steel cage match?
8/23/2013 4:19:43 PM EDT
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's only a teacher because she wants summers off and couldn't pass anything else in college.




When I went to college this was absolutely the case. I think it was different long ago, and I think there are some great people who truly want to teach, but the education program at my school was well known as a vocational school for low IQ females.


But, if the government is going to make school compulsory, they need to accommodate all of the children over accommodating the government employees.

Move the teacher to another class/school or shitcan her/him. When you get in the game of using threat of force to make someone do something you have lost the high ground in the argument.

I have zero sympathy for the teacher in this one.

The government made its bed, let it lie in it.



The teacher didn't choose to be allergic...

Also it is very hard to find good Autism teachers. Can't just replace them on a whim.

Also federal law says the child should receive a free and public education. She will at the new school. Longer bus ride sucks for the girl, but hardly the worst thing I've seen in sepcial ed.


I see Ohio has a voucher program. I don't know the details, but if I were the mother I would take advantage of it and send the kid to private school.




You mean a group home? A private school doesn't have to accept the window licker or the dog.

The benfits of teaching in private schools, is you don't have to deal with the shitheads.



No, just saying that if schooling is compulsory, AND there is a voucher system, I would try to use it. I know additional money would likely have to be supplied.

I just think that if a government takes your money at the point of a gun, and tell you your children MUST go to school at the point of a gun, and that in order to go to a certain school you must have a residence in a certain district, and you set up residence in that district, only for the school to say that your child will be bussed to another district because a Government employee has a health issue, there is a problem.

The problem is NOT with the child (or the dog). The problem is with the Government employee.

Fix the problem, not the child.
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Steel cage match?

To the death!!!

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No, just saying that if schooling is compulsory, AND there is a voucher system, I would try to use it. I know additional money would likely have to be supplied.

I just think that if a government takes your money at the point of a gun, and tell you your children MUST go to school at the point of a gun, and that in order to go to a certain school you must have a residence in a certain district, and you set up residence in that district, only for the school to say that your child will be bussed to another district because a Government employee has a health issue, there is a problem.

The problem is NOT with the child (or the dog). The problem is with the Government employee.

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So fire the teacher because she is allergic?  So if you worked in an office setting and was highly allergic to dogs and a new-hire brought a service dog your company should fire you?

Youre confusing what a 'district' is.  Hell most districts offer some sort of school choice or force crosstown busing now, you know for the whole integration thing.

The district as a whole has to service the child, not every school, and not the nearest school to your residence either.  Not every school is setup to service every disability, IE not every school has an EBD class, or severe and profound class, or a visually impaired class.  

Honestly its people like you, and think you like, which is why this country is so fucked up.  "I want it my way, and I demand it my way right now"
8/23/2013 4:28:53 PM EDT
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What about the other autistic students the teacher has built a rapport with?

Say you do move the teacher. Another teacher will have to be moved to replace her. What about that teacher's students that they have built a rapport with.

Look at it this way. The child will get the education and supports regardless. Do you move two people, or give the kid a bus ride that lasts a few minutes longer?

8/23/2013 4:30:14 PM EDT
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The news site posted it to their Facebook page, and I'll be damned its like an ARFCOM reunion where all the mouthbreathers are crucifying the teacher saying:

1) She should just suck it up as she is there to SERVE the child

2) She just take a Claritin

3) She should quit

4) The school should move the teacher, not kid

5) blah blah blah blah

Basically 150+ replies stating the above.

Here's what I think, why disrupt all of the other children because of one?  It would be more disrupting to the entire class to move the teacher versus the student.  While the school district does have to make accommodations for service related dogs IE: Blind.  They don't for 'therapy' dogs. They also don't have to make accommodations at THAT school, as long as its in district and the district does the bussing they have met their requirements. The same people above slamming the teacher, would be the same ones crying their child has a peanut allergy so they school must be a peanut free zone.
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Because every child is a special snowflake.  Every year I see them mainstreaming more kids into the school system that have no business being in the general population.  Kids with behavior issues so severe that they pose a threat to classmates and teachers because parents don't want to face the facts.
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What about the other autistic students the teacher has built a rapport with?



Say you do move the teacher. Another teacher will have to be moved to replace her. What about that teacher's students that they have built a rapport with.



Look at it this way. The child will get the education and supports regardless. Do you move two people, or give the kid a bus ride that lasts a few minutes longer?



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Districts HATE having to move personnel around even when the teachers want the move.



Parents demandings teachers be transferred? Teachers making $70,000 in small towns? I REALLY want to know where some of you people live.





 
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Districts HATE having to move personnel around even when the teachers want the move.

Parents demandings teachers be transferred? Teachers making $70,000 in small towns? I REALLY want to know where some of you people live.

 
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What about the other autistic students the teacher has built a rapport with?

Say you do move the teacher. Another teacher will have to be moved to replace her. What about that teacher's students that they have built a rapport with.

Look at it this way. The child will get the education and supports regardless. Do you move two people, or give the kid a bus ride that lasts a few minutes longer?


Districts HATE having to move personnel around even when the teachers want the move.

Parents demandings teachers be transferred? Teachers making $70,000 in small towns? I REALLY want to know where some of you people live.

 


I agree, we can move both our families so we both can buy boats with the 100% raises.  
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So fire the teacher because she is allergic?  So if you worked in an office setting and was highly allergic to dogs and a new-hire brought a service dog your company should fire you?

Youre confusing what a 'district' is.  Hell most districts offer some sort of school choice or force crosstown busing now, you know for the whole integration thing.

The district as a whole has to service the child, not every school, and not the nearest school to your residence either.  Not every school is setup to service every disability, IE not every school has an EBD class, or severe and profound class, or a visually impaired class.  

Honestly its people like you, and think you like, which is why this country is so fucked up.  "I want it my way, and I demand it my way right now"
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No, just saying that if schooling is compulsory, AND there is a voucher system, I would try to use it. I know additional money would likely have to be supplied.

I just think that if a government takes your money at the point of a gun, and tell you your children MUST go to school at the point of a gun, and that in order to go to a certain school you must have a residence in a certain district, and you set up residence in that district, only for the school to say that your child will be bussed to another district because a Government employee has a health issue, there is a problem.

The problem is NOT with the child (or the dog). The problem is with the Government employee.

Fix the problem, not the child.


So fire the teacher because she is allergic?  So if you worked in an office setting and was highly allergic to dogs and a new-hire brought a service dog your company should fire you?

Youre confusing what a 'district' is.  Hell most districts offer some sort of school choice or force crosstown busing now, you know for the whole integration thing.

The district as a whole has to service the child, not every school, and not the nearest school to your residence either.  Not every school is setup to service every disability, IE not every school has an EBD class, or severe and profound class, or a visually impaired class.  

Honestly its people like you, and think you like, which is why this country is so fucked up.  "I want it my way, and I demand it my way right now"


Thanks for the personal attack. I would say that it is Government sticking its nose where it doesn't belong that has this nation so fucked up. If I were to go to a private business and yell "I want it my way, and I demand it my way right now," I would wholeheartedly support the business owner who told me to get fucked.

But public education isn't a private business.

Would I get special consideration if I were a fair skinned redhead trying to make a career as a lifeguard? A vegan PETA member butcher? A river guide that is scared of water? A construction worker afraid of heights? A food scientist with no sense of taste?
Nope. I would get shitcanned, and rightfully so.

But, a Government employee has an allergy so we then change the child's circumstances instead of the employee's. Fucking brilliant.  

Fuck it. Just give me my full 20 minutes. I want off.

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If you call that a personal attack, you must be a liberal DU troll, put your big girl panties on and read ahead.


Disrupt the many, instead of the one makes no sense.

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Since the student is too young to have tits, the teacher wins by default.  Unless she's really, really fat or ugly.  I guess we need a picture to be sure.
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There are drugs for allergies.  If the teacher were dedicated, she wouldn't have a problem with it.




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Well, if that isn't a personal attack then I guess I don't know what a personal attack is. I can roll with it. I really don't care.

But I do care when a Government entity feels entitled to boss around those it serves. The entire position of the Government employee exists, in theory, to serve the public. The public is heterogeneous. If a Government employee can't deal with a heterogeneous group, then it is the employee's problem, not the public's.

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Because every child is a special snowflake.  Every year I see them mainstreaming more kids into the school system that have no business being in the general population.  Kids with behavior issues so severe that they pose a threat to classmates and teachers because parents don't want to face the facts.
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The news site posted it to their Facebook page, and I'll be damned its like an ARFCOM reunion where all the mouthbreathers are crucifying the teacher saying:

1) She should just suck it up as she is there to SERVE the child

2) She just take a Claritin

3) She should quit

4) The school should move the teacher, not kid

5) blah blah blah blah

Basically 150+ replies stating the above.

Here's what I think, why disrupt all of the other children because of one?  It would be more disrupting to the entire class to move the teacher versus the student.  While the school district does have to make accommodations for service related dogs IE: Blind.  They don't for 'therapy' dogs. They also don't have to make accommodations at THAT school, as long as its in district and the district does the bussing they have met their requirements. The same people above slamming the teacher, would be the same ones crying their child has a peanut allergy so they school must be a peanut free zone.


Because every child is a special snowflake.  Every year I see them mainstreaming more kids into the school system that have no business being in the general population.  Kids with behavior issues so severe that they pose a threat to classmates and teachers because parents don't want to face the facts.



I'm in my mid thirties now, but back when I was in high school, they had some "troubled" kids that should have never been around normal people.  There was on in an elective class that I took that one day didn't show back up for class.  We later learned that she had finally snapped and attempted to stab her mother to death with a pair of scissors.  Thankfully, the day she finally snapped, she was at home and not at school.
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Well, if that isn't a personal attack then I guess I don't know what a personal attack is. I can roll with it. I really don't care.

But I do care when a Government entity feels entitled to boss around those it serves. The entire position of the Government employee exists, in theory, to serve the public. The public is heterogeneous. If a Government employee can't deal with a heterogeneous group, then it is the employee's problem, not the public's.

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Well, if that isn't a personal attack then I guess I don't know what a personal attack is. I can roll with it. I really don't care.

But I do care when a Government entity feels entitled to boss around those it serves. The entire position of the Government employee exists, in theory, to serve the public. The public is heterogeneous. If a Government employee can't deal with a heterogeneous group, then it is the employee's problem, not the public's.




The teacher is there to teach every student in that class.  Moving the student changes things for one student.  Moving the teacher changes things for every student.

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I see Ohio has a voucher program. I don't know the details, but if I were the mother I would take advantage of it and send the kid to private school.


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's only a teacher because she wants summers off and couldn't pass anything else in college.




When I went to college this was absolutely the case. I think it was different long ago, and I think there are some great people who truly want to teach, but the education program at my school was well known as a vocational school for low IQ females.


But, if the government is going to make school compulsory, they need to accommodate all of the children over accommodating the government employees.

Move the teacher to another class/school or shitcan her/him. When you get in the game of using threat of force to make someone do something you have lost the high ground in the argument.

I have zero sympathy for the teacher in this one.

The government made its bed, let it lie in it.



The teacher didn't choose to be allergic...

Also it is very hard to find good Autism teachers. Can't just replace them on a whim.

Also federal law says the child should receive a free and public education. She will at the new school. Longer bus ride sucks for the girl, but hardly the worst thing I've seen in sepcial ed.


I see Ohio has a voucher program. I don't know the details, but if I were the mother I would take advantage of it and send the kid to private school.




private special ed facilities can cost anywhere from $75-250 thousand per year, per student...
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Exactly. The private school has no obligation to serve her. In public school the student will be guaranteed accommodations and supports.
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If a private school did accept her, the home district could still be held financially liable for meeting her IEP requirements...
Additionally, public school districts typically provide personnel to provide SPED services to identified students attending private schools (non-private SPED institutions).
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The teacher is there to teach every student in that class.  Moving the student changes things for one student.  Moving the teacher changes things for every student.

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Well, if that isn't a personal attack then I guess I don't know what a personal attack is. I can roll with it. I really don't care.

But I do care when a Government entity feels entitled to boss around those it serves. The entire position of the Government employee exists, in theory, to serve the public. The public is heterogeneous. If a Government employee can't deal with a heterogeneous group, then it is the employee's problem, not the public's.




The teacher is there to teach every student in that class.  Moving the student changes things for one student.  Moving the teacher changes things for every student.



A perfectly good way of thinking, for a PRIVATE school.

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No, just saying that if schooling is compulsory, AND there is a voucher system, I would try to use it. I know additional money would likely have to be supplied.

I just think that if a government takes your money at the point of a gun, and tell you your children MUST go to school at the point of a gun, and that in order to go to a certain school you must have a residence in a certain district, and you set up residence in that district, only for the school to say that your child will be bussed to another district because a Government employee has a health issue, there is a problem.

The problem is NOT with the child (or the dog). The problem is with the Government employee.

Fix the problem, not the child.
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When I went to college this was absolutely the case. I think it was different long ago, and I think there are some great people who truly want to teach, but the education program at my school was well known as a vocational school for low IQ females.


But, if the government is going to make school compulsory, they need to accommodate all of the children over accommodating the government employees.

Move the teacher to another class/school or shitcan her/him. When you get in the game of using threat of force to make someone do something you have lost the high ground in the argument.

I have zero sympathy for the teacher in this one.

The government made its bed, let it lie in it.



The teacher didn't choose to be allergic...

Also it is very hard to find good Autism teachers. Can't just replace them on a whim.

Also federal law says the child should receive a free and public education. She will at the new school. Longer bus ride sucks for the girl, but hardly the worst thing I've seen in sepcial ed.


I see Ohio has a voucher program. I don't know the details, but if I were the mother I would take advantage of it and send the kid to private school.




You mean a group home? A private school doesn't have to accept the window licker or the dog.

The benfits of teaching in private schools, is you don't have to deal with the shitheads.



No, just saying that if schooling is compulsory, AND there is a voucher system, I would try to use it. I know additional money would likely have to be supplied.

I just think that if a government takes your money at the point of a gun, and tell you your children MUST go to school at the point of a gun, and that in order to go to a certain school you must have a residence in a certain district, and you set up residence in that district, only for the school to say that your child will be bussed to another district because a Government employee has a health issue, there is a problem.

The problem is NOT with the child (or the dog). The problem is with the Government employee.

Fix the problem, not the child.

How about we stop "mainstreaming" everyone with a pulse?
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