[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Amusing Post From GD (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 5/12/2010 1:29:20 PM EDT
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Found this gem in a now locked thread
The most prevalent prior occupation of most cops was, is, and will probably always be, military. If he wants to complain about crew cut haircuts he should take it up with the former military guys who bring that stuff over. Plus, I know cops from the old days - my father & his friends joined in the early 1970s, my sgt in 1979, my lt in 1982, and my sidepartner/best friend in 1986. Those guys were some brutal motherfuckers...only everybody thinks of Normal Rockwell paintings because there were no video cameras around back then. Thirty years ago, police departments were full of veterans: WWII, Korean War, Vietnam, Cold War veterans. When...
- the quicky, 2-year, academically suspect community college criminal justice degree replaced honorable discharge papers in the application process, - and the draft ended, - and police officers became unionized civil servants with delusions of "professionalism", ...it only took a generation for cops to become alienated from the military and start acting like civil servants. Unfortunately, this coincided with the "militarization" of our police. They would have joined the marines, but that was so much more demanding than the relatively cushy lifestyle of a civilian LEO, so instead, they join the cops but really dream of the day they can join the SWAT team. It allows them to indulge in their military fantasies without deploying or dealing with people who can shoot back (most of the time.) Until they get on the SWAT team, they lift weights, fap to the Blackhawk catalog and "Die Hard" movies, get crew cut hair cuts, and generally treat the citizenry with the contempt of an occupying army. When you encounter a cop, you can tell within a minute whether he views himself as a "peace officer" (i.e. "social worker with a gun - an officer who comes upon a situation and restores the peace") or a frustrated commando. When he calls you "sir" he really means "asshole." When he talks about "civilians," he really means "assholes," even if that "civilian" is a decorated paratrooper. He doesn't wear shoes, he favors some paramilitary style boot....even if he will never have to do a forced march. He wears a "high and tight" even though he was never a Marine. He doesn't shake hands, and he even wears special leather gloves with metal inserts for that "brass knuckle" effect. He spends hours on his gun fighter techniques, but doesn't bother to learn the basics of the second language used in his precinct. Even though he has plenty of opportunity to serve in a war during the last twenty years, he seems to have avoided doing so. He views his occupation as being on the "front lines" of some abstract "war," maybe a "war on crime" or a "war on drugs." If he is at war, who is his "enemy?" Is his beat "enemy territory?" Is every "civilian" a potential "insurgent?" |
GD never fails to disappoint.
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if you went into the houses I go into, talk with the people I talk with, you wouldn't want to shake hands either.
I spray the soles of my paramilitary boots with bleach each night before I bring them into my house for this same reason. It's funny how we bring the hate, I have never heard of anyone pissing and moaning about a firefighter not shaking hands, but we all go to the same collisions and check welfare calls. . . Oh well, back to planning my occupation and shining my boot tips. Some much easier to step on peoples rights when your boot reflects light like a mirror. . . |
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It's always amusing to read this type of hypocrisy here. After all, AR15.com is a board dedicated to the discussion of civilian ownership of military style weapons, and he thinks the cops are the posers???
Pretty much everything he listed describes the average ARFcommer to a T, except the weight lifting part... 
And since when is it offensive to call someone 'sir'??? 
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And since when is it offensive to call someone 'sir'??? You've obviously never been in the .mil. "Sir" can EASILY be made into a derogatory term... like "shipmate," or "Marine," or "Devildog," etc. It's all in the tone of voice. "Officer" is a polite form of address when dealing with a Police Officer, but how often have you heard it twisted to be a snide remark? |
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While I generally agree with most of the LE posts, here, I do know and have known police officers to look upon and treat civilians like crap––even those who work on the same department (i.e., CSOs, Dispatcher, Accreditation Manager––which I am).
There seems to be no getting through to them. I would love any suggestions on how to deal with the minority of officers out there who DO, in fact, posess this attitude. |
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Oh noes, us hose draggers have short hair and 'paramilitary boots' too! I don't trust the average Arfcommer any more than a random dude on the street, and posts like that are why (although, like someone said, I often wonder how many of these posts are just someone stirring the pot.) |
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While I generally agree with most of the LE posts, here, I do know and have known police officers to look upon and treat civilians like crap––even those who work on the same department (i.e., CSOs, Dispatcher, Accreditation Manager––which I am). There seems to be no getting through to them. I would love any suggestions on how to deal with the minority of officers out there who DO, in fact, posess this attitude. They'll get theirs. I go out of my way to be nice to our civilian personnel. First, because it is the right thing to do. Second, because they can either make your life hell, or help you out a lot. |
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Thank you. I am sure that the non-sworn where you work appreciate it. The majority of police officers are decent human beings, but a small minority are jerks. (Heck a small minority in any business, fire, police, medical, engineering, and any industry are jerks. The difference is the Po-Po have guns and know how to be intimidating). Again, thanks for being a good guy! mfm |
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Quoted: I'm tempted to start posting stories in the GD about all the idiots I run into with guns on a daily basis (thugs, bangers, etc) and make sweeping judgments about the rest of society based on my interaction with those few morons. You'd just be wasting your breath and encouraging the trolls. You might even get lucky enough for someone to try and Arock you.  Quoted: thedoctors308 Thank you. I am sure that the non-sworn where you work appreciate it. The majority of police officers are decent human beings, but a small minority are jerks. (Heck a small minority in any business, fire, police, medical, engineering, and any industry are jerks. The difference is the Po-Po have guns and know how to be intimidating). Again, thanks for being a good guy! mfm All us firefighters are saints that rescue kittens and old ladies and you should trust us with your daughters!  (a former member of our department is in jail for shooting his wife and her friend in a public place, sniper style  ) |
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I'm tempted to start posting stories in the GD about all the idiots I run into with guns on a daily basis (thugs, bangers, etc) and make sweeping judgments about the rest of society based on my interaction with those few morons. You'd just be wasting your breath and encouraging the trolls. You might even get lucky enough for someone to try and Arock you.
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thedoctors308 Thank you. I am sure that the non-sworn where you work appreciate it. Themajority of police officers are decent human beings, but a smallminority are jerks. (Heck a small minority in any business, fire,police, medical, engineering, and any industry are jerks. Thedifference is the Po-Po have guns and know how to be intimidating). Again, thanks for being a good guy! mfm All us firefighters are saints that rescue kittens and old ladies and you should trust us with your daughters! In for pics of dau.....  NM.
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All us firefighters are saints that rescue kittens and old ladies and you should trust us with your daughters! (a former member of our department is in jail for shooting his wife and her friend in a public place, sniper style )
We have two here that are registered sex offenders. Getting caught with a prostitute, including under age ones, is not a violation of their dept. policy either. |
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Quoted: Quoted: All us firefighters are saints that rescue kittens and old ladies and you should trust us with your daughters! (a former member of our department is in jail for shooting his wife and her friend in a public place, sniper style )We have two here that are registered sex offenders. Getting caught with a prostitute, including under age ones, is not a violation of their dept. policy either. Really!?! That would get you shown the door right quick here. As Paramedics we come into people's houses and have contact with their children and I can't imagine the uproar that would ensue when someone found out the FD employed a registered sex offender.  |
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He doesn't wear shoes, he favors some paramilitary style boot
Sounds like a smart guy to me! LOL, maybe i should switch to the 5.11 sandal to not upset arfcom. Nah - 5.11 produces equipment for military and law enforcement. Safer bet would be Birkenstocks. |
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When you encounter a cop, you can tell within a minute whether he views himself as a "peace officer" (i.e. "social worker with a gun - an officer who comes upon a situation and restores the peace") or a frustrated commando. When he calls you "sir" he really means "asshole." When he talks about "civilians," he really means "assholes," even if that "civilian" is a decorated paratrooper. He doesn't wear shoes, he favors some paramilitary style boot....even if he will never have to do a forced march. He wears a "high and tight" even though he was never a Marine. He doesn't shake hands, and he even wears special leather gloves with metal inserts for that "brass knuckle" effect. He spends hours on his gun fighter techniques, but doesn't bother to learn the basics of the second language used in his precinct. Even though he has plenty of opportunity to serve in a war during the last twenty years, he seems to have avoided doing so. He views his occupation as being on the "front lines" of some abstract "war," maybe a "war on crime" or a "war on drugs." If he is at war, who is his "enemy?" Is his beat "enemy territory?" Is every "civilian" a potential "insurgent?" An idiot. Oh, and I don't wear shoes because they have no ankle support. What does shoes vs boots have to do with an officers capabilities? Thats a new one, even by GD standards. |
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When you encounter a cop, you can tell within a minute whether he views himself as a "peace officer" (i.e. "social worker with a gun - an officer who comes upon a situation and restores the peace") or a frustrated commando. When he calls you "sir" he really means "asshole." When he talks about "civilians," he really means "assholes," even if that "civilian" is a decorated paratrooper. He doesn't wear shoes, he favors some paramilitary style boot....even if he will never have to do a forced march. He wears a "high and tight" even though he was never a Marine. He doesn't shake hands, and he even wears special leather gloves with metal inserts for that "brass knuckle" effect. He spends hours on his gun fighter techniques, but doesn't bother to learn the basics of the second language used in his precinct. Even though he has plenty of opportunity to serve in a war during the last twenty years, he seems to have avoided doing so. He views his occupation as being on the "front lines" of some abstract "war," maybe a "war on crime" or a "war on drugs." If he is at war, who is his "enemy?" Is his beat "enemy territory?" Is every "civilian" a potential "insurgent?" An idiot. Oh, and I don't wear shoes because they have no ankle support. What does shoes vs boots have to do with an officers capabilities? Thats a new one, even by GD standards. Chasing somebody down wearing Corfram's will quickly convince you to find some fucking boots. 
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Found this gem in a now locked thread The most prevalent prior occupation of most cops was, is, and will probably always be, military. If he wants to complain about crew cut haircuts he should take it up with the former military guys who bring that stuff over. Plus, I know cops from the old days - my father & his friends joined in the early 1970s, my sgt in 1979, my lt in 1982, and my sidepartner/best friend in 1986. Those guys were some brutal motherfuckers...only everybody thinks of Normal Rockwell paintings because there were no video cameras around back then. Thirty years ago, police departments were full of veterans: WWII, Korean War, Vietnam, Cold War veterans.Iraq/Afganistan When...
- the quicky, 2-year, academically suspect community college criminal justice degree replaced honorable discharge papers in the application process, - and the draft ended, - and police officers became unionized civil servants with delusions of "professionalism", ...it only took a generation for cops to become alienated from the military and start acting like civil servants. Unfortunately, this coincided with the "militarization" of our police. They would have joined the marines but they're ghey, US Army FTW , but that was so much more demanding than the relatively cushy lifestyle of a civilian LEOstanding outside watching crime scenes in a hurricane/blizzard for hours on end, so instead, they join the cops but really dream of the day they can join the SWAT teamSee Marines ref.. It allows them to indulge in their military fantasies mine is, i'm at an abandoned FOB with only a couple of my buddies there and a helicopter full of playboy bunnies crashlands due to a sandstorm and they're stuck with us for a week, and then some ghey Navy patrolboat shows up with some dude who always talks in an internal monologue on it without deploying 2 times mothefucker! or dealing with people who can shoot back (most of the time. not in my city! ) Until they get on the SWAT team, they lift weights, fap to the Blackhawk catalog aw shucks  and "Die Hard" movies, get crew cut hair cuts, and generally treat the citizenry with the contempt of an occupying armywe can do this? sweet!.
When you encounter a cop, you can tell within a minute whether he views himself as a "peace officer" (i.e. "social worker with a gun - an officer who comes upon a situation and restores the peace") or a frustrated commando. When he calls you "sir" he really means "asshole. i think that was just for you" When he talks about "civilians," he really means "assholes, again, just you" even if that "civilian" is a decorated paratrooper. He doesn't wear shoes, he favors some paramilitary style boot.what, they're more comfortable...even if he will never have to do a forced march. He wears a "high and tight" even though he was never a Marine. He doesn't shake hands thats cuz he knows you didnt wash after using the bathroom nasty, and he even wears special leather gloves with metal inserts for that "brass knuckle" effect.kinky! He spends hours on his gun fighter techniques, but doesn't bother to learn the basics of the second language used in his precinct. i thought we live in America and only spoke english here? i guess this guys an illegal supporter, damn liberal! Even though he has plenty of opportunity to serve in a war during the last twenty years, he seems to have avoided doing so nope, been there twice and going again. He views his occupation as being on the "front lines" of some abstract "war," maybe a "war on crime" or a "war on drugs." If he is at war, who is his "enemy? thugs" Is his beat "enemy territory? kinda" Is every "civilian" a potential "insurgent? be polite to everyone you meet, but always have a plan to kill them" fixed. |
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alot of hate on here for cops, but thats standard in our society now.
how many officers were killed in 2009? law enforcement is not a "cushy" job. my academy was 22 weeks long and a living hell how long was basic? i believe 8 weeks. give me a fucking break if a wanted to be a soldier it would have been easier to do then get on the pd. |
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I agree on the media bias cop hating society we live in now....................however..............
Having done boot camp and police academy..... You should probly not compare the two. There is NO comparison.......the only similarity is they both PT. The overall goal of academy is to teach you how to be a cop and survive on the street, while being legal. The overall goal of ANY military boot camp is to break you down from the frame of mind you came in at, to the point that you don't really remember what it was like when you were "chilling" with your friends before. Then teach you a set of rules that you will follow or actually be punished for not following. THEN, be built back up with enough confidence in yourself and your training, that you will be able to encounter situations where you go days on end of extremely dangerous and mentally challenging duty, without faltering, failing, or even considering giving up. We all hear about the "military guys" that did not make it in the academy...........lol So, since some guys find it hard in the academy, or they get yelled at a little bit, or they decide to make the accomplishment feel a little more real to themselves, they down play other academies, and even military boot camp!!! Really? Police academy is like passing the Crucible with the Marine Corps?! It is supposed to be like passing Battle Stations with the Navy? Are you shitting me? I have never seen a police academy graduating class from anywhere that had 100% of the grads understand what it really means to take orders.........I think 90% of the cops I know are going to ask why? or what for? with most stupid orders.........else there would not be so much bitching going on in locker room or patrol room...............you know you known the types......every dept has them. When leaving Camp Lejune, or paris island, you will NOT find a graduate even think of asking WHY? Let alone hesitating for one second, when it comes time to kill. That is the biggest difference.......static killer training with most branches. Police can only shoot in certain situations.......so that is how we are trained.............military has a bit more freedom when it comes to shooting. The mind set that is built in one is so vastly diff from the other that it seems so misguided to even consider the two side by side. Thats my .02 for the evening. 
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I agree on the media bias cop hating society we live in now....................however.............. Having done boot camp and police academy..... You should probly not compare the two. There is NO comparison.......the only similarity is they both PT. The overall goal of academy is to teach you how to be a cop and survive on the street, while being legal. The overall goal of ANY military boot camp is to break you down from the frame of mind you came in at, to the point that you don't really remember what it was like when you were "chilling" with your friends before. Then teach you a set of rules that you will follow or actually be punished for not following. THEN, be built back up with enough confidence in yourself and your training, that you will be able to encounter situations where you go days on end of extremely dangerous and mentally challenging duty, without faltering, failing, or even considering giving up. We all hear about the "military guys" that did not make it in the academy...........lol So, since some guys find it hard in the academy, or they get yelled at a little bit, or they decide to make the accomplishment feel a little more real to themselves, they down play other academies, and even military boot camp!!! Really? Police academy is like passing the Crucible with the Marine Corps?! It is supposed to be like passing Battle Stations with the Navy? Are you shitting me? I have never seen a police academy graduating class from anywhere that had 100% of the grads understand what it really means to take orders.........I think 90% of the cops I know are going to ask why? or what for? with most stupid orders.........else there would not be so much bitching going on in locker room or patrol room...............you know you known the types......every dept has them. When leaving Camp Lejune, or paris island, you will NOT find a graduate even think of asking WHY? Let alone hesitating for one second, when it comes time to kill. That is the biggest difference.......static killer training with most branches. Police can only shoot in certain situations.......so that is how we are trained.............military has a bit more freedom when it comes to shooting. The mind set that is built in one is so vastly diff from the other that it seems so misguided to even consider the two side by side. Thats my .02 for the evening. I've been in Both and yes...there is NO comparison.........albeit..........many prior service become LEOs...............why?............Both have one thing in common.............Good cops are wired like good Marines/Soldiers - they have a desire to Serve. Make no mistake though, many LEOs - unfortunately, take this job for a paycheck, pension and bennies. |
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I've been in Both and yes...there is NO comparison.........albeit..........many prior service become LEOs...............why?............Both have one thing in common.............Good cops are wired like good Marines/Soldiers - they have a desire to Serve. Make no mistake though, many LEOs - unfortunately, take this job for a paycheck, pension and bennies. I'm seeing that more and more in this economy. Anyone who wants a "steady job" I try and talk out of law enforcement. |
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Quoted: The dreaded "para-military boot" FEAR THE BOOT! Oh forget about walking in broken glass at wrecks, stepping around blood and fluid, good ankle support,.........There are a bunch of folks in GD who think we (military) wear fatigues & boots because they look tacticool/agresssive... The fact that it's a *safety* thing (esp with the new gore-tex boots) never occurs to them... I'm no LEO, but I wouldn't want to do that job (or any one that potentially involved lots of running through urban environments) in low-quarters & wool dress pants, just to appease some paranoid who thinks that practical clothing & safe footwear = 'Militarization of the Police'.... |
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The dreaded "para-military boot" FEAR THE BOOT! Oh forget about walking in broken glass at wrecks, stepping around blood and fluid, good ankle support,.........There are a bunch of folks in GD who think we (military) wear fatigues & boots because they look tacticool/agresssive... The fact that it's a *safety* thing (esp with the new gore-tex boots) never occurs to them... I'm no LEO, but I wouldn't want to do that job (or any one that potentially involved lots of running through urban environments) in low-quarters & wool dress pants, just to appease some paranoid who thinks that practical clothing & safe footwear = 'Militarization of the Police'.... they are the same people who think 9-11-01 was a government plot |
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The dreaded "para-military boot" FEAR THE BOOT! Oh forget about walking in broken glass at wrecks, stepping around blood and fluid, good ankle support,.........There are a bunch of folks in GD who think we (military) wear fatigues & boots because they look tacticool/agresssive... The fact that it's a *safety* thing (esp with the new gore-tex boots) never occurs to them... I'm no LEO, but I wouldn't want to do that job (or any one that potentially involved lots of running through urban environments) in low-quarters & wool dress pants, just to appease some paranoid who thinks that practical clothing & safe footwear = 'Militarization of the Police'.... they are the same people who think 9-11-01 was a government plot they're also the same ones who think police shouldn't have anything but handguns, rifles = militarization, but by god their right to any weapon they want shouldn't be infringed!!! |
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My jack boots are worn out and I can't find any suppliers.
We wear "combat" boots for ankle support because we often run over uneven surfaces in wet or uncertain weather chasing younger people that are not wearing 15 pounds of equipment as we are. There are all kinds of holes and obstacles in the urban environment that we deal with on foot. I have a family to feed. I don't want to break my leg. We wear the gear that is appropriate to our job. The rest of that was like Charlie Brown's teacher......Wha wha wha wha wha. To the OP....Have a nice day sir. (When he calls you "sir" he really means "asshole.) Your words, not mine. Who the hell are you to determine the military records of police officers? I have an officer that just returned from his second deployment in three years. Fuck you. I'm old and just missed Vietnam, left before Gulf War. All about timing. I was not avoiding. History was not ready when I was. |
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The dreaded "para-military boot" FEAR THE BOOT! Oh forget about walking in broken glass at wrecks, stepping around blood and fluid, good ankle support,.........There are a bunch of folks in GD who think we (military) wear fatigues & boots because they look tacticool/agresssive... The fact that it's a *safety* thing (esp with the new gore-tex boots) never occurs to them... I'm no LEO, but I wouldn't want to do that job (or any one that potentially involved lots of running through urban environments) in low-quarters & wool dress pants, just to appease some paranoid who thinks that practical clothing & safe footwear = 'Militarization of the Police'.... they are the same people who think 9-11-01 was a government plot they're also the same ones who think police shouldn't have anything but handguns, rifles = militarization, but by god their right to any weapon they want shouldn't be infringed!!! Most sound like the wannabe 'anarchist in college' freaks. The kind of people you could tell are douche bags before they ever open their mouth. They are pissy over someone that can hold them accountable for their actions. The quoted guy in the OP throws quite the tissy fit, on the Internet. Those kind of weirdo's would never run their mouth like that in person to a LEO or anyone else. |
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I agree on the media bias cop hating society we live in now....................however.............. Having done boot camp and police academy..... You should probly not compare the two. There is NO comparison.......the only similarity is they both PT. The overall goal of academy is to teach you how to be a cop and survive on the street, while being legal. The overall goal of ANY military boot camp is to break you down from the frame of mind you came in at, to the point that you don't really remember what it was like when you were "chilling" with your friends before. Then teach you a set of rules that you will follow or actually be punished for not following. THEN, be built back up with enough confidence in yourself and your training, that you will be able to encounter situations where you go days on end of extremely dangerous and mentally challenging duty, without faltering, failing, or even considering giving up. We all hear about the "military guys" that did not make it in the academy...........lol So, since some guys find it hard in the academy, or they get yelled at a little bit, or they decide to make the accomplishment feel a little more real to themselves, they down play other academies, and even military boot camp!!! Really? Police academy is like passing the Crucible with the Marine Corps?! It is supposed to be like passing Battle Stations with the Navy? Are you shitting me? I have never seen a police academy graduating class from anywhere that had 100% of the grads understand what it really means to take orders.........I think 90% of the cops I know are going to ask why? or what for? with most stupid orders.........else there would not be so much bitching going on in locker room or patrol room...............you know you known the types......every dept has them. When leaving Camp Lejune, or paris island, you will NOT find a graduate even think of asking WHY? Let alone hesitating for one second, when it comes time to kill. That is the biggest difference.......static killer training with most branches. Police can only shoot in certain situations.......so that is how we are trained.............military has a bit more freedom when it comes to shooting. The mind set that is built in one is so vastly diff from the other that it seems so misguided to even consider the two side by side. Thats my .02 for the evening. you must be looking at a different academy then i went through. asking why? was a big fucking mistake, but i see where your coming from. |
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When I first became a cop (after a tour in IRAQ with the ARMY), I was issued a pair of black paramilitary style boots. I occasionally wore my army-issued, 10 year old Bates Lite dress shoes. Damn, did I bring in military equipment to use on my civilian peacekeeping job?
Does this equal the militarization of the police? Oh lawd! Oh and I wear a high and tight because I've been losing my hair for ten years, and anything else looks stupid! I'm almost to the shave-it-all-off phase! |
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I'm tempted to start posting stories in the GD about all the idiots I run into with guns on a daily basis (thugs, bangers, etc) and make sweeping judgments about the rest of society based on my interaction with those few morons. Why don't you. Or at least in here, where some decorum can be enforced? TXL |
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I start with my new dept tomorrow.........they don't provide any foot wear...........I think my desert tan boots would not look all that TACTICOOL with my uniform!! lol I guess I will use my black pair of Bates. Think that is lame...........oughta see the vest they have for me! Or at least what is left of it after years and years of abuse. :( WAIT a min!!!! if I need a vest, that must mean that someone may shoot at me!!! Holly shit! I'm not in the military......(yet, going in on MON) so why the hell do I need a gun or vest?!!
The police are not militarized, the criminals are! I will not fail to come home after my shift! I don't give a shit if it make some tree hugging piece fell intimidated. The area I am going on patrol in, I wish I had an M2 on top of my car! lol There is a huge crack and meth problem there...........the mayor let me in on the little 80kilo drop offs that have been coming every month...... 
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Some quotes from the thread about the raid in detroit where the 7 year old was killed shows just how out of touch some people are.
If I'm a 120 pound cop and I pull over a 220 pound roid raging speeder who wants to fight, I might just consider letting them go despite their 5mph over, and take the risk of being held accountable if they cause a wreck 2 miles down the road in the event sufficient backup isn't readily available. But then again, I'm not a cop and I don't have the same mindset (thankfully).
Meh. The better part of valor.. live to fight another day... etc.
I hope you never bite off more than you can chew, you might regret not backing down. Good luck out there. Yeah, that seems like a reasonable policy, don't engage a suspect that you know will overpower you.
As for cowards, I think it's the mark of a coward to storm a house with a bunch of body armor, grenades, machineguns, and all the trappings of the typical SWAT raid when searching for a single suspect.
You want to be BRAVE? Go one on one with your suspect. No armor, the same weapon he has, no radio, no backup. Of course, that would be stupid, because he might overpower you. |