[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Amnesty = Gun Control... (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 11/15/2006 10:04:52 AM EDT
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I continue to be amazed by the people who have given "pro gun" but "pro Amnesty" politicians (especially Republicans) a pass. Sure they voted for, or in the case of Mel Martinez who wrote and introduced the Senate version, the Amnesty of CRIMINAL INVADERS...but they are PRO GUN and got an A rating from the GOA. Charge Of The RINOs... I'm amazed at the short sightedness. Let us forget for a moment that the Amnesty of 10 Million (conservative 2004 estimate) Illegals is a much greater threat to this nation than the assault weapon ban in terms of imact on crime and burdening of social services, the economy, etc. ILLEGAL ALIEN POPULATION BY STATE... What nobody SEEMS to grasp is these 10 million (more likely to be 25 million) "new" Americans will ALL be liberal Democrats. They are NOT the usually "conservative" Cubans who fled communism and know firsthand why "socialism" sucks. They are not the "hard working and looking for a better life" hispanics who LEGALLY IMMIGRATED and respect the process who intend to work and make something of themselves. Those types rarely want to see their hard earned tax dollars wasted either. These are simply CRIMINALS who cheated their way into the country and cut ahead in line of everyone who was LEGALLY EMIGRATING. They don't care about laws or paying taxes. They care only about what is easiest and preferrably FREE. They will vote Democrat because Democrats give away the most FREE SHIT and are most tolerant of CRIMINALS. And these "new" Americans certainly aren't gonna be in favor of YOU having guns. They will completely support any and all gun control laws because what they fear is a backlash of American citizens who resent them and what they have done to their country. They will continue to fear this threat because they INTEND to take more. And they will completely support leftists, liberal Democrats who will finally have 25 million or more "new" voters who will support all of their radical left agenda. And that is exactly how all the dominos are set up to fall. |
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Its a battle of the next minority. Blacks are locked in as democrat voters. Hispanics are up for grabs, and whoever wins will have a substaintial victories in the future. Amnesty sits will with the legal/registered voting hispanic population. Its politics as usual. And I hate to say it, but if hispanics go over to the dark side, the libs will win every election from now on. Whites will be a minority (not a majority) in ten to twenty years, and conservative whites even less so. I'm willing to accept this, because they will do fuck all even if they do not give them amnesty and build a wall. They will *never* round them up and ship them all back. |
Hispanics are "up for grabs" ????   That's a good one. This country is heading down the  . I'm just glad I have what I need for  
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Republians are kidding themselves. They will never take liberal votes away from Democrats. That is like suggesting if you have a choice between a progun/conservative Republican candidate and a somewhat progun/liberal Democratic candidate that you would vote Demcorat because that Demcorat is "trying" to reach out for your vote. These new 25 million+ "new" voters will ALL be liberal Democrats and they will ALL vote away your guns. Anyone who can't see that is blind. |
Actually amnesty does not sit well with the legal hispanic population, when it is not viewed as a racist move. The liberals fan the flames with the race card, then the legal hispanic population starts to go for it. |
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Steyr all add another dimension to the conversation... Go study the "modern" Mexican Political System and you will see it's chalked full of strait up Socialists. Then make a study of the City of Los Angeles and see who is the voice for the "Mexican" not to be confused with the voice of the Mexican-AMERICAN. We are in for a "fun" time.  |
I agree. I've talked to plenty of Green Card holding Hispanics who are furious at the illegals. They're a spit in the face of the ones who came here the hard, and legal, way. But start to get the white vs. brown race card going and it becomes a different matter. |
And that is why the conservatice hispanics who are here legally will remain conservative. In fact some of them will be as dismayed by Conservatives who support the Amnesty as any other American. That is because they did it legally and came here to work and prosper. Suggesting a required "cultural affinity" for illegals is like suggesting we all support Tim McVeigh. While true in a few cases, it is hardly across the board. |
The ones I know as well. But you are MISSING something. I covered this in my original post. "They are NOT the usually "conservative" Cubans who fled communism and know firsthand why "socialism" sucks. They are not the "hard working and looking for a better life" hispanics who LEGALLY IMMIGRATED and respect the process who intend to work and make something of themselves. Those types rarely want to see their hard earned tax dollars wasted either. These are simply CRIMINALS who cheated their way into the country and cut ahead in line of everyone who was LEGALLY EMIGRATING. They don't care about laws or paying taxes. They care only about what is easiest and preferrably FREE. They will vote Democrat because Democrats give away the most FREE SHIT and are most tolerant of CRIMINALS." I know many of the type mentioned in the first paragraph. I have YET to learn of any conservatives of the type mentioned in the second. |
But it doesn't have to be. We fought and won a mere two years ago. We could continue to do it for decades. But we can't win with RINOs and we can't win if liberals magically pull 25 million + new voters out of their ass. Even if those new voters are created by Republicans. We HAVE to prevent an Amnesty to win. If we can do that, we can continue to fight liberal Democrats who still have faint memories of 1994. It was those memories who kept them mindful of consequences with the expiration of the Clinton ban. |
Little late to be switching sides there, Iowa. ETA: Regretably, the loss of the House to the dims signaled the end of resistance to illegal immigration. I think the only thing that will initiate control of our borders will be a dirty bomb with the whiff of tacos on it. |
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South America is coming to us-guns will be banned for ordinary citizens, but those who can afford it will live in heavily guarded gated communities. As long as taxes stay low or can be avoided through accounting loopholes, the movers and shakers in the GOP and the Dems will be perfectly happy. Remember, even shitholes in the 3rd world have an upper class, nice neighborhoods, and upscale shopping for their elite. |
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Yep, these are not angry or even mildly upset political refugees (like Cuba). They ARE the poor and down-trodden in many ways, which says more about Mexico than ANYONE wants to hear. Clinton should have lobbed some cruise missiles at some Mexican drug lords. That would have been a "good" waste of tactical assets. Note this will not be a popular analogy but if Mexico was full of AIDS victims would it make sense for them to be coming across the border and us not caring. So then why do we accept poverty as the excuse? Both are conditions that are not our doing. AIDS and poverty can be treated in Mexico or administered in a lawful controlled and efficient manner. Anarchy is not the answer. |
I'll be on the right side for the Near Future Unpleasantness.  BTW- this is MY district.Iowa's 5th congressional district From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search The 5th Iowan Congressional District covers most of western Iowa, (map), which includes the small cities of Council Bluffs, and Sioux City. It is currently represented by Republican Steve King. The district is considered the most Republican district in Iowa and one of the most Republican in the nation. We ought to be able to raise a Regiment or two of Iowa Volunteers. Unless Homeland Security/North American Union/SPP.GOV puts us into a concentration camp. |
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I agree with you 100%, S-A. I have not and will not support these RINOS. Included, I count my states' Sen Lugar. He does not acknowledge emails, just asks for more money. I did not vote for him in the primary (ran unopposed) and voted for the Lib who ran against him in Nov. My House guy, Chris Chicola, lost. The change of Rummy before the election would have prevented that! I have no repubs to vote for or want to support. Certainly the GOP is no longer my party, they shifted left. As for Amnesty, it is totally out of our hands now and, IMO, a done deal! The two parties are just divieing up the new votes. George is tickled pink and there's nobody to stop the runaway train. I can't see another conservative worth voting for, for the next eight years. Perhaps Chicola replacing Lugar, but I think Chris is fed up too. Chicola's replacement, Joe Donnally (D) is pro life, pro gun and anti amnesty. Unfortunately he's now a freshman and will have to toe the line. Therefore his views don't matter. Gun control is still a weak issue for now, but we're screwed anyway!! |
Even better, if we ever got the political leadership here to do it, would be SF teams to support an insurgency against the Mexican government-we would have far fewer immigration problems with a true republican government instead of the oligarchy currently running Mexico. |
In Before Dave_A from Korea Tells Us All How It's the Libertarians' Fault and He Will Come Back Here And Shoot Us All for Being Traitors to the USA. His favorite points- "militias suck and can't fight against professional troops" "there are too many anarcho-libertarians on this site" "a border wall would never work" "talking about a Second Revolution IS treason" "libertarians try and impose their viewpoint on others" "the solution to illegal immigration is for ALL US citizens to get biometric ID cards" "enemies Foreign and DOMESTIC- that means all you gun freaks" |
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And don't forget the immigration laws allow those 12 million if they are granted amnesty to bring their immediate family and some extended family(medical and political reasons). So, you're probably talking about 55 million new visitors (parasites/libtards) when all is said and done. |
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20 million? Pffft... that's chump change. That 20 million will become 200,000,000 by 2025 once these new "citizens" are automatically allowed to bring their whole extended family into the US under the terms of US immigration law. You become a citizen, you can then bring your whole family in and make them citizens too.  |
I was just explaining Act I.  Gonna be a long play before it ends with us losing our country and all our rights. |
No... just making a blatant point. Ok...so a felon who has lost there rights cannot vote, but someone with no rights can... ...and the only way to stop an Amnesty is to vote against it.... Sounds like someone is setting up a |
Maybe we could just swap countries. There's some damn fine dove shooting down there.
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Not anymore than that skin color makes conservative "legal immigrants" conservative. In my ORIGINAL post I pointed out the differences between "usually conservative" LEGAL IMMIGRANTS and "usually liberal" ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. Perhaps you should re read those sections. |
Perhaps you should realize that the issue is a hot-button with the LEGAL latin community. Politicians pandering to voters, go figure. Also, if you know anything about history, you'd understand how the Dems used immigrants, illegal and legal, to gain political strongholds on the major cities. |
That has also been addressed in this topic. But the bottom line remains that it is WRONG and ILLEGALS will destroy this country. And will lead DIRECTLY to complete gun control. And I know what the Dems have done historically. The dangers is now Republicans are doing it, and in effect creating more liberal Democrats. |
How? By using tax paid services? Services that shouldn't have been provided by taxpayers in the first place? Too late, the New Deal and Great Society are already taking its toll. It is just a matter of how fast the country will implode. Illegals may speed up the process, by using these services, but we've been on this path for a while.
Don't know how you make this astounding leap. If they vote, while being illegal, and if they all happen to believe in liberalism, which I think is one hell of an assumption considering they are showing more rugged individualism than most on this board, then they MIGHT vote in a such a manner that makes gun control more likely.
Again, if you're familiar with how the Dems got control of the cities, then you know they did it by using immigrants as block voters. If Republicans pulled the same stunt, why would they use the voters to vote against their platform? If the Republicans exploited the immigrants correctly, like the Dems did, why would you think they would vote against the Rs? Because of the color of their skin? |
WOW. It's almost like you didn't even read the original post and simply had a knee jerk reaction to what you felt might be a racist based post. I actually covered all the questions you posed above in great detail in my original post. In fact the answers to the questions you just raised were the main point of my original post. |
Actually, your post is full of assumptions. Assumptions that they want only what is easy and that they only look out for themselves. That's quite the broad brush. It's easy to paint illegal immigrants that way when you haven't lived in the economic conditions they had. Am I excusing their behavior? No. However, if placed in a similar, nearly hopeless, situation, I might do the same if I felt it was best for my family. Mexico isn't exactly the land of opportunity. |
And why is that? Maybe all the selfish disrespect for each other and for the rule of law down there? The exact same selfish disrespect that they bring with them when they BREAK OUR LAWS, EVADE OUR TAXES, DEMAND MORE ENTITLEMENTS and CUT IN LINE IN FRONT OF THEIR FELLOW MEXICANS TRYING TO LEGALLY IMMIGRATE! |
You're kidding, right? These people are not scholars. I can guarantee you, based on many conversations with some of the illegals here in Houston, that they will vote to BAN ALL GUNS. After all - in their words I kid you not - "We didn't need guns in Mexico so we sure don't need them here." THAT is the reality that will occur. It's now just a matter of time and mathematics. We are screwed. CMOS |
| Suppose an amnesty is enacted and all of these XX million illegal Mexicans are now liberal Americans who can vote. Will there be any hope for conservatives in the long run? It seems as if the country will quickly resemble most of the socalist European nations if all of these new voters are introduced. The constitution will be ignored in the new transformation; few people will be concerned. What happens? I don't know... |
That will be a pretty fucking sad day 
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