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Posted: 4/20/2002 9:55:32 PM EDT
Is there anyone out there that thinks it is about time they where sued and ran out of here, these morons only protect the liberals and other idiots. Lets here it.
Link Posted: 4/21/2002 1:54:26 AM EDT
I believe they perform an important public service and should be commended for their courage and dedication to showing just what sort of assholes the left wing really are.
Link Posted: 4/21/2002 2:32:31 AM EDT
Link Posted: 4/21/2002 5:07:11 AM EDT
I just wished they'd use their talent for supporting the greatest 'civil right' of all time - [b]THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS![/b] It's a right that has virtually disappeared from every other 'democracy' on the planet, and is on the endangered list here. Eric The('LetEveryHunBeArmed')Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 4/21/2002 5:12:25 AM EDT
Eric, the ACLU does not recognize the 2nd amendment as a personal right, But they do recognize it as a states right. There is no need for them to defend a states right...go figure, who knew all those educated people could be so damn stupid?
Link Posted: 4/21/2002 5:18:35 AM EDT
[i][b]Que absurd![/b][/i] Can the ACLU ever cite an instance in the history of mankind where a state denied to itself the right to keep and bear arms? Pretty pointless protection, then, isn't it? And if they said, 'No wait, we mean the Feds telling the States they must disarm.' Hell, I'm not even certain that the Feds ever told the Confederate States [u]that[/u]! Eric The('CeaseTheRebellion',Maybe,ButNot'Disarm!'­)Hun[>]:)]
Link Posted: 4/21/2002 5:31:58 AM EDT
Go to the ACLU website, they waste many tons of electrons trying to convince you that they are correct in their fallacy. In the end, they are wrong, but this being America, they are allowed to hold any silly-assed-half-baked notion they want.
Link Posted: 4/21/2002 5:38:27 AM EDT
Here [url]http://aclu.org/library/aaguns.html[/url] I dug it up for you, try not to retch. "If we can license cars, why not guns?" Better question, why not reading material?
Link Posted: 4/21/2002 5:57:40 AM EDT
hielo: In the end, they are wrong, but this being America, they are allowed to hold any silly-assed-half-baked notion they want.
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And that's the [u]only[/u] reason they exist.
Link Posted: 4/21/2002 8:34:10 AM EDT
I know I'm going to get flamed big for this, but I think the ACLU does perform an important function. Unfortunately protecting the RKBA is not their baliwick. Protecting the first amendment is. You wouldn't expect the NRA or GOA to take a stand on an issue of religion and spend a great deal of time and money suing the gov't for an unpopular plaintiff over the Free Exercise clause; don't expect the ACLU to take gun issues and you won't be dissapointed. I don't agree with all their positions, but they take a lot of unpopular cases to make their point about the 1st Amensment; its not about protecting popular speech, its about protecting all speech. You have to acknowledge though, for what they do, they do damn well. Its just too bad the NRA doesn't have the same quality of legal talent working for it and the 2nd Amendment. The ACLU has fought for the rights of nazis, internet pornographers, war protesters, etc. to speak their mind. They have opposed (and I believe will eventually sue over) campaign finance reform - an issue specifically designed to muzzle groups like the NRA.
Link Posted: 4/21/2002 4:38:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By shaggy: I know I'm going to get flamed big for this, but I think the ACLU does perform an important function. Unfortunately protecting the RKBA is not their baliwick. Protecting the first amendment is.
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Actually, IMHO they simply pervert the 1st amendment to protect certain leftist political cows (i.e., destroying religion and protecting left wing political activists) instead of "protecting" it.
Link Posted: 4/21/2002 6:49:20 PM EDT
Avtomat is right. IMHO they are nothing more than puss filled baloons. ARH
Link Posted: 4/21/2002 7:22:25 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Avtomat:
Originally Posted By shaggy: I know I'm going to get flamed big for this, but I think the ACLU does perform an important function. Unfortunately protecting the RKBA is not their baliwick. Protecting the first amendment is.
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Actually, IMHO they simply pervert the 1st amendment to protect certain leftist political cows (i.e., destroying religion and protecting left wing political activists) instead of "protecting" it.
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Maybe you'd like to provide some case examples? They've fought against campaign finance reform which would silence "left wing political activists" like the NRA? They've fought against the Boston Transit Authority to force them to sell advertising space to the "left wing political activists" like Christians and the church. They've sued (and beat) Janet Reno over censorship on the internet. (no one here looks at pictures of naked women on the internet, right?) They've fought to protect the privacy rights of people posting on internet message boards. (no one here needs that do we?) They've sued federal and state law enforcement over illegal search and seizure. (Oh yes, I forgot, us gun owners all trust the govt. JBT's not to kick your door in w/o a proper warrant, right?) I'll say it again, I don't agree with all their positions on all issues, but the rights of those those "left wing political activists" you would be so glad to see silenced could easily be the rights of us gunowners and "right wing political activists".
Link Posted: 4/21/2002 7:58:16 PM EDT
Another Crazy Liberal Unleashed
Link Posted: 4/21/2002 9:28:00 PM EDT
AFAIK, anyone can join the ACLU. Imagine the reactions of the white wine drinkers when a bunch of good ole' boys showed up at the next party & flashed their ACLU cards, right next to their NRA cards! Oh, the horror!!!! >gg< Of course, for some of those women who weren't lesbians it'd be their best shot at a real man. >gg<
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 3:47:14 AM EDT
Originally Posted By shaggy:
Originally Posted By Avtomat:
Originally Posted By shaggy: I know I'm going to get flamed big for this, but I think the ACLU does perform an important function. Unfortunately protecting the RKBA is not their baliwick. Protecting the first amendment is.
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Actually, IMHO they simply pervert the 1st amendment to protect certain leftist political cows (i.e., destroying religion and protecting left wing political activists) instead of "protecting" it.
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Maybe you'd like to provide some case examples? I'll say it again, I don't agree with all their positions on all issues, but the rights of those those "left wing political activists" you would be so glad to see silenced could easily be the rights of us gunowners and "right wing political activists".
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You seem to have forgotten that the majority of their cases run along the lines of "right to aggressively panhandle", "right to collect welfare", "right to have multilingual education", "righ to use racial preferences in awarding government contracts", and "right to block anyone from expressing any religious sentiment in a public area". They may, occasionally, coincidentally happen to fight against something which the NRA also wishes would go away, but that doesn't make them pro-freedom in any sense of the phrase. Most of their work, and the work of which they are the proudest, is about preserving entitlements and creating/enforcing deliberate bias.
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 3:58:43 AM EDT
Here is somethign I heard once, dunno if it is true or not: JFK- Lifetime NRA member Lee Harvey Oswald- Member of the ACLU
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 4:04:38 AM EDT
What's the matter with you, Shaggy? Don't you realize that you are addressing a group of gun enthusiasts? Gun enthusiasts, as a group, prize idealogical purity above all other things. That's why we have people on boards like this who bitch about the NRA being soft. Actually getting to keep our guns isn't important. Retaining freedom of speech isn't important. What is important is that everybody concerned mouth the exact same rightist Christian rhetoric.
Link Posted: 4/22/2002 5:15:37 AM EDT
I know I'm going to get flamed big for this, but I think the ACLU does perform an important function. Unfortunately protecting the RKBA is not their baliwick. Protecting the first amendment is. You wouldn't expect the NRA or GOA to take a stand on an issue of religion and spend a great deal of time and money suing the gov't for an unpopular plaintiff over the Free Exercise clause; don't expect the ACLU to take gun issues and you won't be dissapointed.
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You overlook the primary difference between the NRA, GOA, and other 2nd amendment rights groups, and the ACLU. [url]http://www.aclu.org/library/FreedomIsWhy.pdf[/url]
[b]Majortiy power is limited by the Constitution's Bill of Rights, which consists of the original ten amendments ratified in 1791, plus the three post-Civil War amendments (the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth) and the 19th Amendment (women's suffrage), adopted in 1920. [i]The mission of the ACLU is to preserve all of these protections and guarantees.[/i][/b]
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The ACLU presents itself as a protectorate of all civil liberties, and of all of the 'protections and guarantees' of the Bill of Rights. By that very statement then, protecting the right of the citizens of this nation to keep and bear arms damn well ought to be their baliwick. By not doing so, they defame the very name they choose (as they do not defend ALL Civil Liberties), and place themselves in the realms of hypocricy. So yes....if they are going to call themselves a Civil Liberties Union, and if they will continue to present themselves as defenders of the Bill of Rights, I and anyone else damn well ought to expect them to defend our Second Amendment rights. And I will continue to speak out against their lack of conviction on this point until they cease to exist or stand and back up their words. I also find it rather sad....a group publishing documentation on methods of seducing and raping underaged children deserves their defense, yet a child censured for personal prayer in school (non-regimented class time) recieves nothing. My own personal contention of hypocrisy or the ACLU, that. For a group that professes to support the first amendment, they are extremely hostile towards the 'freedom OF religion' portion of the text. I think I speak for many people when I say this. Looking at the literature, positions, and advocation of the ACLU, it becomes rather clear that it no longer can rightfully be called the American Civil Liberties Union. More rightly, the name they SHOULD aspire to, in the interest of honesty, would be the American [b]Minority[/b] Liberties Union.
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