[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Why should anyone read 1984? (Page 2 of 3)
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People like what they like.  I enjoyed some of it, but...the speeches. And I couldn't forgive Galt being, effectively, a talking cardboard cutout. But it still sells well for a reason.But it was a horrible god awful book. Everything in it was made ten times longer than in needed to be and then magnified. Every character was an unrealistic, one dimensional caricature. Producers aren't that smart, the takers aren't that dumb. The language was stilted and annoying, painful to read. The plot was absurd. There was a decent mystery possible but you kept getting lost in the other shit... like 50 page monologues. Somebody mentioned the money speech, it was finished after the first paragraph, then she added 20 pages or so. |
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1984 was a decent book but I think it's for adults. It is after all, a love story.
Animal Farm is for kids. I need to read A Brave New World Harrison Bergeron is probably the best. The weights and noise machines are allegory for progressive tax rates and hiring quotas. |
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It was only a hopeless fancy,
It passed like an April day. But a look and a word And the dreams they stirred, They've stolen my heart away. They say that time heals all things, They say you can always forget, But the smiles and the tears across the years, They twist my heartstrings yet. |
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1984 was a decent book but I think it's for adults. It is after all, a love story. Animal Farm is for kids. I need to read A Brave New World Harrison Bergeron is probably the best. The weights and noise machines are allegory for progressive tax rates and hiring quotas. |
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It’s really secretly a liberal book. If you notice they use a lot of it to describe things when in fact it’s really what they want but use to appease society from a slow, subtle takeover. They make it appear as if conservatives are the enemy. They make it sound like if you’re against an ideal that you are the enemy. They make unpopular ideas seem popular by propaganda by way of mass media and making it seem like everyone agrees with it. If you want to read the indictment of Fascism, you read 1984 (Fifteen minutes of hate, "we've always been at war with east Asia") If you want to read the indictment of Communism, you read animal farm (Some animals are more equal than others) If you want to read the indictment of pointless society gone astray, you read Brave New World (Soma makes it all better, fear that savage that's not following the societal norms) |
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Quoted: The book paints a picture of fascism which is far right authoritarianism, not to be confused with communism which is far left authoritarianism, in an attempt to illustrate it's evils. If you want to read the indictment of Fascism, you read 1984 (Fifteen minutes of hate, "we've always been at war with east Asia") If you want to read the indictment of Communism, you read animal farm (Some animals are more equal than others) If you want to read the indictment of pointless society gone astray, you read Brave New World (Soma makes it all better, fear that savage that's not following the societal norms) |
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maybe i'm weird then, because I liked most of the speeches. I loved Rearden, liked Dagny a bit less, but thought Galt was pretty boring. The side characters tended to be interesting. The plot was solid and kept me wanting to know where it would go. It's idealistic, same as 1984 (though a bit more hopeful), but I still enjoyed it. Quoted:
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It's an object lesson, and one our elites seem to use as guidebook sometimes. I tend to think Atlas Shrugged is more realistic for the US and a far better read. It's still a bit boring, mostly due to sheer length, but I thought it was a far more enjoyable read than 1984. It's idealistic, same as 1984 (though a bit more hopeful), but I still enjoyed it. |
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Quoted: Not the maturity level, it's just.... If you got rid of the implications it would be a chick flick. That is like saying strip everything away and For Whom the Bell Tolls is a like chick flick. Even three wolf shirt wearing alpha tier one operators like us like some romance. |
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1984 was a decent book but I think it's for adults. It is after all, a love story. Animal Farm is for kids. I need to read A Brave New World Harrison Bergeron is probably the best. The weights and noise machines are allegory for progressive tax rates and hiring quotas. |
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If UK oral hygiene is bad, imagine the vag? Quoted:
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you could watch the movie for some super hairy muff. |
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The 1978 cartoon is amazing. Quoted:
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I also need to make him read Watership Down Simply put, it illustrates to me, how much better it is to endure the hazards of freedom, than to suffer in the safety of servitude. |
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It scares the shit out of me that all the literature I read in grade school as a warning to prevent what is happening actually ended up being used as more blueprints to create what is happening.
"He who controls the present controls the past. He who controls the past controls the future." |
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It’s really secretly a liberal book. If you notice they use a lot of it to describe things when in fact it’s really what they want but use to appease society from a slow, subtle takeover. They make it appear as if conservatives are the enemy. They make it sound like if you’re against an ideal that you are the enemy. They make unpopular ideas seem popular by propaganda by way of mass media and making it seem like everyone agrees with it. |
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Orwell quotes
I was going to quote the good ones here, but they're all good. |
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Orwell was a socialist, a reformed socialist. He figured it out and ran away from the party. Both 1984 and Animal Farm are great works. I think Animal Farm is more accessible, 1984 makes you work to understand the methods.
I'll throw "Darkness at Noon" by Arthur Koestler on the list of books to read. |
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Because a lot of it is becoming reality. Newspeak is real. Illegal alien became undocumented immigrants. Memory holes are real. If Google doesn't want something out there they change the algorithms. Because making people afraid to speak out is real. Those who don't tow the party line are racist, homophobic, etc. Because we are being spied on daily. Not by big screens but by our cell phones and a myriad of cameras. Ok you won’t be taken to room 101 yet but you are reprogrammed in other ways. You’ll never work again in some industries, you’ll be deplatformed, defamed, harassed. Assaulted just for a point of view that doesn’t fit with the globalists. |
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Quoted: That. Many times that. Ok you won't be taken to room 101 yet but you are reprogrammed in other ways. You'll never work again in some industries, you'll be deplatformed, defamed, harassed. Assaulted just for a point of view that doesn't fit with the globalists. I think he he went from being hardcore commie to being a democratic socialist. Vonogut was a socialist to the end I think. Which, reading Harrison Bergeron, makes no sense |
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Because a lot of it is becoming reality. Newspeak is real. Illegal alien became undocumented immigrants. Memory holes are real. If Google doesn't want something out there they change the algorithms. Because making people afraid to speak out is real. Those who don't tow the party line are racist, homophobic, etc. Because we are being spied on daily. Not by big screens but by our cell phones and a myriad of cameras. 2 genders = 87 million genders now Newspeak is real, the government is actively trying to control what you say and proposing laws to incarcerate you for “hate speech,” the internet is being censored and people are being deplatformed. 1984 is a non fiction work at this point |
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The movie is TERRIBLE. The book was a great read when I was a kid. Quoted:
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They made a movie. Available for free on Amazon Prime. |
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I have read it. My 14 year old son is reading it. I told my friend everyone should read it, and he asked why. Obviously, no one would want to live in the world 1984 describes. And, obviously, no one wants to live under a totalitarian regime. I still think everyone should read it, but have difficulty articulating why. It's not just about how shitty the government in the book is; it's about how it works. Anyone can be evil and boss people around, but it takes a real piece of shit to reach that kind of level. |
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It's an object lesson, and one our elites seem to use as guidebook sometimes. I tend to think Atlas Shrugged is more realistic for the US and a far better read. It's still a bit boring, mostly due to sheer length, but I thought it was a far more enjoyable read than 1984. |
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Sheer length. One dimensional characters. Wooden plot. Long, long, long speeches. I think Rand got some things right, but she also has obsessions that take over the plot, and makes her heroic characters into unsympathetic demons. And her bizarre obsession with voluntary charity being evil is just weird. But she knew Commies and the New Deal state forwards and backwards. Quoted:
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It's an object lesson, and one our elites seem to use as guidebook sometimes. I tend to think Atlas Shrugged is more realistic for the US and a far better read. It's still a bit boring, mostly due to sheer length, but I thought it was a far more enjoyable read than 1984. |
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Yes, you do. I've believed for some time now that the future is going to resemble Brave New World much more than 1984. I also think it's better written in general. Quoted:
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I need to read A Brave New World 
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Quoted: I can't believe the discussion has gotten this far without someone posting this... https://biblioklept.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/huxley-orwell-amusing-ourselves-to-death.jpg |
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Quoted: I can't believe the discussion has gotten this far without someone posting this... https://biblioklept.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/huxley-orwell-amusing-ourselves-to-death.jpg But the left is certainly "getting both" for the percentage that won't take the soma willingly. |