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Quoted: I’d love to assemble a napoleon-esque militia uniform, complete with a huge hat and call Myself brigadier admiral of the coyote pass militia That would be badass . I think ill go with the mask on the pole ala Iron Bar from Mad Max for my crew . Decorate and stylize as you see fit . I shall be referred to as simply Phantom Lord . |
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Quoted: Remember that old cliche. Anytime they want to take your guns away, it's because they want to do something you would shoot them for. Only in this case, it's getting organized and trained. Plus they’re hypocrites, aren’t they always saying that’s what the 2nd amendment really means, it’s for militia? Assholes |
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Quoted: It doesn't seem retirement has slowed you down! Quoted: Quoted: I am publicly stating right now, that if this passes I'm starting a militia. It doesn't seem retirement has slowed you down! I'm filing papers for a Type 10 Destructive Device Manufacturers license on Tuesday, so... |
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Their entire premise is untruthful. It wasn't any civilians, or militias, that instigated J6. It was government assets that did. People like Ray Epps, tower commander, pipebomber, and other unidentified co-conspirators. Along with a organized plan make capital security weak, and incite a riot in the crowd with munitions. Obviously the intention of this law would be to abuse it, selective enforcement, to stretch the truth, and to be used with political motives. |
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Quoted: Not at all. And we anticipated legislation like this. Which is why APC doesn't teach tactics outside of search and rescue, prohibits political activity, and was reviewed by our attorneys on the front end, along with our insurance company, to ensure we can operate in all states without running afoul of existing anti-paramilitary laws. Including in New York, Illinois, and California. Despite some people's best efforts to paint APC as a militia, it is not and is designed to ensure it doesn't run afoul of such laws. It also doesn't have a chain of command, which at a quick glance appears is a prerequisite to be a militia under this bill. APC actually, in quite literal terms, hits less wickets for defining it as a militia than BSA does. To ban APC you'd literally have to ban all outdoors groups. Firearms is less than 10% of our curriculum. If is just the part of our curriculum ARFCOMMERS like to focus on, because this is a gun site. Quoted: Quoted: No need really. By the definitions in this proposed law, I think APC would already be classified as illegal activity. I would not be surprised if you have gotten their attention and they are specifically targeting you and APC. Not at all. And we anticipated legislation like this. Which is why APC doesn't teach tactics outside of search and rescue, prohibits political activity, and was reviewed by our attorneys on the front end, along with our insurance company, to ensure we can operate in all states without running afoul of existing anti-paramilitary laws. Including in New York, Illinois, and California. Despite some people's best efforts to paint APC as a militia, it is not and is designed to ensure it doesn't run afoul of such laws. It also doesn't have a chain of command, which at a quick glance appears is a prerequisite to be a militia under this bill. APC actually, in quite literal terms, hits less wickets for defining it as a militia than BSA does. To ban APC you'd literally have to ban all outdoors groups. Firearms is less than 10% of our curriculum. If is just the part of our curriculum ARFCOMMERS like to focus on, because this is a gun site. You are missing the point. Everything you just said is open to interpretation. Combat Training will mean whatever they want it to mean, as in land navigation is used for combat maneuvers, etc. Chain of command will mean whatever they want it to mean, as in level of achievements with titles. We all know what “single function of the trigger” means yet today, it means repeatedly pulling the trigger really fast because it resets faster than it used to. If you think YOUR definitions of terms and current standard ENGLISH definition of terms will be used, you have not been paying attention. Their vague wording can mean anything they want it to mean and includes prohibiting intent which is open to what anybody wants it to be. ETA. I am not saying don’t do APC, I am saying you may end up in a legal fight if this law passes, which it won’t, and I am convinced you are already ready for a legal fight. So more power to you. I am just commending on how communists will draft a law on purpose so their alphabet agencies can use it to mean anything they want it to mean. |
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Quoted: Ha,that's one of those bills I almost wish would pass just so I could see the glorious clusterfuck created when every corporate security group suddenly becomes an illegal private militia, Of course, like all the other inconsistencies, they'd just selectively enforce it. They don't want YOU organizing. |
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Quoted: Hmmmmm.... Remember this? THEN-PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE BARACK OBAMA: We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded. https://www.foxnews.com/story/barack-obamas-civilian-army I assume that, should the Dems pass this, any enforcement would be two-tiered. That effectively was blm and antifa. Which is the modern "SA" of Nazi times. Like the SA they will be sweep aside by the gubmint when they have served their purposes and the new "SS" is complete. They eat their young. The commies always eat their young. If these retard ass people that think their lives are going to be 'better' under socialism would just figure that out... |
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Quoted: You are missing the point. Everything you just said is open to interpretation. Combat Training will mean whatever they want it to mean, as in land navigation is used for combat maneuvers, etc. Chain of command will mean whatever they want it to mean, as in level of achievements with titles. We all know what “single function of the trigger” means yet today, it means repeatedly pulling the trigger really fast because it resets faster than it used to. If you think YOUR definitions of terms and current standard ENGLISH definition of terms will be used, you have not been paying attention. Their vague wording can mean anything they want it to mean and includes prohibiting intent which is open to what anybody wants it to be. ETA. I am not saying don’t do APC, I am saying you may end up in a legal fight if this law passes, which it won’t, and I am convinced you are already ready for a legal fight. So more power to you. I am just commending on how communists will draft a law on purpose so their alphabet agencies can use it to mean anything they want it to mean. No, I understood you. I'm saying if they singled out APC and not every other organization that does similar skills training, it would be an easy win on the grounds of it violating the equal protection clause. |
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Quoted: No, I understood you. I'm saying if they singled out APC and not every other organization that does similar skills training, it would be an easy win on the grounds of it violating the equal protection clause. Quoted: Quoted: You are missing the point. Everything you just said is open to interpretation. Combat Training will mean whatever they want it to mean, as in land navigation is used for combat maneuvers, etc. Chain of command will mean whatever they want it to mean, as in level of achievements with titles. We all know what “single function of the trigger” means yet today, it means repeatedly pulling the trigger really fast because it resets faster than it used to. If you think YOUR definitions of terms and current standard ENGLISH definition of terms will be used, you have not been paying attention. Their vague wording can mean anything they want it to mean and includes prohibiting intent which is open to what anybody wants it to be. ETA. I am not saying don’t do APC, I am saying you may end up in a legal fight if this law passes, which it won’t, and I am convinced you are already ready for a legal fight. So more power to you. I am just commending on how communists will draft a law on purpose so their alphabet agencies can use it to mean anything they want it to mean. No, I understood you. I'm saying if they singled out APC and not every other organization that does similar skills training, it would be an easy win on the grounds of it violating the equal protection clause. Yeah, true, but with this, I also think they will go after gun clubs and all firearm training programs like Front Sight and the others. |
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Quoted: They're an idea, not a militia.  Quoted: Quoted: Their bills defines a "private paramilitary organization" as "any group of 3 or more persons associating under a command structure for the purpose of functioning in public or training to function in public as a combat, combat support, law enforcement, or security services unit." The bill states acting with or on behalf of such a private paramilitary organization while armed with a firearm, explosive, incendiary device, or other dangerous weapon, and engaging in patrolling, training, interfering with government or constitutional rights, or assuming the functions of law enforcement without official authority. They're an idea, not a militia. 
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Quoted: This gonna mean no more Cola Warrior? Seriously though, this or any other bill like it will make no real difference in the end. Nothing is going to change what is comming. Just a matter of when and how. Civil war talk is making it's way into MSM more and more lately. It's out in the open now. And guess who the boogyman is always made out to be? FJB can't stop projecting his fear of us. It will be the focal point of his entire campaign, as it's all he has. Future is up for grabs, gents. This shit is becoming real, stop treating this like it's all just memes and goofs. Because they sure aren't. MAGA, EXTREMISTS, CIVIL WAR, ULTRA-CONSERVATIVES MSNBC can't go 5 minutes without mentioning one of those words. |
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Quoted: I'm pretty sure something similar was passed in Oregon. It's been blocked from being made legal. No it was not blocked, it's now law. Here's my post from page 2: They passed this crap in Oregon last year. It was 100% drafted by bat crap crazy, rabid anti-J 6th anti-gunners on the east coast. They had those people testifying remotely at every single hearing. Here's the text of the bill that was passed here. If it gets dropped on the federal level, expect left leaning states to push it through on their own. ETA: here's the legislative page with all the info on how it progressed in Oregon: https://olis.oregonlegislature.gov/liz/2023R1/Measures/Overview/HB2572 Here's a link to the submitted comments. Ths puts church groups providing for their own safety in violation. |