[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Mormon church lawfair to force 173' spire on Fairview TX and 216' spire on Lone Mtn, NV residents (Page 1 of 9)
Posted: 5/13/2024 9:33:08 PM EDT
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https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/fairview-faces-legal-threat-as-p-z-votes-down-proposed-mormon-temple-design-theyre-being-a-bully/ FAIRVIEW – Rose Oswald's home in Fairview faces land where the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints plans to build a temple. "This is in my front yard essentially," Oswald said, looking out at the lot. Designs show the proposed building would be nearly twice the size of the town hall with a 173-foot steeple as tall as 16-story building. It's far too big, neighbors say, for this small residential town. "Never could I have imaged that we would consider putting a building of that size on that lot," Oswald said. At a packed meeting Thursday night, a church spokesperson told the town's Planning and Zoning Committee that every aspect of the temple's design serves a religious purpose with symbols like the steeple, meant to draw the eye upwards to heaven. The committee, though, sided with neighbors and voted to recommend council members reject the proposal. Mayor Henry Lessner said, that's exactly what he plans to do. "I can only speak for myself. I will never approve that," he said. "It is just grossly out of proportion to everything around there." The city says it's received 350 messages from Fairview residents about the proposal. The vast majority, 87% of them, expressed opposition to the temple's design. It's received more than twice as many from non-residents, with 89% of those messages in favor of it. The church, widely known as the Mormon Church, has faced similar disputes in other cities amid a boom in construction. Last year, it sued the town of Cody, Wyoming to get a temple built. The mayor says the church's local attorney has threatened it'd sue Fairview too. "They're an extraordinarily wealthy religion. We're a little town in North Texas…" he said. "They're being a bully in a way." The church told CBS News it is confident legal precedence supports construction of its temple in Fairview. Neighbors, meanwhile, have organized to fight it. "It's a David and Goliath story. And we're the David," said Lisa Foradori, which lives nearby. "Building a ginormous 16-story church in a residential area just isn't keeping it country." ------------------------------------------------------- The Mormon church recently did this in Cody, Wyoming but the city planner is Mormon and determined the steeple height is exempt from city ordinance height restrictions. https://cowboystatedaily.com/2023/06/13/77-foot-steeple-for-mormon-temple-in-cody-not-part-of-roof-doesnt-violate-30-foot-limit-city-planner-says/ The city council opposed the height exemptions but the Mormon church threatened the city with litigation to get their way. https://www.codyenterprise.com/news/local/article_42647158-355b-11ee-b6e8-f3e1726f834b.html ------------------------------------------------------- The Mormon church is doing this again right now in Lone Mountain, Nevada where the spire will sit 216 feet high above the surrounding homes. Home lots are restricted by the Interlocal Agreement between the City of Las Vegas and Clark County to a single-family home no taller than two stories, yet the mormons are again using lawfare to force through an eyesore spire 216 feet tall in the middle of a residential area. The balloon circled in red is the height of the spire:  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13334769/mormon-temple-Lone-Mountain-Nevada-town-anger-height.html------------------------------------------------------ It's odd they're wasting their resources pushing temple spires of absurd heights on neighborhoods and claiming the spire of the building is essential to their doctrine when some Mormon temples do not even have a spire... Mesa, AZ Mormon temple Hong Kong Mormon temple Mormons have long enjoyed the common thought by others that they're "Good neighbors" but forcing this down communities' throats via lawfare and threats of bankrupting the city coffers seems misplaced... ----------------------------------------------------- And then there's these two conflicting and wild statements from Mormon members in Fairview...  Mind-Blowing ?? Spiritual Beliefs that Will Shock You! LDS McKinney Temple Public Meeting (Audio)  LDS Member Drops Bombshell About McKinney, TX Temple Steeple Height Claim (Audio) |
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Quoted: "Never could I have imaged that we would consider putting a building of that size on that lot," Oswald said. "I can only speak for myself. I will never approve that," he said. "It is just grossly out of proportion to everything around there." "Building a ginormous 16-story church in a residential area just isn't keeping it country." Cant speak to the Law, but they aren't keeping it Country with this. I do like their gigantic temples in large cities; used to think the one in Oakland when I was a kid looked badass. 
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Quoted: Getting upset about church steeples on the skyline seems a bit excessive. Growing up around small towns, the churches downtown were always the tallest buildings around. To be fair steeples are just Asherah poles which are pagan fertility moniments. It's a phallus not unlike an Egyptian obelisk. You can thank the Romans for introducing all of that to "big C" Christianity. I'm not particularly fond of idols myself. |
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Quoted: The city says it's received 350 messages from Fairview residents about the proposal. The vast majority, 87% of them, expressed opposition to the temple's design. It's received more than twice as many from non-residents, with 89% of those messages in favor of it. Go figure. 
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Quoted: City ordinance limits building height to 35'. Quoted: Quoted: Is there an existing local ordinance that prohibits buildings over "X" feet tall? If there isn't then fuck off. City ordinance limits building height to 35'. Attached File |
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Quoted: Is there an existing local ordinance that prohibits buildings over "X" feet tall? If there isn't then fuck off. Well there's an existing planning and zoning committee that can reject it...so yeah, they could likely pick a propety in unincorporated Collin County just a few miles to the east and be free to do as they wish. But that wouldn't align with their real intention to do whatever the fuck they want. |
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Quoted: Cant speak to the Law, but they aren't keeping it Country with this. I do like their gigantic temples in large cities; used to think the one in Oakland when I was a kid looked badass. https://s.hdnux.com/photos/01/23/12/10/21799437/4/720x0.webp |
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Quoted: Growing up around small towns, the churches downtown were always the tallest buildings around. The proposed spired here are pretty far outside normal 'tall church' experience. This is a 175' lighthouse in a residential area, to provide some sense of scale of how a 173'-216' tall church spire would dominate the landscape. It would become the defining visual characteristic of the town. |
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Quoted: The proposed spired here are pretty far outside normal 'tall church' experience. This is a 175' lighthouse in a residential area, to provide some sense of scale of how a 173'-216' tall church spire would dominate the landscape. It would become the defining visual characteristic of the town. https://www.ponceinlet.org/z/-vf.0.0.0.134.DCBF4AF1E0F0136BA8F225992A28629C15298C857311547388ED08039BD2C1C0 Does the town have a defining visual characteristic now? Or is it the blandest suburban town imaginable? |
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You'd think that a church would want to be good members of a community and work within the existing building height restrictions. Fairview is a little town. They do not have the finances for a protracted legal battle against a billion dollar enterprise like the LDS church. |
| Tax that fucker out of existence. Call the FAA about the height. Get the enviro nazis involved on a threatened habitat violation. Surely the EPA (Air Control) will see the wind speed averages drop post construction. YEARS of modeling will be needed to know for SURE. |
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Quoted: Well there's an existing planning and zoning committee that can reject it...so yeah, they could likely pick a propety in unincorporated Collin County just a few miles to the east and be free to do as they wish. But that wouldn't align with their real intention to do whatever the fuck they want. Quoted: Quoted: Is there an existing local ordinance that prohibits buildings over "X" feet tall? If there isn't then fuck off. Well there's an existing planning and zoning committee that can reject it...so yeah, they could likely pick a propety in unincorporated Collin County just a few miles to the east and be free to do as they wish. But that wouldn't align with their real intention to do whatever the fuck they want. The LDS church should look at the undeveloped land up around Farmersville. There is a Muslim cemetery up there that needs neighbors. |
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Quoted: City ordinance limits building height to 35'. Quoted: Quoted: Is there an existing local ordinance that prohibits buildings over "X" feet tall? If there isn't then fuck off. City ordinance limits building height to 35'. That's pretty short, but if so I don't see where the problem is coming in. Don't give them a building permit. Unless they have already given exceptions to other organizations, then they're going to have trouble. |
| I guess I fail to see the need for such a high object. I guess, if it is their property, they can do with it as they wish. Hopefully they do not upset someone enough that a local opposed vandal would set the building on fire while it was being constructed - but I guess that is the chance you take when you take actions that your neighbors believe harm your neighbors and their community. |
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Quoted: Because there are building codes for a reason. It's why they can't build a lead smelter next to a school. There is absolutely nothing in the building code prohibiting a lead smelter next to a school. You have no idea what you're talking about. ETA: What does a lead smelter have to do with the height of a church, anyway? |
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Fairview isn't big, but it's also not rural. Hell, this thing is a couple miles away. Attached File |
[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Mormon church lawfair to force 173' spire on Fairview TX and 216' spire on Lone Mtn, NV residents (Page 1 of 9)
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