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4/12/2020 12:13:52 PM EDT
I was at home depot early this morning since we needed a bunch of home repair tools. I load up the minivan with a couple hundred dollars with of tools and go to leave. I notice there's a car with 2 masked men behind me as I leave. Ok, not so weird, I'm wearing a mask and gloves.

I go to turn left in a double turning lane and they stay behind me. make the turn and I notice they stay about 10 feet back no matter how fast I drive. I intentionally go annoyingly slow in the right lane, they don't pass.

I make a 3rd turn and they are still on my butt. I believe I remember the 3 turn rule, but I'm not sure if that's a real thing or I'm imagining it. Anyway they are still right there, so I figure something is up. And these 3 turns now have been very specific and only lead to a few neighborhoods, so it's not a common way of travel around here.

Speed up coming to a traffic circle, and go completely around it so I've basically done a 180. They seems to pause in the circle and then went another way. I stayed back until they were gone the other way before turning towards our neighborhood. Had they followed me around I would have called police as I was driving towards the nearest station.

I guess I'm wondering when you should start think you're being followed, and how long into a trip do you start to pay attention to it. I feel like I looked like a target, suburban dad piling tools into a mini van in obvious view, but nothing I could really do about that. Was carrying but concealed.

I'm not sure if I'm just on edge because of reading about everything going on in the world, or that there were so few cars out they were easy to see.

4/12/2020 12:14:59 PM EDT
[#1]
Do you still have the free candy sign on the side of the van?
4/12/2020 12:15:51 PM EDT
[#2]
Crazy Ivan?
4/12/2020 12:16:32 PM EDT
[#3]
Shoot at them. If they shoot back you are being followed. If they crash their car you weren’t
4/12/2020 12:16:44 PM EDT
[#4]
FPNI of course..
4/12/2020 12:17:01 PM EDT
[#5]
So much for the stay at home orders...lol
4/12/2020 12:17:42 PM EDT
[#6]
You see headlights, you’re being followed.
You see tail lights, they’re going the other way.
4/12/2020 12:18:04 PM EDT
[#7]
You can tell when a car is following you, as you just learned.
4/12/2020 12:18:11 PM EDT
[#8]
I ALWAYS make mental notes of cars behind me. And i also pull "Crazy Ivans" all the time.

4/12/2020 12:18:53 PM EDT
[#9]
Alter your route, double back, take unnecessarily long detours.  

It ought to be easy to discover a tail, especially if it's just one vehicle.  



Or you're being paranoid.  In which case, doing the above makes you even more paranoid.  
4/12/2020 12:19:32 PM EDT
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Shoot at them. If they shoot back you are being followed. If they crash their car you weren’t
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I LOL'd
4/12/2020 12:21:03 PM EDT
[#11]
OP, if you go "completely around" a traffic circle, aren't you doing a 360?  

Anthony Quinn would like to know...


4/12/2020 12:21:03 PM EDT
[#12]
Huh...it's, usually, the flashing blue lights that let me know.
4/12/2020 12:21:28 PM EDT
[#13]
what's a crazy ivan?
4/12/2020 12:22:56 PM EDT
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Speed up coming to a traffic circle, and go completely around it so I've basically done a 180.
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Um... completely around would be 360.
so
4/12/2020 12:23:34 PM EDT
[#15]
The rule of 3 lefts. Three left turns in a row and still being followed. Yup, you are. Told my bride and kids this. You don't head home, you call the cops and head to the station.
4/12/2020 12:23:48 PM EDT
[#16]
If in a slower neighborhood, turn your right turn signal on while approaching a stop sign, then make a left turn. Assuming they also use their turn signals you'll know immediately if they continue to follow.
4/12/2020 12:24:12 PM EDT
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It's when you go to starboard in the bottom half of the hour.


Edit:  I remember reading somewhere ("Blind Man's Bluff", maybe?) that a true crazy Ivan was a bit MORE dramatic than what was depicted in HFRO.  In the movie the Typhoon pulls a U-turn and proceeds slowly back down it's course to clear it's baffles.  In the book I think they described it a something far more aggressive; whipping around and charging at speed back up the way they'd come.  There was as much as aspect of "getting the fuck out of the way" as there was "making like a hole in the water".  
4/12/2020 12:24:29 PM EDT
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If you suspect it, do just like you did, and never, ever pull into your own driveway. Make sure you lose them before returning home. The last thing you want to do is lead them to where you live. Don't even go near your own neighborhood.
4/12/2020 12:25:34 PM EDT
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The Hunt For Red October 1990 - Crazy Ivan
4/12/2020 12:25:49 PM EDT
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The rule of 3 lefts. Three left turns in a row and still being followed. Yup, you are. Told my bride and kids this. You don't head home, you call the cops and head to the station.
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I was taught 3 rights.

Same principle though.
4/12/2020 12:26:49 PM EDT
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It's when you go to starboard in the bottom half of the hour.
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what's a crazy ivan?

It's when you go to starboard in the bottom half of the hour.


One ping only.
4/12/2020 12:27:08 PM EDT
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Um... completely around would be 360.
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ok, so I did 360 degrees around a circle and the car ended up 190 degrees of how I went into it. that help ?
4/12/2020 12:27:37 PM EDT
[#23]
Park in the middle of traffic, hop out, brush your jacket back so it gets hung up on your sidearm, walk up to the driver's side, tap on the window, and ask them if they need any police assistance.
4/12/2020 12:28:31 PM EDT
[#24]
The three turn rule is turns in the same direction lol. 3 rights make a left. Anyone following your through three rights should’ve just turned left 3 blocks ago. That’s where the rule comes from
4/12/2020 12:28:53 PM EDT
[#25]
since watching the breaking bad home depot episode I just figure shits ready to pop off as soon as I enter the parking lot.

4/12/2020 12:29:34 PM EDT
[#26]
go the wrong way down a one way street. if they follow you, they're following you
4/12/2020 12:30:36 PM EDT
[#27]
Always keep a box of those short galvanized nails and a quart of oil in your car for these situations.

eta: And never stop at toll booths, I learned that in Godfather.
4/12/2020 12:30:42 PM EDT
[#28]
If I think someone is following me I just slow down and drive like 5 under.
No one in their right mind keeps following you when you're going under the speed limit.

Also, why are you wearing a mask/gloves inside your own car? I take off any gloves (discard) and mask (throw it on the dash) before touching ANYTHING in my car to avoid cross contamination. Then I purell.
4/12/2020 12:30:45 PM EDT
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Alter your route, double back, take unnecessarily long detours.  
It ought to be easy to discover a tail, especially if it's just one vehicle.
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It isn't easy if they're using revolving tails (especially in the city), but in more remote areas it's still fairly easy to detect by altering you course several times like Deadtired suggests.

If you follow Matt's suggestion, try to capture 1 or 2 of the occupants alive so you can interrogate them.
4/12/2020 12:31:06 PM EDT
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Worked corrections and did security contracting in the hood. If you want to know if youre being followed look for a drive through. How many people pull up to a 24 hour mc d’s get in the drive through then get out before you stuck in. If they follow they must not be hungry either.
Also round abouts or traffic circles going to one see if they follow you around two or three times. Hit the local police substation and back into a spot. Look for a cop running a speed trap on the side of the road and pull up to him.
4/12/2020 12:32:41 PM EDT
[#31]
Back when I lived at home with my folks, had an interesting situation.  I had just left work, and was headed home. After about 3 turns I started getting concerned.  It was getting dark, and couldn't make out the car. I was definitely being followed.  After about 5 more turns was still after me. So probably about 8 turns and was definitely being followed. I was coming up on home. I debated about  slowing down and jumping from vehicle. But on second thought I turned into driveway.  Yep. Car turned too. Pulled Into parking place, quickly exited vehicle. It was my brother. By coincidence he was coming home same time as me.
4/12/2020 12:33:23 PM EDT
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4/12/2020 12:35:24 PM EDT
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OP just assume they are after the 3 turn rule is exceeded, and then make a random turn at an intersection. Don't let "I can't believe it" bias take over.

Odds are of course you'll lose them. If they keep turning with you make a beeline for the police station. If you can get a license # somehow while you're doing the turns, text it to yourself or your wife. I've done that - some guy gets road rage on you for no reason, I want someone to know who it is.
4/12/2020 12:35:45 PM EDT
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It isn't easy if they're using revolving tails (especially in the city), but in more remote areas it's still fairly easy to detect by altering you course several times like Deadtired suggests.

If you follow Matt's suggestion, try to capture 1 or 2 of the occupants alive so you can interrogate them.
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I'm guessing (perhaps in error) that your average opportunistic crims aren't going to be the sort to employ revolving or waterfall surveillance.  
4/12/2020 12:36:45 PM EDT
[#35]
I had this happen once before when I lived in Texas, guy followed me for like 8 turns. I pulled a few hundred yards away from my house and he stopped at my house and got out! Had a pizza I didn't know my wife ordered...


this time it felt different and I'm more rural than before. Plus with the thought that I was obviously loading up tools I probably looked like a good target
4/12/2020 12:38:48 PM EDT
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Once upon a time It was late at night.. 11pm. Making a left on a service drive. Before I could turn left I had to wait for a green. Well, a select car passed the intersection that caught my attention. I ended up turning and low and behold this car had slowed all the way down so I would catch up. Knowing we had a few stoplights before the e-way I stayed behind him. I stayed 4 car lengths behind him going and I am not joking.. 5mph. We did this all the way until the on ramp of a highway. At that point he had halted in the middle of the road. As soon as the taillights came on. I smashed the gas pedal on a very quick modded 300C and hit the ramp at 130 plus and pinned it . I knew what was about to happen next and I wasnt waiting around to find out
4/12/2020 12:39:32 PM EDT
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You disappoint me.
4/12/2020 12:41:23 PM EDT
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I'm guessing (perhaps in error) that your average opportunistic crimes aren't going to be the sort to employ revolving or waterfall surveillance.  
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I agree with you.

I was just being extra ridiculous.
4/12/2020 12:41:37 PM EDT
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Back when I lived at home with my folks, had an interesting situation.  I had just left work, and was headed home. After about 3 turns I started getting concerned.  It was getting dark, and couldn't make out the car. I was definitely being followed.  After about 5 more turns was still after me. So probably about 8 turns and was definitely being followed. I was coming up on home. I debated about  slowing down and jumping from vehicle. But on second thought I turned into driveway.  Yep. Car turned too. Pulled Into parking place, quickly exited vehicle. It was my brother. By coincidence he was coming home same time as me.
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What would this accomplish?
4/12/2020 12:41:43 PM EDT
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I drive like Mr. Toad.

It makes it pretty easy to tell if you're being followed.
4/12/2020 12:41:53 PM EDT
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I had this happen once before when I lived in Texas, guy followed me for like 8 turns. I pulled a few hundred yards away from my house and he stopped at my house and got out! Had a pizza I didn't know my wife ordered...


this time it felt different and I'm more rural than before. Plus with the thought that I was obviously loading up tools I probably looked like a good target
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I did that to somebody by accident.  

A pizza delivery car pulled out in front of me on my commute home;

I followed it turn for turn from the parking lot until it stopped: in my driveway.  I pulled up next to it and got out.  

My wife had ordered it without me knowing
4/12/2020 12:43:33 PM EDT
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If I think someone is following me I just slow down and drive like 5 under.
No one in their right mind keeps following you when you're going under the speed limit.

Also, why are you wearing a mask/gloves inside your own car? I take off any gloves (discard) and mask (throw it on the dash) before touching ANYTHING in my car to avoid cross contamination. Then I purell.
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Same people I see in the store hiding their phone with a gloved hand. Guess what numbnuts? All that shits on your phone now.

People have no idea how to properly use PPE. I almost don’t blame the government for lying to us anymore
4/12/2020 12:46:06 PM EDT
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So much for the stay at home orders...lol
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Fuck that noise
4/12/2020 12:48:12 PM EDT
[#44]
If someone behind me makes three turns, same as me, I begin evasive maneuvers.


4/12/2020 12:53:27 PM EDT
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Borrowing on the three turn rule, "Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action." attributed to G.S. Patton.
4/12/2020 12:53:32 PM EDT
[#46]
Get up to 88 mph and then hit your flux capacitor.

They may follow you through space, but they ain't gonna follow you through time.

4/12/2020 12:56:45 PM EDT
[#47]
Followed over a couple hundred dollars worth of tools?   LOL
4/12/2020 12:57:12 PM EDT
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Park in the middle of traffic, hop out, brush your jacket back so it gets hung up on your sidearm, walk up to the driver's side, tap on the window, and ask them if they need any police assistance.
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4/12/2020 12:59:34 PM EDT
[#49]
Like this-
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4/12/2020 1:01:06 PM EDT
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