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Posted: 1/11/2016 3:02:53 PM EDT
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I had the wild idea of turning a surefire warden into a micro sized form 1 suppressor. The only real reason is to keep the mounting system since all my AR's have SF muzzle brakes. Also can't find a micro anymore.
Questions are: Legality? What material is the warden made of? I assume you can weld on the warden? Any thoughts? I don't expect much in suppression. Just looking for something to take the edge off of my precision builds which all have 16-24 inch barrels. |
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I had the wild idea of turning a surefire warden into a micro sized form 1 suppressor. The only real reason is to keep the mounting system since all my AR's have SF muzzle brakes. Also can't find a micro anymore. Questions are: Legality? 100% with a tax paid F1 What material is the warden made of? I assume you can weld on the warden? expand on this. Why are you welding? Any thoughts? I don't expect much in suppression. Just looking for something to take the edge off of my precision builds which all have 16-24 inch barrels. I asked about this when SiCO/AAC/SF announced their blast shields. I believe TheTacticalCoyote said they're made super thin on purpose so you can't do this. |
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Was thinking about cutting in half and welding back together or welding a new end cap on after cutting out the blast portion.
Interesting on the thickness part. Will have to look into that. I ordered one just to play with. Worst case I use it on my stuff when not running suppressed. |
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I asked about this when SiCO/AAC/SF announced their blast shields. I believe TheTacticalCoyote said they're made super thin on purpose so you can't do this. Quoted:
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I had the wild idea of turning a surefire warden into a micro sized form 1 suppressor. The only real reason is to keep the mounting system since all my AR's have SF muzzle brakes. Also can't find a micro anymore. Questions are: Legality? 100% with a tax paid F1 What material is the warden made of? I assume you can weld on the warden? expand on this. Why are you welding? Any thoughts? I don't expect much in suppression. Just looking for something to take the edge off of my precision builds which all have 16-24 inch barrels. I asked about this when SiCO/AAC/SF announced their blast shields. I believe TheTacticalCoyote said they're made super thin on purpose so you can't do this. Bummer......but i can sympathize i guess. |
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Very interested to see what you find out here.
I've been thinking about this ever since I first read about the warden. Like you, I have SF brakes on nearly all of my rifles (some pinned and welded) so swapping out to accommodate a different can will be a big pain. Looking at the dimensions, it appears that it could be pressed in to one of The DM 1.6" SS tubes and welded in place. Maybe that would help with the wall thickness issue? If you look around on YouTube there is something called "Warden Wobble" where apparently it doesn't lock up quite like Surefire cans do, which could lead to baffle strikes... Hard to say from a YouTube video though. Very interested in what you find out. If it looks like it will work, I may order a couple and experiment with them. |
It seems like the thickness of the wall on the Warden could be a major limiting factor. I am not a machinist, but just spit balling ideas and had the thought of sleeving the whole thing and adding a baffle or two if you actually want some suppression and are ok with adding a little length.. Of course - attaching the sleeve might be problematic. First thought was thread the outside of the Warden and screw it into a new tube, but if it is too thin that obviously won't work. Next thought was if there was a way to attach a sleeve between the body and the lock ring, but pretty sure that wouldn't be strong enough even if you could get some material in there. Final thought was - this sure seems like an exercise in futility, not to mention an expensive start to an F1 build. 
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Very interested to see what you find out here. I've been thinking about this ever since I first read about the warden. Like you, I have SF brakes on nearly all of my rifles (some pinned and welded) so swapping out to accommodate a different can will be a big pain. Looking at the dimensions, it appears that it could be pressed in to one of The DM 1.6" SS tubes and welded in place. Maybe that would help with the wall thickness issue? If you look around on YouTube there is something called "Warden Wobble" where apparently it doesn't lock up quite like Surefire cans do, which could lead to baffle strikes... Hard to say from a YouTube video though. Very interested in what you find out. If it looks like it will work, I may order a couple and experiment with them. Never heard of that. Lol, good one surefire |
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I bet you could press a sleeve with the baffles into the warden and just weld or thread an endcap. 3 inches of material pressed together isn't going to move I don't think.
I can machine and weld, so we shall see if this is feasible. I'll try the mount first and if tight, then see how feasible the idea is. Hoping it is possible but worst case I sell it or use it for it's intended purpose. Considering a mini or micro suppressor is at least $800, nearly any form 1 design would be cheaper if possible. |
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I bet you could press a sleeve with the baffles into the warden and just weld or thread an endcap. 3 inches of material pressed together isn't going to move I don't think. I can machine and weld, so we shall see if this is feasible. I'll try the mount first and if tight, then see how feasible the idea is. Hoping it is possible but worst case I sell it or use it for it's intended purpose. Considering a mini or micro suppressor is at least $800, nearly any form 1 design would be cheaper if possible. I paid $774.95 for a Socom mini FDE and SF3P last month. |
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I bet you could press a sleeve with the baffles into the warden and just weld or thread an endcap. 3 inches of material pressed together isn't going to move I don't think. I can machine and weld, so we shall see if this is feasible. I'll try the mount first and if tight, then see how feasible the idea is. Hoping it is possible but worst case I sell it or use it for it's intended purpose. Considering a mini or micro suppressor is at least $800, nearly any form 1 design would be cheaper if possible. Hell, if you are a machinist, I don't see why you couldnt turn it into a F1 project. Cut off the end, use the end(of the cut warden) as a stop point for your baffles(IE the warden can be your blast chamber, cut to desired length), mill/turn out some baffles with the same OD as it, make a tube with the ID the same dimension as the OD of the warden/baffles. Cut some(four or so) holes in the sleeve, weld the rear lip of the sleeve to the warden, then weld the holes for added strength. Thread the front of the tube for a cap and bam. Done and done. I would be concerned with how it mounts/locks up. But you have access to machines where you can make replacement parts for the QD part if possible, in order to tighten the fit up. |
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Hell, if you are a machinist, I don't see why you couldnt turn it into a F1 project. Cut off the end, use the end(of the cut warden) as a stop point for your baffles(IE the warden can be your blast chamber, cut to desired length), mill/turn out some baffles with the same OD as it, make a tube with the ID the same dimension as the OD of the warden/baffles. Cut some(four or so) holes in the sleeve, weld the rear lip of the sleeve to the warden, then weld the holes for added strength. Thread the front of the tube for a cap and bam. Done and done. I would be concerned with how it mounts/locks up. But you have access to machines where you can make replacement parts for the QD part if possible, in order to tighten the fit up. That is almost exactly what I was thinking. |
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