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Posted: 11/26/2007 7:13:23 PM EDT
| Ok, I recently ordered a Coharie and am wondering if anyone has shot any of the Hirtenberger L7A1 ammo through any of theres and if they had any problems? |
Not true. The L7A1 ammo was designed to be used in the Sterling Machinegun and other BLOWBACK (Uzi and etc...)weapons....not the delayed roller-lock weapons. Maj ETA: Go ask the Pros over at HKPRO.com before shooting it in your Clone. I wouldn't risk it... |
ok so no regular target load ammo like WWB, Remington, etc...along with 10 other MAJOR brand types of common ammo... and no milsurp hot stuff....or +P ammo.... so wtf you supposed to shoot in these things....magical freakin rounds?  Id love one but they seem WAY too picky/particular with what types ammo. I dont to have to special order Georgia Arms ammo or whatever some guys rave about....special ordering premium ammo isnt really realistic. |
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Yeah...it is a load of crap that a Coharie won't shoot WWB 9mm ammo or any other plinking off the shelf 9mm ammo. A real MP5 will eat about anything you feed it. I'm just saying that Hirt and other +p ammo isn't intended for the OEM HK weapon. I think that's why the French designed or upgraded to the MP5"F" model. It's designed to shoot hotter ammo. The Coharie is certainly not designed the same as the "F" model. Maj |
Since changing the .308 hammer spring on my SW5 over to a 9mm version, I've shot WWB and Monarch ammo quite a bit without any significant problems. The consistency of the ammo is what has caused the problems. I can watch the casings eject from the gun and they are regularly popping out about 3'-5' with the weak stuff. They'll go out to about 7'-10' with S&B or Fiochi. But with the weak stuff I'll occasionally get one only coming out about 1'. I've noticed a similar problem with this stuff in my Sig 226. Many of the good reports that we've gotten about what HKs will eat are based on older guns that are broken in or with ammo back when it had better consistency. And some of it is just the fact that they were better guns. 
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Dieter, this is the third different MP5 clone thread that you have posted in regarding ammo. Not only is your comment about "magic rounds" a gross exaggeration, but I am starting to think that you are purposely looking for Coharie MP5 clone threads just so you can shit in them.  In kap_x's CA94 range report thread here: kap_x CA94 range report I already addressed your concern about inexpensive 9mm ammo that functions flawlessly in my CA94. I have been able to find all three brands of ammo that I referenced locally, and have not had to order any from an online source. Here is a recap of my post:
I think we all get the point that you don't want a Coharie clone due to this problem you have with ammo availability in your area. We get it, and we support your choice as a consumer and a free American NOT to buy a Coharie gun. Now for crying out loud, please stop shitting in every Coharie thread you can find. If you buy one, I am sure that you would enjoy it so much that the slight inconvenience that you experience by having to search a little harder for ammo at sources other than at your local Wal Mart would be greatly offset by the fun you have shooting the Coharie gun. Personally, I don't care what you do. Just stop beating the dead horse.  |
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I fired Hirtenberger ammo and just about every other brand of ammo on their "do not shoot" list. Worked 100% with no problems. Some brass kicked out several feet, some just a few inches. My CA89 clone is about 6 months old, so I have no idea what springs are in the gun. If I start having problems, i'll look into it. Otherwise, it just works. Steve |
Does it have the metal fire control group? |
My CA94 is about a month old, and has eaten everything I've fed it 100%- most of which was on the underpowered no-no list as well. 
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Read this thread for a timeline on when the second metal pack came out back in about July/August. www.hk-54.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=1108 |
Fuck that I feed this little beastie high quality WWB all the damn time and she don't choke on it. And every now and them I give her some mil surplus 9mm for a treat.   ETA: 1. Winchester White box value packs from Wally World. Have had no issues 2. Remington UMC Have had no issues 3. Reloads Have not used 4. Wolf Have had no issues 5. Blazer aluminum case ammo Have not used 6. Military surplus ammo Have had no issues |
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Ok, I have gotten a lot of good information from this thread. The reason I ask is because I dont want to take a $1100 dollar firearm and have it damaged due to the fact that this ammo has higher pressures. So I am not really looking about function, I can try that out really I was looking for any safety concerns for myself as well as the firearm. |
I am not shitting on them, I am just critical when a mfg states that it will null any warranty on the rifle..thats just simply not cool.. With that said, i DO PLAN on buying a MP5 clone, and a Coharie Arms seems like the best game in town at the moment, so it will be the route I will be going. Please dont take my posts the wrong way, I just wanted to maximize feedback on the topic and see peoples responses (primarily those who actually OWN these firearms). Again 99% of the feedback ive gotten has been positive, so I think I will be soon a Coharie owner myself. |
I've seen other things like this. I've spent time on the Coharie forum and posted a lot there. The impression that I get is that Todd (or whoever) put that disclaimer in the material to protect them against people doing stupid things to their guns and blowing them up. All of the sincere and reasonable requests that I've seen (last 9 months) have been well received and supported. I have no idea what the future will bring but that's the case with any brand. I'm not even sure if you could get HK to do any warranty work to a HK94. And certainly not to one that you've cut down and changed out several parts on. I've got a very upgraded SW5 (originally built in 2000) with a cast receiver and Todd has even offered to support it if I have any problems with it. I'm not sure that I'd expect him to as I cut the barrel off and crowned it myself, then started filling it up with HK parts.  I'm not too sure what I expect out of Coharie anyway, as they sell their guns cheap enough that you can replace almost all the moving parts and still be under the price for the competition. The latest ones don't even seem to require much updating at all, if any. But there again, this is just my perspective on the whole deal. Each of us have the individual rights to decide what we demand. |
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I just SBR'd my CA89 and shot S&B and Remington walmart ammo all day long without a single problem. I also have a SW5 (non-cast) that eats everything. The only problems I've ever had with either is when I used a cheap pakistan 40rd mag. It just doesn't work good. |
A solution may the the MP5F telescoping stock which was designed for a French specification to mitigate the use of +p+ sub ammo. I'm not sure if there are other components to the "F" system as well to make it all work......These stocks run an about $450. From winkipedia : "MP5F: Model developed specifically for the French military. Rubber-padded retractable stock, ambidextrous sling loops/bolts and internal modifications to handle high-pressure ammunition. " www.hkparts.net/Pictures/MP5%209mm/Mp5%20F%20UNIVERSAL%20A3%20STOCK.JPG |
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