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4/5/2020 7:43:23 AM EDT
[#1]


Hopefully, you can see that color contrast in this old photo:
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4/5/2020 8:26:21 AM EDT
[#2]
IMT should bring you in for the to be released history of KAC special collectors edition coffee table book that will be released with the last lunchbox part.
4/5/2020 9:02:03 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By coldblue:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/19411/suppressor_muzzle-1351856.jpg

Hopefully, you can see that color contrast in this old photo:
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Yes sir, I’m tracking!

4/6/2020 10:14:04 AM EDT
[#4]
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Originally Posted By Gatorvet:
IMT should bring you in for the to be released history of KAC special collectors edition coffee table book that will be released with the last lunchbox part.
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I've been asking for a KAC coffee table book for years. The Vickers Guides have been great but a KAC specific one on all the prototypes and projects over the years would be amazing.
4/6/2020 7:32:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Outrider:


I've been asking for a KAC coffee table book for years. The Vickers Guides have been great but a KAC specific one on all the prototypes and projects over the years would be amazing.
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Originally Posted By Outrider:
Originally Posted By Gatorvet:
IMT should bring you in for the to be released history of KAC special collectors edition coffee table book that will be released with the last lunchbox part.


I've been asking for a KAC coffee table book for years. The Vickers Guides have been great but a KAC specific one on all the prototypes and projects over the years would be amazing.

That would be a ridiculously large collection of books. I want a set.
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4/13/2020 6:36:58 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:

That would be a ridiculously large collection of books. I want a set.
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Very much so....
4/13/2020 10:24:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TheBrokePilot][Edited] [#7]
What version of the Nightforce NXS 3.5-15x was issued? Clone rifles just says 3.5-15 but no info on reticle, turrets, focal plane, illumination, etc. Lots of varying info out there.

EDIT: I guess what i'm really trying to ask is there a visual difference between the mil/mil ffp version compared to the moa/moa sfp version?
4/15/2020 9:32:14 AM EDT
[#8]
Anyone know the brand of the A2 stock of these Knights?
Is it a Knights brand or something else?
Wondering what my closest bet would be for a replacement to match properly in looks and quality.
4/16/2020 9:20:55 AM EDT
[#9]
Dimpled SR25 APC i.e. M110K3



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4/16/2020 1:51:37 PM EDT
[#10]
Quaran-tanning

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4/16/2020 8:38:04 PM EDT
[#11]
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Both of your faces, I hate them.
Without blood, it doesn't count!
"A gun, like any other source of power, is a force for good or evil, being neither in itself, but dependent upon those who possess it."
4/18/2020 12:36:21 PM EDT
[#12]
Wow....that K3.
4/20/2020 12:31:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Movistar][Edited] [#13]
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Originally Posted By coldblue:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/19411/suppressor_muzzle-1351856.jpg

Hopefully, you can see that color contrast in this old photo:
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This pic makes me miss my ER and NSW return MK11 suppressor. I never should have sold them (which I did to pay for a lawyer for a custody battle). I’d kill to have them back again.

@coldblue thank you for sharing all the intimate details of these beautiful rifles that Defended our Freedom.

In a related question: what’s the difference between the ECC and EMC barrels? I can’t seem to find a difference.

Pic of old NSW Mk11 can for thread:

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4/20/2020 3:10:08 PM EDT
[#14]
Seems to my aging memory, the 16" ECC has a chromed bore, whereas the 16" EMC has a stainless steel barrel. Both weigh in at a bit over 9 lbs.
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4/20/2020 3:53:30 PM EDT
[#15]
I am under the impression that the EMC and ECC where both chrome lined.  The difference was EMC is a 11-twist and ECC is a 10-twist.  The mk-11 carbine had dimples stainless barrels, Obermeyers I believe.
4/20/2020 9:27:07 PM EDT
[#16]
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Originally Posted By j-dubya1:
I am under the impression that the EMC and ECC where both chrome lined.  The difference was EMC is a 11-twist and ECC is a 10-twist.  The mk-11 carbine had dimples stainless barrels, Obermeyers I believe.
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Looking at my 2011-12 produced EMC, it doesn't appear to be chrome lined. Chamber and muzzle is kinda dirty so it could be obscured, but looking at pics I took when I got it doesn't look like there's any lining.

I could be talking out of my ass, so YMMV.
Without blood, it doesn't count!
"A gun, like any other source of power, is a force for good or evil, being neither in itself, but dependent upon those who possess it."
4/20/2020 9:49:35 PM EDT
[#17]
ECC is Chrome Lined

EMC is not Chrome Lined

Both are Cut Rifled Chromoly
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4/20/2020 10:06:48 PM EDT
[#18]
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Originally Posted By themissinglink:
ECC is Chrome Lined

EMC is not Chrome Lined

Both are Cut Rifled Chromoly
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Makes sense. "Combat" carbine vs. "Match" carbine
Without blood, it doesn't count!
"A gun, like any other source of power, is a force for good or evil, being neither in itself, but dependent upon those who possess it."
4/21/2020 11:27:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Movistar][Edited] [#19]
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Originally Posted By themissinglink:
ECC is Chrome Lined

EMC is not Chrome Lined

Both are Cut Rifled Chromoly
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I’m not 100% sure that is correct. See this thread by the dude from KAC:

https://www.ar15.com/forums/Industry/THE-SR-25-INFO-THREAD/381-258793/SR25 info thread

He states the EMC is chrome lined and 1-11 vs ECC is chrome lined and 1-10.
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4/21/2020 11:35:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: sgwlower][Edited] [#20]
Yep I was pretty sure the big difference between the ECC and the EMC was the rail. The barrel was chrome lined on both with the faster twist being on the EMC.
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4/21/2020 11:37:32 AM EDT
[#21]
The EMC and ECC both have ball milled Chrome Lined barrels. They are essentially the same gun, the EMC was the first version with a URXII and the ECC followed with a URX 3.1. The EC came out at some point and had a URXII with a stainless match barrel, which is probably causing the confusion.
4/21/2020 1:58:55 PM EDT
[#22]
Don’t know how this ended up remaining NOS over the years but, I finally got the call yesterday and picked up this cherry #0060 after a 12 month wait.


4/22/2020 1:06:49 AM EDT
[#23]
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Originally Posted By Teufelhunden1:
Don’t know how this ended up remaining NOS over the years but, I finally got the call yesterday and picked up this cherry #0060 after a 12 month wait.

https://i.imgur.com/eHQTNNd.jpg
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4/23/2020 9:44:49 AM EDT
[#24]
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Originally Posted By Teufelhunden1:
Don’t know how this ended up remaining NOS over the years but, I finally got the call yesterday and picked up this cherry #0060 after a 12 month wait.

https://i.imgur.com/eHQTNNd.jpg
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Sweet baby jesus, it's beautiful!
4/23/2020 10:09:23 AM EDT
[#25]
Awesome rifles in here - hoping to add some pics soon myself.

Working on a clone (or very close to anyway) of this M-110k, though I'll probably use a different optic:


4/23/2020 12:09:10 PM EDT
[#26]
Can my Factory FDE SR25 pass as a m110k2 clone? She going to get a workout this weekend.

4/23/2020 12:49:49 PM EDT
[#27]
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Originally Posted By under9:
Can my Factory FDE SR25 pass as a m110k2 clone? She going to get a workout this weekend.

https://i.imgur.com/2JyifrR.jpg
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Needs Magpul Furniture and more FDE.
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4/24/2020 10:53:39 AM EDT
[#28]
CAG M110K in Syria inspired build - in progress...

NOTE: will be using an LMT lower (which will be cerakoted to match the upper) until I can find an actual SR-25 lower



4/24/2020 1:31:45 PM EDT
[#29]
That's going to be a cool project.
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4/24/2020 2:10:45 PM EDT
[#30]
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
CAG M110K in Syria inspired build - in progress...

NOTE: will be using an LMT lower (which will be cerakoted to match the upper) until I can find an actual SR-25 lower


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M110K2, very nice
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4/24/2020 4:31:01 PM EDT
[#31]
Originally Posted By PresampleDepot:
That's going to be a cool project.
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Looking forward to completing it.

Originally Posted By themissinglink:


M110K2, very nice
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Thanks!
4/24/2020 9:13:38 PM EDT
[#32]
@wayfaerer320 Where did you find the LMT LPK? Primary arms and everywhere else I looked is out of stock
4/25/2020 3:00:09 AM EDT
[#33]
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Originally Posted By TheBrokePilot:
@wayfaerer320 Where did you find the LMT LPK? Primary arms and everywhere else I looked is out of stock
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LMT directly.
4/25/2020 4:04:54 PM EDT
[#34]
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:

LMT directly.
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Forgot to check LMT’s site
4/25/2020 4:29:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MNRidesHonda][Edited] [#35]


Pretty sure the traded-in EMCs are M110C uppers on SR25 lowers. If so, the traded-in EMCs have chrome lined barrels right? Cause that's what I've been assuming from the M110C slick sheet.

@coldblue @Jack_L do y'all have a better version/resolution of that M110C slick sheet!?
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4/25/2020 5:38:09 PM EDT
[#36]
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Originally Posted By MNRidesHonda:
https://i.imgur.com/h9nzrKN.jpg

Pretty sure the traded-in EMCs are M110C uppers on SR25 lowers. If so, the traded-in EMCs have chrome lined barrels right? Cause that's what I've been assuming from the M110C slick sheet.

@coldblue @Jack_L do y'all have a better version/resolution of that M110C slick sheet!?
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I really need to coat my EMC, but I don't have an ambi lower so that would bug me if I went that route.
Without blood, it doesn't count!
"A gun, like any other source of power, is a force for good or evil, being neither in itself, but dependent upon those who possess it."
4/25/2020 7:46:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Movistar][Edited] [#37]
Maybe Jack or Coldblue can chime in here as well on this. I notice that upper on the slick sheet for the M110C had the milled brass defector and the longer ejection port and welded two piece dust cover.

I just purchased an EMC that also has those. My understanding from internet research is that they made these adjustments to make it more reliable under high suppressed firing schedule.  Anyone with ANY info please chime in. It’s the little details of things that warm our KAC hearts.

Pic 1: early EMC I just bought
Pic 2: Mk11 Mod 0 with smaller ejection port
Pic 3: current production upper with longer port

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I circled the part I’m talking about. Look how different the 3 are.


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4/26/2020 8:26:26 AM EDT
[#38]
That Slick Sheet of mine above is a commercial adaptation of what we shipped to certain customers. Details of what we shipped I may not share, unless your family has a Body Bag in your size...
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4/26/2020 11:23:18 AM EDT
[#39]
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Originally Posted By coldblue:
That Slick Sheet of mine above is a commercial adaptation of what we shipped to certain customers. Details of what we shipped I may not share, unless your family has a Body Bag in your size...
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It’s just rude to ask a man to bring his own body bag.  Bad manners.

Every time I think I’ve run down the correct part, another twist in the KAC labyrinth.  Now I am looking for a M110 compatible upper receiver.  Also I am looking for a SR25 Match 24 inch barrel with the integrated threads that are close to the gas block.
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4/26/2020 1:22:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Cass][Edited] [#40]
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Originally Posted By coldblue:
That Slick Sheet of mine above is a commercial adaptation of what we shipped to certain customers. Details of what we shipped I may not share, unless your family has a Body Bag in your size...
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I don't want to see good body bags wasted, so here are a couple links. ;)

https://www.defensereview.com/kac-sr-25-em-carbine-for-u-s-military-special-operations-specops-dr-photos-from-sofic-2010/

https://www.defensereview.com/kac-m110-sasssr-25-em-carbinecompact-16-7-62mm-nato-battle-rifle-with-kac-762-mams-muzzle-brake-and-kac-qdc-and-cqb-muzzle-cans-silencerssound-suppressors-range-session-photos-and-video/

One more:

https://www.smallarmsales.com/product-p/31585a.htm

4/26/2020 2:05:22 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By coldblue:
That Slick Sheet of mine above is a commercial adaptation of what we shipped to certain customers. Details of what we shipped I may not share, unless your family has a Body Bag in your size...
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I’m not asking for more details than what’s on the slick sheet, just want a higher resolution photo or pdf of it for better viewing ????????
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4/26/2020 2:06:05 PM EDT
[#42]
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Nice!!! Thanks for those Sir ????
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4/26/2020 2:21:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Cass][Edited] [#43]
Here are some pictures of a couple rifles I've put together over the last year.

I just got the "Mk11" assembled this week. It started as an ER upper that I found last year. The upper receiver had been cerakoted and I wanted to go back to anodized, so I had Eric at Presample Depot remove the barrel and rail. I sent it to Wright Metal Finishing and had them remove the cerakote and anodize it. This week Eric reinstalled the barrel and installed the rail I had located. I got the rest of the parts and optics assembled yesterday. For now it is borrowing the lower from my SR-25 Match Rifle that I posted pictures of a couple weeks ago.

The M110 stated as a complete upper I found about a year ago. I got a recent SR-25 lower receiver and had Eric cerakote it and change to a rifle buffer etc. I added the scope later.

I'm looking forward to shooting the Mk11. The M110 shoots very well.

Cass









4/26/2020 2:32:23 PM EDT
[#44]
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Originally Posted By Cass:


Here are some pictures of a couple rifles I've put together over the last year.

I just got the "Mk11" assembled this week. It started as an ER upper that I found last year. The upper receiver had been cerakoted and I wanted to go back to anodized, so I had Eric at Presample Depot remove the barrel and rail. I sent it to Wright Metal Finishing and had them remove the cerakote and anodize it. This week Eric reinstalled the barrel and installed the rail I had located. I got the rest of the parts and optics assembled yesterday. For now it is borrowing the lower from my SR-25 Match Rifle that I posted pictures of a couple weeks ago.

The M110 stated as a complete upper I found about a year ago. I got a recent SR-25 lower receiver and had Eric cerakote it and change to a rifle buffer etc. I added the scope later.

I'm looking forward to shooting the Mk11. The M110 shoots very well.

Cass

https://i.imgur.com/9g3GuRO.jpg

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Very nice.
4/26/2020 3:12:29 PM EDT
[#45]
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Originally Posted By Movistar:
Maybe Jack or Coldblue can chime in here as well on this. I notice that upper on the slick sheet for the M110C had the milled brass defector and the longer ejection port and welded two piece dust cover.

I just purchased an EMC that also has those. My understanding from internet research is that they made these adjustments to make it more reliable under high suppressed firing schedule.  Anyone with ANY info please chime in. It's the little details of things that warm our KAC hearts.

Pic 1: early EMC I just bought
Pic 2: Mk11 Mod 0 with smaller ejection port
Pic 3: current production upper with longer port

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/392133/C4F2086D-E429-4785-8AD6-20E5F9A9A9BF_jpe-1386497.JPG

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/392133/8FCD998C-E85B-46BD-8976-954B8C7EF0BA_jpe-1386499.JPG

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/392133/D7277297-799B-40B2-B6F1-4F102A5F9892_jpe-1386508.JPG




I circled the part I'm talking about. Look how different the 3 are.


https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/392133/1D5A196A-29B7-4ADD-AC24-B711CB93D32D_jpe-1386927.JPG
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They widened the e-port around the time of the EMC being first released and initially made the welded e-port covers until they manufactured the correct size cover. The EMCs with welded covers are some of the earliest released guns. In pretty sure it was done to aid in ejection during suppressed for because they saw ejection issues with the smaller ports.
4/26/2020 3:16:59 PM EDT
[#46]
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Originally Posted By Cass:

Here are some pictures of a couple rifles I've put together over the last year.

I just got the "Mk11" assembled this week. It started as an ER upper that I found last year. The upper receiver had been cerakoted and I wanted to go back to anodized, so I had Eric at Presample Depot remove the barrel and rail. I sent it to Wright Metal Finishing and had them remove the cerakote and anodize it. This week Eric reinstalled the barrel and installed the rail I had located. I got the rest of the parts and optics assembled yesterday. For now it is borrowing the lower from my SR-25 Match Rifle that I posted pictures of a couple weeks ago.

The M110 stated as a complete upper I found about a year ago. I got a recent SR-25 lower receiver and had Eric cerakote it and change to a rifle buffer etc. I added the scope later.

I'm looking forward to shooting the Mk11. The M110 shoots very well.

Cass

https://i.imgur.com/jWyozV9.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/9g3GuRO.jpg




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Some of the details are interesting too:





















4/26/2020 4:05:34 PM EDT
[#47]
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Originally Posted By RangerRed:
They widened the e-port around the time of the EMC being first released and initially made the welded e-port covers until they manufactured the correct size cover. The EMCs with welded covers are some of the earliest released guns. In pretty sure it was done to aid in ejection during suppressed for because they saw ejection issues with the smaller ports.
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Thanks man that is what I thought. I just haven’t been able to find any more info and I haven’t seen it widely discussed. But there must be very few of them so no one really talks about it.

@csass epic set ups man.  I love those. Nice work.
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4/26/2020 4:48:58 PM EDT
[#48]
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4/27/2020 10:53:22 AM EDT
[#49]
M110 SASS Carbine?


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WTB: Short Action Remington MARS rail. Hit me up. I’ll make it worth your time.
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4/27/2020 12:10:30 PM EDT
[#50]
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Originally Posted By MNRidesHonda:
https://i.imgur.com/h9nzrKN.jpg

Pretty sure the traded-in EMCs are M110C uppers on SR25 lowers. If so, the traded-in EMCs have chrome lined barrels right? Cause that's what I've been assuming from the M110C slick sheet.

@coldblue @Jack_L do y'all have a better version/resolution of that M110C slick sheet!?
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The trade-in uppers are indeed chrome lined bores.
I'll see if I can dig up one of the old slick sheet files.
Jack Leuba
Director, Military and Government Sales
Knight's Armament Company

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