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Posted: 4/1/2012 3:33:19 AM EDT
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How much money do you have invested into your SBR, including trust or other legal and ATF fees? This would be for a single SBR, not your collection.
I'm looking at acquiring a basic, quality AR SBR such as an LMT, BCM, etc.,. and would like to get a handle on overall cost. I'd likely go the trust route and use a knowledgeable lawyer. TIA, Ray R |
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I'm still working on mine, but the costs are going to be pretty much the same. The big savings in the NFA world when going the trust route is whether or not to involve a lawyer.
Tax stamp: $200 Trust: $10-$40 with Quicken (depends on the software version you buy) or $100-$600 with a lawyer. If you have a CLEO that will sign off, you're out time and the cost of photos and fingerprints. Notarization of trust: $10-$20 at some notary public but probably included with a lawyer's fees. Making copies of forms and sending to ATF: Can't be more than a few dollars. If I'm missing something, I'm sure someone will chime in. |
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I'm still working on mine, but the costs are going to be pretty much the same. The big savings in the NFA world when going the trust route is whether or not to involve a lawyer. Tax stamp: $200 Trust: $10-$40 with Quicken (depends on the software version you buy) or $100-$600 with a lawyer. If you have a CLEO that will sign off, you're out time and the cost of photos and fingerprints. Notarization of trust: $10-$20 at some notary public but probably included with a lawyer's fees. Making copies of forms and sending to AFT: Can't be more than a few dollars. If I'm missing something, I'm sure someone will chime in. Thanks for your quick response. How much do you have into your AR? Just the basic weapon. |
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No problem.
Oh, no, don't do this to me....The AR that I am going to SBR is currently in parts. I think I have everything but a stock (I will run it in a pistol 'til the stamp arrives) and I used premium parts. You can do a basic SBR for much cheaper, say by buying a complete BCM or LMT upper and picking up used parts off the EE (my upper and charging handle are used). Also, not all of my accessories are necessary and are a matter of personal preference. Further, I still need to pick up a vice and torque wrench to assemble myself, which also increases the cost. I would like to be able to work on my own guns, so it seems like a reasonable investment to make. Noveske lower: $200 (you can find a lower cheaper and I definitely overpaid) DD 10.3 barrel: $256 DD low-profile gas block: $56 Gas tube: $12 Colt upper receiver: $155 Colt BCG: $150 (took out of a complete upper that I sold) PRI M84 gas buster charging handle: $70 DD Mk18 RIS II: $308 KAC 300m rear buis: $77 KAC taupe front buis: $186 (this one always hurts but it's worth it) G&R Tactical LPK: $55 (no grip included) LMT receier extension, castle nut, CMT H2 buffer: about $50 but it's hard to say since I got most parts in a kit Magpul MIAD grip: $42 (also bought a CR123 grip core) Magpul BAD: $25 CQD sling mounts (front and rear): $59 Optic: won't be getting that for a while. Total (gulp): $1546 That number is actually not that bad considering the parts that I have in this thing. Add another $100 or so for a stock (probably more since I will most likely want a SOPMOD). That's about par for the course for a top-of-the-line AR. You could probably get a factory SBR (e.g., Colt 6933) for a little less but you will also have fees for Form 3 transfers (dealer to dealer). I like that I get to have all my parts on hand during the whole waiting process. |
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LMT SOPMOD 16 in 2008 $1000
New barrel and threading for suppressor: $190 (got a great deal) $65 contour at ADCO YHM 762 Brake mount: $100 Daniel Defense MFR $210 TLR-1 $80 MBUS v2 $60 Cerakote refinishing on upper and lower $100 PRI latch $20 Aimpoint R1 and Larue 660 $380 Magpul RVG $15 KAC triggerguard $30 H2 buffer $30 Noveske QD plate $20 $2310 including the thread protector for the brake $200 stamp The other shorty upper I have runs a 604 upper that I picked up here for $55 Barrel was $160 Threading $40 Contour $65 YHM 762 FH $65 Delta pack/cap and HGs: free  when I installed a TRX on my friend's AR
FSB I picked up here $10 Just need to install some carbine triangles and a new cap to complete "the look" That will be another $30 or $40 once I'm done. Welcome to SBRD Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Factory Built LMT SBR:
NFA Trust - $125.00 LMT 12" Piston CQB MRP - $1800.00 Tax Stamp - $200.00 Aimpoint H1 - $550.00 GG&G QD Mount - $195.00 AAC Muzzle Brake Supp. Mount - $150 Magpul AFG -$30 $3050.00 for SBR and optics, add another $1200 for my AAC M4-2000 including another tax stamp |
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10.5" Franken-AR C3 Billet Lower - $230 10.5" WOA Barrel - $267 LaRue 10.0 HG - $299 Vortex FH - $52 Tango Down Battle Grip - $37 Tango Down QD VFG - $89 LMT Sopmod - $189 Vltor MUR Upper - $170 Geissele SD3G Trigger - $235 Ta11H Acog in LT100 - $1,000 Spikes NIB BCG - $225 Trust - $90 Stamp - $200 Total - $3,083
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Spikes Tactical 10.5" complete upper- $500 (gunbroker.com)
SAA blank lower- $67 (local gunshop) PSA MOE lower build kit- $140 (palmettostatearmory.com) YHM specter length quad rail- $115 (palmettostatearmory.com) Magpul MBUS- Somewhere around $75ish (botachtactical.com)<not recommended Engraving- $45 Local machinist Total- $875 + $200 tax stamp I think I built a pretty nice and reliable SBR for a very good price. |
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I did mine as an individual.
BCM Lower - $340 BCM Standard 12.5" Carbine Upper Receiver Group - $399 BCM Bolt Carrier Group - $149 BCM AR-15 Carry Handle - $109.95 PRI Gas Buster Charging Handle w/ Combat Latch - $89.95 Magpul MOE (Milspec) Stock - $59.99 Magpul MVG MOE Vertical Grip - $19.99 Magpul MOE Carbine Handguard - $29.99 Trijicon Night Sight Set - $77.32 + $200 for stamp $9.99 for photos $11 for fingerprints $50 Engraving = $1549.21 |
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Lemme see here..
Black Rain Ordnance upper/lower - $389 Bushmaster 11.5" HB assy - $220 ADCO fees for fluting - $80 BattleArms BattleComp Blem - $110 Spikes Chrome BCG, LPK, Billet mag release, EXO gas rings - $230 KNS Pins - $25 Troy 11" TRX Extreme - $150 Vltor Modstock kit - $100 Armalite Bolt release, Ejection Port door kit, Fwd Asst kit - $50 Battle Ars Selector - $60 Ergo Grip - $20 Stamp - $200 $1505 and I still need: Sights - $160 Charging Handle (Gunfighter) - $50 Debating on a trigger...maybe $100 - $150...dunno yet STG refinish - $150 Optics....gonna have to wait to hide it from the wife Yup, no doubt about it. The price of toys for big kids go thru the roof eh? |
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Trust: $600
Tax Stamp: $200 Copies/Forms/Mailing: $5 Surplus Arms & Ammo Lower Receiver: $70 Dealer Transfer: $10 11.5" Rifle Kit from M&A Parts: $545 Magpul MBUS Rear sight: $55 Red Dot Sight: $45 Total Cost: $1530 Weapon Cost: $925 At least it wasn't as bad as my two MP5's... |
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I did mine as an individual
Factory built Double Star AR-15 Basic SBR $1100ish (I dont remember exactly) Dealer fees $100 Tax Stamp $200 & (5 months wait) Magpul MOE stock & pistol grip (used package deal) $60 BCM gunfighter CH $50 Sling I found in a box at my dad"s FREE! 
YHM 5.56mm suppressor $540 Another Tax stamp $200 & another 6 1/2 months wait $2250 isnt too bad |
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I got the trust for other toys as well but it was $400
$100 Double Star lower $550 Double Star pistol kit $200 stamp $850 total by my math $133 for trust if divided among other current things. $850 for gun parts and stamp $983 if you want to include the trust money at it's current division. I already had sights and stocks laying around so I did not add any price for them. |
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Lower:
LMT Defender 2000 - $405 sold the ergo grip + $15 sold the M4 Stock + $20 B5 Sopmod - $100 MIAD - $32 Mapgul ASAP - $29 magpul BAD - $29 Stamp - $200 Finger Prints - $10 Passport Photos - $8 = $778 Still no upper yet, stamp is still pending but it'll be: DD 10.3" Upepr - $409 DD MK18 RIS II - $335 DD BCG - $149 Gunfighter CH mod 4 - 45 AAC blackout 51t - $95 Troy front/rear - $220 Tango Down short QG vertical grip -$90 Larue offset flashlight mount - $125 =$1468 Other things I still need BAD ASS - $80 Geissele SSA - $180 AAC M4-2000 - $1000 Suppressor Stamp and associated BS - $225 =$1485 I've also already got an Aimpoint H-1 in a larue mount - $600 BFG two point sling -$40 Surefire G2 LED with Clicky tailcap - $100 =$740 Grand total will be $4,471 |
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Noveske Mk18 10.5" Upper with BCM charging handle - 975.00
Daniel Defense Complete Lower - 400.00 Noveske H2 Buffer - 36.00 Magpul CTR Stock foliage - 75.00 Magpul MOE Grip foliage - 20.00 Magpul VFG foliage - 20.00 Magpul Rail covers X 2 foliage 20.00 Troy DOA folding BUIS - 200.00 Aimpoint PRO - 410.00 Form 1: 200.00 Total - 2156.00 Total w/o aimpoint: 1746.00 |
| I've SBRd Ruger 10/22's and had less than $400 including tax stamp in them. I've SBSd shotguns and been in less than $350 total. I also have $4000 plus AR SBRs and also have $15k+ MGs. It just depends on what you want and what you can afford. I would seriously consider going with the Apple Law Firm for trusts. The Quicken route may get you approved, but where it stands to have issues is when you are dead and gone and your heirs have your weapons and the trust is invalid which makes the heirs possession illegal. YMMV |
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The Quicken route may get you approved, but where it stands to have issues is when you are dead and gone and your heirs have your weapons and the trust is invalid which makes the heirs possession illegal. YMMV So you know of an instance where this actually happened? Ever? I'm no lawyer, but I don't think it works quite like that. Even if you left your NFA items to a beneficiary without a trust, they have time to sort things out. The BATFE doesn't just show up and take them away forever. Such fear mongering. Az |
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The Quicken route may get you approved, but where it stands to have issues is when you are dead and gone and your heirs have your weapons and the trust is invalid which makes the heirs possession illegal. YMMV So you know of an instance where this actually happened? Ever? I'm no lawyer, but I don't think it works quite like that. Even if you left your NFA items to a beneficiary without a trust, they have time to sort things out. The BATFE doesn't just show up and take them away forever. Such fear mongering. Az Actually yes there are documented cases where the trust was deemed invalid and firearms were forfeited while settling a decedents estate. I'll have to track down the documentation and post it up. But do what you want, it doesn't affect me one bit. |
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Sadly, around $4500 when its done. Don't tell my wife.  I know the felling. Im sitting right about at $4k.  I cant stop buying this shit though.Noveske has raised their prices, not sure if its due to demand or lack of materials/increased production cost. I was able to get the old price since I've been working on my order for about a month. Even still.... Rifle: $2200 SDN: $900 Optic: $600 Tax stamps: $400 ============== $4100 before slings, foregrips, illumination or ammo.
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I've SBRd Ruger 10/22's and had less than $400 including tax stamp in them. I've SBSd shotguns and been in less than $350 total. I also have $4000 plus AR SBRs and also have $15k+ MGs. It just depends on what you want and what you can afford. I would seriously consider going with the Apple Law Firm for trusts. The Quicken route may get you approved, but where it stands to have issues is when you are dead and gone and your heirs have your weapons and the trust is invalid which makes the heirs possession illegal. YMMV I've already decided to go with a knowledgeable attorney for the trust. I'll check out the Apple Law Firm, Thanks. |
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This is the first time I have really sat down and figured up how much I have in mine and I am kind of afraid to see the results but here it goes
Spikes Tactical custom 12.5 factory sbr $989.00 LMT Sopmod $199.00 Noveske QD Receiver End plate $21.99 Tango Down Battle Grip $39.99 Knight Armament Company $25.99 Geisselle SSA-E $229.99 Bravo Company Mod 3 $49.99 Rock River Arms Extended Safety $15.99 Troy Industries Rear BUIS $115.99 Troy Industries Front BUIS $125.99 Meprolight AR-15 Tritium Front Night Sight $42.99 KNS Trigger Pins $29.99 Aimpoint Micro T-1 in Aimpoint QD Mount $625.99 Troy Industries TRXtreme 11 in $169.99 Daniel Defense Low Profile Gas Block $40.99 Troy Industries Modular Combat Grip $70.99 Noveske TRX QD Sling mount $19.99 Larue Tactical 2 Point Sling $95.99 Surefire E2D LED $189.99 Surefire E2D LED Z68 tailcap $35.99 Gear Sector Surefire E-series mount $52.99 Surefire FH556-212A $129.99 Surefire 60 round Magazine $129.99 Trust $300.00 Tax Stamp $200.00 Total for the weapon before the lawyer and stamp $3449.79 + sales tax Total for everything $4122.28 I am going to have more money into it before I am done though, I am going to swap lights out for a Surefire M300A Scout Light and a Gear Sector mount for it, a Surefire 212A, a Trijicon TA33, and at somepoint Im probably going to be putting a Daniel Defense 12.5 pencil barrel in there. |
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Daniels Defense Upper 405
STS Microslick BCG 150 (Thought I would try this out) BCM Mod 4 40 Magpul MVG 20 Magpul MOE hand guard 30 Inforce WML (light) 125 Daniels Defense Rear sight 45 TKS Billet Lower 145 PSA LPK 50 B5 Sopmod 100 Vltor A5 Buffer kit 100 Mega tactical trigger 80 Aimpoint H1 450 M4 2000 900 AAC Brakeout 90 2 Tax Stamps 400 $3130 Still waiting on tax stamps Priceless. |
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1499.99 for a Colt 6933 (now go for 1299.99 at the same dealer) 150 for KAC RAS Seconds 20 for Magpul RVG 75 for used LT EoTech mount 500 or so for a new EoTech 552 45 for KAC QD to put in factory stock (not the new Super-Stock) 65 or so for a fixed Troy BUIS 2354.99 total, plus stamp Wow, didn't know I spent that much. |
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hmmmmm......
Noveske N4 Lower - $185 Lower Parts Kit - $75 Magpul UBR stock - $225 Noveske 10.5" switchblock upper - $1350 AAC M41000 Suppressor - $600 Eotech 551 - $500 Magpul MIAD Grip - $30 Magpul Mags - $40 Tax Stamp for Suppressor - $200 Tax Stamp for SBR - $200 Trust set up by a lawyer - $300 Total - $3705 I still need to add iron sights, sling adapter, sling, and possibly a weapon light. Probably looking at another $500 - $700 before I'm finished. Kind of a more high end SBR build but well worth it |
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Here's mine:
Trust (copy from Maryland_Shooter, adapted for my home state, looked over for free by an estate lawyer who is a friend) = free The rest of the cost is all because if the particular weapon. I started with a complete LMT 10.5" factory SBR and turned it into a Mk18 mod 0 clone. Lower Lower ReceiverLMT Defender 2000 $1,250.00 Sling Mount-RearCQD $29.95 Upper Charging HandlePRI Gasbuster $65.00 HandguardKAC M4 RIS $105.00 Flash Hider/BrakeKAC NT4 QDSS $91.39 SuppressorKAC NT4 QDSS (shipping incl.) $1,530.00 Sling Mount-FrontCQD $34.95 Mounts Scope MountsWilcox $100.00 Verticle Fore GripKAC (came with handguard) $0.00 Optics ScopeAimpoint Comp M2 $460.00 Other BATFE Tax StampSBR––LMT Defender 2000$200.00 Suppressor––KAC QDSS NT4 $200.00 Total $4,066.29 |
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Also take a look at Christopher Bass. He's out of Houston I believe, but he did everything for mine via email. He usually charges 600 but he charges 300 to ARFcom members. Tell himm you're a member here and he'll take care of you. As far as my SBR, about 4.5-5k including my trust, SBR, suppressor, tax stamps, sales tax, transfer fees, optics and accessories.
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Some people's prices are out of whack. I have a hard time believing people pay MSRP and more for a majority of these parts. Shipping costs. You always should add in shipping cost. I guess. I think some people googled the highest price they could find. But whatever, not really a big deal. Regardless, this shit gets expensive quick. |
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I bet I have one of the cheapest SBRs out there. Tax stamp - $200 Draco "C" - $329 Underfolder stock - $9. Did the work myself. Engraving (local trophy shop) - $10 $550 total investment. Elalb2000, dude, that really hurts and is very mean spirited! All I can ask is, 'Can your SBR shoot 7.62x39, and 300 blackout, and 5.56, and .22 LR, and 9mm, and .458, ...?' |
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I bet I have one of the cheapest SBRs out there. Tax stamp - $200 Draco "C" - $329 Underfolder stock - $9. Did the work myself. Engraving (local trophy shop) - $10 $550 total investment. Elalb2000, dude, that really hurts and is very mean spirited! All I can ask is, 'Can your SBR shoot 7.62x39, and 300 blackout, and 5.56, and .22 LR, and 9mm, and .458, ...?'  That is the biggest downfall of this platform.
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About $4250 including tax stamp(s) and suppressor. 
Forgot, buffer ($20) reciever extension ($45) and BAD ASS Ambi levers ($75) so $4390.  I need a new hobby!
1. $450 Trust from Sean Cody 2. $200 stamp 3. $200 RRA lower for which i massively over paid 4. $175 Geissele SSA 5. $45 LPK from EE 6. $45 BCM Mod4 CH. (I'm a lefty) 7. $240 Larue UDE kit 8. $450 AeroPrecision C.O.P. Upper 9. $450 Noveske 12.5" w/ Switchblock 10. $150 AAC 51T Muzzle Brake 11. $125 BCM BCG FA 12. $40 VTAC Sling 13. $250-ish Surefire Scout complete kit (used) 14. $400 1-4 Vortex PST mil/mil (used) 15. $180-ish Troy HK sights (used) 16. $650 AAC762SD 18. $200 tax stamp |
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Spikes Lower 79.99
FFL Transfer 25.00 PSA MOE Lower Build Kit 125.00 MOE Enhanced Buttstock Pad 12.95 Spikes 10.5" Upper with 10" Bar rail 700 MBUIS 90 PA Micro Red Dot with QD Base 130 RVG 18.95 PRI Latch 18.95 Tax Stamp 200.00 1400.84 You could add one mag too for 15.00 to get a shooting weapon. Although I've got about 50 mags for the thing. |
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