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Posted: 3/11/2025 2:25:35 PM EDT
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I have an itch that needs scratching for a 45 Colt lever gun. I know for sure that I want a 20" barrel and 10 round magazine capacity. I had simply been planning on picking up a Rossi 20" 92 clone and calling it a day. However upon further pondering, I got to thinking maybe I would be better off to save up and spend a little more on a Miroku made Winchester 1892 instead. It would seem that the Miroku is roughly about twice the money of a Rossi clone but perhaps twice as good? Continuing my pondering of this idea, I thought, well maybe the Henry Big Boy with side gate would be a better option? The price of the Henry seems to fall in about the middle of the other two. Now I haven't had any oppurtunity to handle any of these exact three and I don't make it into a town with a gunstore all that often, but I do own an original 1892 Winchester made in 1907 and I also own a pre side gate Henry Big Boy in .357. So I have experience with similar firearms to the aforementioned three candidates. I am not looking for a safe queen. My intended usage for this rifle would be a hard working rifle that will be carried on the ranch with me everyday and be scratched and beat up. It will see time on a horse, it will be bouncing around in the cab of a pickup truck or in a tractor. It will be carried rain or shine in the elements and in the dirt. This role is currently being fulfilled from my older 16" Henry .357 and while it works well enough, I miss the sidegate and I would rather it be in 45 Colt with a 20" barrel. Given all these parameters, what do you all recommend from the three options I listed? Or do you feel I am forgetting something that may fit that role even better? |
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I have a Rossi .357 that I replaced the springs on and love it. It smooth now and a nice looking rifle. I smile everytime I cycle it. I like Winchester but the model 70s I have sit in the safe. They're too nice to lug around. I would probably do the same with a 92. I don't have a Henry but from the looks it looks like a Marlin 336 clone. I also know most of the Big Boys are heavy. Out of all of them I would get a Rossi to carry around. Put some springs in it and you'll love it. Plenty of videos on YouTube to show you. |
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My only knock against the Henry's is that they are significantly heavier compared to a Win 92 type platform. I've had 2 Rossi M92s, a carbine and a rifle, since I got both of them new in 2009. I like the 92 clones much better than the Marlin style the Henry's use as the action is much smoother and the platform is much thinner and lighter. My Rossi 20" Carbine weighs 5lbs 14oz with a saddle ring and leather lever wrap I added and my 24" Rifle weighs 7lbs 10 oz with a tang rear sight and globe front sight I added. Per Henry's webpage: A Henry Big Boy X Model .357/.38 Spl with a 17.3" barrel weighs 7lbs 3 oz A Henry Big Boy All-Weather .357 Mag/.38 Spl with a 20" barrel weighs 7lbs 0 oz A Henry Big Boy Color Case Hardened Rifle .357 Mag/.38 Spl with a 20" barrel weighs 7lbs 13.4 oz A Henry Big Boy Brass Rifle .357 Mag/.38 Spl with a 20" barrel weighs 8lbs 10.9 oz |
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I personally wouldn’t buy any of them. The Rossi’s are junk and even if you can put hands on the one you’re buying and it passes a visual inspection you still have a higher chance than any other maker of lever gun of it having issues. Taurus/Rossi CS is also about the only thing in the gun industry worse than Beretta. Que the Rossi fanboys to come out of the woodwork. I love Winchester guns but you can’t mount an optic on them (not in a way I like anyhow) so they’re out for me. The Henry’s are the best on the list overall but IMO the quality just isn’t there compared to some of the others available. If it has to be a 45 colt I’d get an 1854. Personally though I’d buy a Marlin in 44 mag and get the best lever gun on the market and enjoy a much better selection of factory ammo and higher performance factory ammo. You have to load for a 45 colt to really take advantage of it and even then it only matches the performance of 44 mag and that’s debatable. |
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Originally Posted By hiih8r: I personally wouldn’t buy any of them. The Rossi’s are junk and even if you can put hands on the one you’re buying and it passes a visual inspection you still have a higher chance than any other maker of lever gun of it having issues. Taurus/Rossi CS is also about the only thing in the gun industry worse than Beretta. Que the Rossi fanboys to come out of the woodwork. I love Winchester guns but you can’t mount an optic on them (not in a way I like anyhow) so they’re out for me. The Henry’s are the best on the list overall but IMO the quality just isn’t there compared to some of the others available. If it has to be a 45 colt I’d get an 1854. Personally though I’d buy a Marlin in 44 mag and get the best lever gun on the market and enjoy a much better selection of factory ammo and higher performance factory ammo. You have to load for a 45 colt to really take advantage of it and even then it only matches the performance of 44 mag and that’s debatable. I am not saying that have not made valid points about the 44 magnum, but I am not interested in the 44. Reason being, I do not own any 44s but I do own 45 Colt revolvers. And I reload for the 45 Colt already. It makes far more sense to me to purchase a rifle that will be a companion to my handguns and that I already reload for. I still need to check and see if Ruger is building 45 Colt Marlins yet. |
| I would get an 1854 then, they are solid rifles with good features. Ruger isn’t building 45 colts yet. Only 357, 44, 30-30, and 45-70 are being ran currently. Ruger just seems to drop stuff when they feel like it so no telling if or when. I wouldn’t count on it happening any time soon though when they can’t even keep up with demand on their current offerings. I’d suspect that 45 colt would be high on the list of chamberings they’d expand to when the time does come. |
| Speaking of Rossi's, I was talking to a friend of mine about this and so he dropped by the house last night with some lever actions to show me. He brought by a Miroku made Winchester 1892 and a Rossi 92. Both of them were quite nice. I believe the Rossi may have had some action work done to it. What grabbed my attention though was that the Rossi didn't have that stupid looking safety added to it. I did not know that Rossi ever built them without the safety. Also I believe it said imported by Interarms. He is going to stop back by this weekend if the weather is dry and let me shoot them. I also think he is willing to sell them to me if I am interested in them. The Miroku looked about like a museum exhibit. The bluing was amazing. |
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The Interarms Rossi 92s pre-date the bolt safety. They are from the 80’s and 90’s. I don’t think Rossi makes a no-safety version anymore. I have two (a carbine and a rifle) from the 90’s and they have been professionally slicked and given action jobs. Great rifles but the base guns were oversprung and very rough. |
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Rossi is notorious for oversized chambers that will wreck your brass. (doesn’t matter which caliber, the just about funnel the chamber to make it feed) You mentioned reloading so I figured I’d warn you. I want a Winchester 92 but settled on a Marlin (new Ruger made) in .357 magnum. It’s been great and is well made. |
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If you want a 45 right now then the Winchester is the best option. Unless your goal is maximum accuracy for hunting, the scope issue is moot. As for quality there is no comparison to the other options. The Jap made guns are head and shoulders above the Henry and Rossi is a very expensive crap shoot for sub par quality. When the Rossi guns were priced accordingly in the 500$ range it made sense to get one and put some slick up work into it. Now pushing 800 plus you’re not far from the price of a used Winnie. The only downside to choosing the Winchester is finding one. If you do find one you have to jump on it since it may take a long while for a new batch to be released. The Henry is serviceable but still not the refinement for that price. I have/had all 3. |
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Originally Posted By SteelonSteel: Rossi is notorious for oversized chambers that will wreck your brass. (doesn’t matter which caliber, the just about funnel the chamber to make it feed) You mentioned reloading so I figured I’d warn you. I want a Winchester 92 but settled on a Marlin (new Ruger made) in .357 magnum. It’s been great and is well made. I have several thousands of reloaded rounds through my 45 Colt Rossi. Have never had any issue with reloading for it due to damaged or stretched brass. Multiple of my cases have been reloaded at least 6-7 times. |
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Well folks, I ended up purchasing an old used Rossi from a rancher friend of mine for a song and a dance. I took it out back of the barn and shot it a bunch of times at a stump and it functioned fine and hit where I was aiming. I reckon it will scratch the itch for the time being. I may still end up with a Miroku or Big Boy further down the line. Or maybe a Marlin or Smith if they start making them, but for now this will do just fine. Attached File Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Jetpig: I have several thousands of reloaded rounds through my 45 Colt Rossi. Have never had any issue with reloading for it due to damaged or stretched brass. Multiple of my cases have been reloaded at least 6-7 times. Originally Posted By Jetpig: Originally Posted By SteelonSteel: Rossi is notorious for oversized chambers that will wreck your brass. (doesn't matter which caliber, the just about funnel the chamber to make it feed) You mentioned reloading so I figured I'd warn you. I want a Winchester 92 but settled on a Marlin (new Ruger made) in .357 magnum. It's been great and is well made. I have 2 Rossi .357 mags, a 20" carbine and a 24" rifle I bought new in 2009. They have never seen a commercial round as I reload for everything I shoot except for .22 lr. Both of them have many thousands of rounds through them and both have chambers that are sized so that the fired loads, while full power H110 or Lil'Gun loads, drop into a case gauge before resizing within 1/16" of a properly resize case. I've got a batch of Winchester brass that has 9 firings on it and I've only has a single piece that I scrapped as it split at the neck slightly. My neighbor liked my Rossis so much that he bought one as well and he uses my 750 to load ammo for his as well. His brass fired brass fits in the case gauge the same as mine do. |
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Congrats on the new gun. I've got a Rossi and Henry and never had an issue with either. For me, I like the loading option on the Henry. Time will tell at how good that set up is as far as durability. While I don't own one, S&W makes a nice gun for the money and they back it up. They have a threaded barrel and a nice rail for an optic/scope. I had an issue years ago on a S&W pistol I had and they made it right with a quick turnaround. I don't see a standard/plain wood version but the texture is not bad looking and can help with having a good purchase on the gun. Also, the larger loop is nice on the S&W compared to the standard on my Rossi, especially. I need to smooth it out a little as the Rossi guns are great performers but a little unrefined having sharper edges all around. |
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Originally Posted By COSteve: My experience is the same as Jetpig's rather than SteelonSteel's. I have 2 Rossi .357 mags, a 20" carbine and a 24" rifle I bought new in 2009. They have never seen a commercial round as I reload for everything I shoot except for .22 lr. Both of them have many thousands of rounds through them and both have chambers that are sized so that the fired loads, while full power H110 or Lil'Gun loads, drop into a case gauge before resizing within 1/16" of a properly resize case. I've got a batch of Winchester brass that has 9 firings on it and I've only has a single piece that I scrapped as it split at the neck slightly. My neighbor liked my Rossis so much that he bought one as well and he uses my 750 to load ammo for his as well. His brass fired brass fits in the case gauge the same as mine do. My experience with Rossi has not been as fortunate. The Carbine I bought in 2023 is the 16" Saddle ring version in .357 Mag. and I just love it but It does bulge the cases near the head of the case on my hotter (Not max) reloads in .357 but not in .38 Special or .38+P loads. There is no fix for this unless you modify the shell holder to force the brass deeper into the sizing die. That doesn't fix the problem, it only puts a bandaide on it and this still weakens the brass. I see the OP bought one and I hope he doesn't have the same issue as he does reload. |
I bought a 20" '92 Rossi in .357 years ago when the wife and I dabbled in CAS. I went through it and slicked it up and it feeds any and everything including the long-nose Keith SWC from a Lyman 358429 mold. I also fitted and replaced the hardwood stock with a walnut example- I positively love this little carbine and find myself grabbing it any time I'd headed out to the pasture or out hunting, to the point that the bluing is wearing from the receiver from being caried and having its magazine loaded. Being a huge fan of and hunting with .44 Special revolvers, I decided a few years ago I wanted lever for this caliber so I chose a '92 Rossi in .44 Magnum. It's not especially pretty but runs very well and with a couple of minor modifications to the carrier and the cartridge stop it now feed .44 Magnums loaded with Keith bullets from a Lyman 429421 mold. I D&T'ed it for a receiver sight and replaced the front sight with a Patridge example-   To address your question, if I wanted a .45 Colt lever I would save my pennies and unhesitantly buy a '92 Uberti/Cimarron. I think few people realize that the Italians know how to build rifles properly, especially for those of us that shoot cast bullets. I recently handled a Cimarron 1892 Saddle Ring Carbine in .45 Colt at Texas Jack Wild Outfitters in Fredericksburg, TX. My God, I wanted that rifle so bad, but I just don't shoot enough .45 Colt to justify it. One of these days I intend to replace my Rossi .44 Magnum with a Cimarron. |
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Originally Posted By Trollslayer: I don't care for the Henry (looks off, heavy). I don't trust the Rossi (reliability, function). No doubt, I'd get the Winchester by Miroku. They're nicely made and functional. I have a Rossi 357 thats stone reliable. Shot everything through that. Mixed 38's and 357 no feeding issues. |
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Originally Posted By Trollslayer: Not all Rossi rifles are like that. Either you got lucky or many others got unlucky, you can decide how to phrase it. I own two '92 Rossi's, a .357 and a .44, that are 100% reliable and have competed with CAS shooters who use them with great success. What's your experience, and I mean firsthand experience. |
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Originally Posted By ggibbs: I own two '92 Rossi's, a .357 and a .44, that are 100% reliable and have competed with CAS shooters who use them with great success. What's your experience, and I mean firsthand experience. My first hand experience with the Rossi I own is that after I smoothed out the loading gate, cut down the magazine spring, smoothed out the internals, yes it is reliable. However, reliability is NOT it's problem. The problem is bulge it leaves near the head of the case on my .357 hand loads and they are not Max loads. If you don't reload your own ammo, this isn't really a problem but if you do, then yeah it's a problem and there is no way to fix it unless you send it back to Rossi and hope for a better chamber. |
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Originally Posted By CRNUMBER: My first hand experience with the Rossi I own is that after I smoothed out the loading gate, cut down the magazine spring, smoothed out the internals, yes it is reliable. However, reliability is NOT it's problem. The problem is bulge it leaves near the head of the case on my .357 hand loads and they are not Max loads. If you don't reload your own ammo, this isn't really a problem but if you do, then yeah it's a problem and there is no way to fix it unless you send it back to Rossi and hope for a better chamber. Originally Posted By CRNUMBER: Originally Posted By ggibbs: I own two '92 Rossi's, a .357 and a .44, that are 100% reliable and have competed with CAS shooters who use them with great success. What's your experience, and I mean firsthand experience. My first hand experience with the Rossi I own is that after I smoothed out the loading gate, cut down the magazine spring, smoothed out the internals, yes it is reliable. However, reliability is NOT it's problem. The problem is bulge it leaves near the head of the case on my .357 hand loads and they are not Max loads. If you don't reload your own ammo, this isn't really a problem but if you do, then yeah it's a problem and there is no way to fix it unless you send it back to Rossi and hope for a better chamber. I just got done doing the same thing to a Rossi R92 in .454. Casull. Purchased brand new last week. Would cycle A zoom snap caps in .45 Colt just fine. Wouldn't cycle any .45 Colt lead bullet cowboy loads or .45 Colt TMJ ammo. I took the whole thing down to the barreled frame, smoothed and polished every moving part, dremeled a relief cut in the loading gate to reduce the spring tension and replaced the ejector spring with the lighter one I purchased at my local True Value Hardware store. Now it cycles any brand .45 Colt I run through it. Thing is, you should have to do this to a brand new firearm to get it to function. Gary |
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Originally Posted By CRNUMBER: My first hand experience with the Rossi I own is that after I smoothed out the loading gate, cut down the magazine spring, smoothed out the internals, yes it is reliable. However, reliability is NOT it's problem. The problem is bulge it leaves near the head of the case on my .357 hand loads and they are not Max loads. If you don't reload your own ammo, this isn't really a problem but if you do, then yeah it's a problem and there is no way to fix it unless you send it back to Rossi and hope for a better chamber. Originally Posted By CRNUMBER: Originally Posted By ggibbs: I own two '92 Rossi's, a .357 and a .44, that are 100% reliable and have competed with CAS shooters who use them with great success. What's your experience, and I mean firsthand experience. My first hand experience with the Rossi I own is that after I smoothed out the loading gate, cut down the magazine spring, smoothed out the internals, yes it is reliable. However, reliability is NOT it's problem. The problem is bulge it leaves near the head of the case on my .357 hand loads and they are not Max loads. If you don't reload your own ammo, this isn't really a problem but if you do, then yeah it's a problem and there is no way to fix it unless you send it back to Rossi and hope for a better chamber. I first came to this forum to learn before buying. So, in fact, I came here for the same reason as the OP. I've read a lot stories about the Rossi rifles just like the one above and several even worse; ones where the rifle has to be returned. Ditto for the Henrys - they're nice but heavy and there are too many reports of various failures for my liking. The thing is, I never read stories like that about the Miroku Winchesters. What I read are glowing reports of excellent wood-to-metal fit, excellent bluing, good accuracy,... You know, all the things you'd want to hear about a product you are thinking of buying. I hear similarly good stories about the Ubertis, but OP did not mention those. I really like the Ubertis but I do not want an 1873. So, for me, it is a Miroku Winchester 1892. I also recommended them to the OP, given that he is looking for recommendations. Enjoy your rifle. I'm glad for you that you got it working well. |
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Here is a 300 grain XTP pushed to 1600fps from a 24" Winchester. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By golfish: I wouldn't buy any of them on your list over the new Marlins. The Winchester is the nicest on your list but it's hard for some to get past the lawyer safeties... I don't think Marlin makes a 45LC yet? Steve's safety delete takes like 30 seconds to install. I bought a Rossi 92 in .45/.454 In 2007. I did the safety delete, replacement follower, added a saddle ring and a few coats of Danish Wood Oil. It runs like a champ and has taken a white tail deer ever year. |
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Originally Posted By Trollslayer: Not all Rossi rifles are like that. Either you got lucky or many others got unlucky, you can decide how to phrase it. Originally Posted By Trollslayer: Originally Posted By Tango: I have a Rossi 357 thats stone reliable. Shot everything through that. Mixed 38's and 357 no feeding issues. Not all Rossi rifles are like that. Either you got lucky or many others got unlucky, you can decide how to phrase it. Mine has been bullet proof and shoots good. I'm sure rossi does send out some lemons, they all do, even jm marlins, lol. Bagged on rossis are just a past time here by the same dudes that "know a guy" that had all kinds of issues. |
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Originally Posted By DH243: Mine has been bullet proof and shoots good. I'm sure rossi does send out some lemons, they all do, even jm marlins, lol. Bagged on rossis are just a past time here by the same dudes that "know a guy" that had all kinds of issues. I went to a gun store yesterday that stocks a bunch of lever guns because I’m looking to add a 45LC and 30-30 to the collection. I picked up a total of 5 new Rossi’s off the rack to check them out before I quit, 4 92 clones and one 94/336 hybrid looking thing. Two of those 92’s I picked up you had to hold the lever against the stock for it to be in battery, if you weren’t holding it it would pop down just enough to take the gun out of battery. The other two 92’s I picked up were just rough but would remain in battery. The 30-30 I picked up was the same way where it had to be held in battery but was even worse than the 92’s because when you let go the lever would drop 1.5” or better from the stock. Sorry to hurt your feelings but those things are pieces of shit. In their defense though a new miroku 94 also had the same issue where it had to be held in battery. The miroku 1892’s I picked up were all solid though and super slick right out of the box and I handled more than a half dozen samples of those including a 1892 trapper takedown in 44 mag… that thing was beautiful and I may go back and buy it. Every Marlin and Henry I picked up were fine. |
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Originally Posted By hiih8r: I went to a gun store yesterday that stocks a bunch of lever guns because I’m looking to add a 45LC and 30-30 to the collection. I picked up a total of 5 new Rossi’s off the rack to check them out before I quit, 4 92 clones and one 94/336 hybrid looking thing. Two of those 92’s I picked up you had to hold the lever against the stock for it to be in battery, if you weren’t holding it it would pop down just enough to take the gun out of battery. The other two 92’s I picked up were just rough but would remain in battery. The 30-30 I picked up was the same way where it had to be held in battery but was even worse than the 92’s because when you let go the lever would drop 1.5” or better from the stock. Sorry to hurt your feelings but those things are pieces of shit. In their defense though a new miroku 94 also had the same issue where it had to be held in battery. The miroku 1892’s I picked up were all solid though and super slick right out of the box and I handled more than a half dozen samples of those including a 1892 trapper takedown in 44 mag… that thing was beautiful and I may go back and buy it. Every Marlin and Henry I picked up were fine. LOL you mean the safety bar/trigger stop? The mechanism that prevents firing unless the action is held closed. No, it shouldn't cause the lever to drop over an inch. But the springs are easy to tweak. My Winchesters always had stiffer springs than my Marlins. |
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Originally Posted By hiih8r: I went to a gun store yesterday that stocks a bunch of lever guns because I’m looking to add a 45LC and 30-30 to the collection. I picked up a total of 5 new Rossi’s off the rack to check them out before I quit, 4 92 clones and one 94/336 hybrid looking thing. Two of those 92’s I picked up you had to hold the lever against the stock for it to be in battery, if you weren’t holding it it would pop down just enough to take the gun out of battery. The other two 92’s I picked up were just rough but would remain in battery. The 30-30 I picked up was the same way where it had to be held in battery but was even worse than the 92’s because when you let go the lever would drop 1.5” or better from the stock. Sorry to hurt your feelings but those things are pieces of shit. In their defense though a new miroku 94 also had the same issue where it had to be held in battery. The miroku 1892’s I picked up were all solid though and super slick right out of the box and I handled more than a half dozen samples of those including a 1892 trapper takedown in 44 mag… that thing was beautiful and I may go back and buy it. Every Marlin and Henry I picked up were fine. Sounds like you went in there with the intent of finding issues with Rossi's. I own two, one close to 15 years old (.357) and another just a couple of years old (.44 Magnum). I've done a little work to both of them and the run and feed flawlessly. The .44 feeds ammunition that I'm certain would stop a Marlin cold. Another thing to consider is the Rossi's cost about $150 less than a Henry and about $300 less than a Marlin. As such, I would hope the more expensive rifles would be at least somewhat better than the Rossi's. |
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Originally Posted By ggibbs: Sounds like you went in there with the intent of finding issues with Rossi's. I own two, one close to 15 years old (.357) and another just a couple of years old (.44 Magnum). I've done a little work to both of them and the run and feed flawlessly. The .44 feeds ammunition that I'm certain would stop a Marlin cold. Another thing to consider is the Rossi's cost about $150 less than a Henry and about $300 less than a Marlin. As such, I would hope the more expensive rifles would be at least somewhat better than the Rossi's. Of course that’s a biased individual’s take away from that. I went there looking for a 45 colt and 30-30 as opened that reply with that you quoted. Seeing as the 45 colt is just a range toy and not for any serious use I’d have no issue with a Rossi if I could find one that’s not a POS. When more than half the new samples you pick up off the shelf are fucked up it doesn’t exactly inspire confidence. Knowing how terrible Taurus/Rossi CS is only makes it less appealing. I know it’s not a me thing either because there are plenty of people online who own them who say to inspect them well before purchasing because they are known for this. They were the same price as the Henry’s on that dealers shelves that every one I picked up actually seemed like a quality firearm. The S&W’s and Marlins were $300-$400 more. I’m not a poor and have no problem paying for quality. When the Rossi and Henry are the same price it’s a no brainer. The 30-30 version was priced at $1200 which was only $100 less than their Marlin 336’s and $100 more than I can order one online shipped to my dealer for. |
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Originally Posted By hiih8r: Of course that’s a biased individual’s take away from that. I went there looking for a 45 colt and 30-30 as opened that reply with that you quoted. Seeing as the 45 colt is just a range toy and not for any serious use I’d have no issue with a Rossi if I could find one that’s not a POS. When more than half the new samples you pick up off the shelf are fucked up it doesn’t exactly inspire confidence. Knowing how terrible Taurus/Rossi CS is only makes it less appealing. I know it’s not a me thing either because there are plenty of people online who own them who say to inspect them well before purchasing because they are known for this. They were the same price as the Henry’s on that dealers shelves that every one I picked up actually seemed like a quality firearm. The S&W’s and Marlins were $300-$400 more. I’m not a poor and have no problem paying for quality. When the Rossi and Henry are the same price it’s a no brainer. The 30-30 version was priced at $1200 which was only $100 less than their Marlin 336’s and $100 more than I can order one online shipped to my dealer for. Of course I'm biased, I own two Rossi's and they both run perfectly. Both if them, with a modicum of work, even feed handloads loaded with Keith SWC's . I've even run the shit out of the .357 competing in CAS. A month before you even handled a Rossi (Post #8) you declared they were junk, so you walked into a gun shop with the intent of proving that. If you were already convinced the Rossi's were junk, why didn't you just bypass them and go right to the Henry’s and Marlins? |
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Originally Posted By ggibbs: Of course I'm biased, I own two Rossi's and they both run perfectly. Both if them, with a modicum of work, even feed handloads loaded with Keith SWC's . I've even run the shit out of the .357 competing in CAS. A month before you even handled a Rossi (Post #8) you declared they were junk, so you walked into a gun shop with the intent of proving that. If you were already convinced the Rossi's were junk, why didn't you just bypass them and go right to the Henry’s and Marlins? What’s your point? Their quality issues didn’t start in the last month. They’re well known. Again, I walked into a gun store looking for a 45 colt. I had seen an older well used Rossi 92 in a pawn shop a couple weeks ago in 45 colt that checked out and they wanted $400 for that I regretted not buying and was gone the other day when I went back for it. Hence why I went to other shops looking and even picked up any Rossi’ to look them over in the first place. You can keep parroting the same garbage, I don’t care and it doesn’t change the facts. I’ve gotta ask though, what lever guns other than Rossi do you own. |
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Originally Posted By hiih8r: What’s your point? Their quality issues didn’t start in the last month. They’re well known. Again, I walked into a gun store looking for a 45 colt. I had seen an older well used Rossi 92 in a pawn shop a couple weeks ago in 45 colt that checked out and they wanted $400 for that I regretted not buying and was gone the other day when I went back for it. Hence why I went to other shops looking and even picked up any Rossi’ to look them over in the first place. You can keep parroting the same garbage, I don’t care and it doesn’t change the facts. I’ve gotta ask though, what lever guns other than Rossi do you own. My point is, if you don't want one, don't buy it! But as someone who doesn't own and has never owned a Rossi, there's no need for you to campaign about how bad they. What levers do I own? 1873 Winchester in 38WCF 1894 Winchester in 25-35 1894 Winchester in 30WCF 1866 Uberti Sporting Rifle in 44-40 1873 Uberti in .44 Magnum 375 Marlin in .375 Winchester and the two Rossi's. Recently sold a '70's production 1895 Marlin |
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You might want to get your crystal ball looked at because I have owned Rossi’s and I have many friends who own or owned them as well. It’s great you’re happy with yours but when you can walk into a shop and half the ones you pick up are fucked up in one way or another there’s clearly issues and that they are not a high quality firearm. |
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Originally Posted By hiih8r: You might want to get your crystal ball looked at because I have owned Rossi’s and I have many friends who own or owned them as well. It’s great you’re happy with yours but when you can walk into a shop and half the ones you pick up are fucked up in one way or another there’s clearly issues and that they are not a high quality firearm. Really? You've owned Rossi's? Then why didn't you, oh...2 or 3 dozen posts ago, support your sophomoric "fucked up" claims with actual facts? |
"People tend to have a proclivity towards an object rather than their own skill."
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Originally Posted By Ramcharger_pilot: The only problem I have with the Winchester is the tang screw thread is 12-48 or so. My thread gauge only goes to 40. I can make a longer tang screw for a tang sight but would rather buy one. Are you sure the tang screw isn't metric? The rifles are after all made in Japan. |
"People tend to have a proclivity towards an object rather than their own skill."
My lever experience is quite limited, but I have shot two of them, an older Marlin 95, which was nifty, and my new Heritage 92, both in .357 Mag.
The Marlin was old enough that it has no cross bolt safety, and had a LOT of rounds through it, but with my CAS 38 Special reloads it still exhibited the "Marlin jam" once in a while. Other than that, it was a lot of dun to shoot, and my son enjoyed it as well. It was a loaner, so no work was done on a rifle I don't own. The owner needed his Marlin back, so I took a leap of faith and bought the Heritage 92, which, of course, is a rebadged Rossi. I did that with clear eyes, having seen all the posts here and elsewhere about Rossi quality. I beat the odds. 
Son fell in love with it. 
It fed and functioned with every type of 38 Special and 357 Mag ammo I tried, including my SASS reloads. I was really impressed with how light and handy it is, and even so recoil with full house magnums is extremely tame. My son is recoil adverse, (who puts a muzzle brake on a 5.56mm? He does, for recoil reduction), and he said no matter what went through it, he loved it. I had to remind him that's it's MINE until I take the dirt nap, THEN he can have it! The ONLY problems were breaking in the STIFF loading gate, (works much easier now after a few hundred through it), and me short stroking the lever causing the hammer to follow the bolt. Whoops. All my fault. Since CAS is a close range sport, I really don't know how it groups at longer than about 50 yards, but if I ever use it for pig hunting, (I'll make sure to find out first. For SASS it shines line a new penny. Only modifications are leather butt wrap, leather lever wrap and a new Marbles flat rear sight - I HATE buckhorn sights. As for reloading, it dings up the brass around the case mouth a little during ejection, but every scrap of brass from it I have been able to reload more than once so far, especially since I am pretty light on 357 mag brass! 
But, in my example of exactly one, I am quite happy. |
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I have put close to 200 rounds through the used Rossi I chose from this thread. So far it has ran excellent. About the only thing I can remember happening was occassionaly with certain ammo, I may have to work the lever a little harder than normal to get it to chamber, not actually jamming, just binding a little more from wide nose hard cast profiles or the likes. But even with that, it wasn't too serious and not very often. It has worked well enough, that I have played around with the notion of buying another Rossi in 357 magnum |
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Originally Posted By Dieselman: I have put close to 200 rounds through the used Rossi I chose from this thread. So far it has ran excellent. About the only thing I can remember happening was occassionaly with certain ammo, I may have to work the lever a little harder than normal to get it to chamber, not actually jamming, just binding a little more from wide nose hard cast profiles or the likes. But even with that, it wasn't too serious and not very often. It has worked well enough, that I have played around with the notion of buying another Rossi in 357 magnum If you have a Dremel tool and some rubber polishing bits, you can disassemble the rifle and radius the top of the magazine tube where the cartridge carrier lifts the cartridges up. That alone made a huge difference in my .44. Also polish the underside of the cartridge stop. Basically, run it with the cartridges in question, watch where they're hanging up, and polish there. |
"People tend to have a proclivity towards an object rather than their own skill."
Henry Big Boy vs Rossi 92 vs Miroku 1892? (Page 1 of 2)
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