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Posted: 2/17/2011 4:45:56 AM EDT
| I was looking at the Tactical innovation Quest 22 can they don't list the db's of suppression,does anyone know what the db is or if it is a good can? My first choice is the Sparrow SS but nobody in the Cleveland area sell them. Any info is greatly apppreciated,thanks |
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I have a Stratus, it's the same can but all aluminum. It works well and is very quiet (and light weight). You probably wouldn't regret buying the Quest. That said, my next can will be the new SS Sparrow. "probably wouldn't regret buying " Just an observation so please don't take offense. That quote is a little scary to the guy trying to plan his first purchase. I'd rather hear someone say, "I've shot them all and product XX is a great performer and a best of breed product." I'd rather hear confidence from a product owner instead of something more like, "it is okay for the money" or "you'll probably like it". Know what I mean? There is more than mere sound reduction that prospective buyers should consider when deciding on a product. In the case of take apart .22 suppressors, ease of dis-assembly and re-assembly, quality of construction, product documentation and quality of the company behind the product top my list. I mention the packaging/documentation because I vividly remember the first time I opened a Tac Innovations box for one of their Quest products. I remember how unimpressed I was with the machining and how there was no documentation accompanying the product explaining how to put the thing back together. I mean sure I had a pretty good idea, but I still had to search their website for information on exactly where in the stack the spacer went. When I let the customer take it apart he was completely clueless how it might go back together since it was his first suppressor. Perhaps their documentation is improved at this point. I also recall the product did not come with the much needed dis-assembly tools. My personal 22Sparrow (original aluminum version) is serial number 0002. Even with that first batch of product the packaging and documentation were excellent. There were no questions left to the imagination after opening that box. It was very well executed. To me there is no comparison in products. I see the SilencerCo offering as vastly superior. But, as they say, YMMV. I am sure there are folks who will disagree with my opinion. I wonder how many other products they've tried though. Mark |
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Not sure what the price of the quest is but the New SS Sparrow is around 400. When you add on the $200 tax stamp to EITHER can it is a decent chunk of change.
Now the most important part. MOST LIKELY due to tax stamps and transfer costs you will NEVER sell a silencer and if you do it will be for next to nothing. So you should buy the absolute best and longest lasting can you can. Even if that means you have to save for a couple more months.. YMMV |
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I have a Stratus, it's the same can but all aluminum. It works well and is very quiet (and light weight). You probably wouldn't regret buying the Quest. That said, my next can will be the new SS Sparrow. "probably wouldn't regret buying " Just an observation so please don't take offense. That quote is a little scary to the guy trying to plan his first purchase. I'd rather hear someone say, "I've shot them all and product XX is a great performer and a best of breed product." I'd rather hear confidence from a product owner instead of something more like, "it is okay for the money" or "you'll probably like it". Know what I mean? SNIP To me there is no comparison in products. I see the SilencerCo offering as vastly superior. But, as they say, YMMV. I am sure there are folks who will disagree with my opinion. I wonder how many other products they've tried though. Mark Another point is that Wyldman is going to buy another 22 can but not the first one he bought. Why is that? If you have a need for a 2nd 22 can (not hard to justify) and you really liked the product you already have, why not get another one? Is the 22Sparrow that much better that you're going to buy it instead of what you're already familiar with? As Mark always says, "Buy once, cry once. But don't over buy." And I guarantee you won't regret buying a 22 Sparrow. |
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The Quest was tested on a rifle here:
http://nfatalk.org/forum/showthread.php?t=716 |
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I'm buying a second can for my wife to use, so we can both shoot suppressed at the same time.
I bought the Stratus before I learned about the SilencerCo products. Since then, I have not regretted the Stratus, but want something that is a bit easier to service and is made of better materials. I do like the Stratus and will continue to use it. Unfortunately the statement "I'd rather hear someone say, "I've shot them all and product XX is a great performer and a best of breed product." is a bit hard to do unless you're J. Paul Getty and have unlimited funds to achieve this lofty status. I'm not aware of anyone on this or any other forum I frequent that can make such a statement. I gave you the benefit of my experience with what I bought that is of nearly the exact same design as you queried about. I'm sorry, but I can't speak in abosolutes because I'm not you and don't know your experiences, but can only share my own. I doubt that if you buy a Quest, you will be unhappy. I also think that the Sparrow is a great design and am interested in one for my wife to use. I recently aquired an Osprey .45 by SilencerCo, and am very impressed by thier design and materials, another reason that I would like to aquire more of thier product. The only thing I can say about SilencerCo that would be in any way negative is that they are pricey, but the same can be said for almost all of the producers of such items. If you need further reassurance, then I'd suggest more research and patience. |
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Unfortunately the statement "I'd rather hear someone say, "I've shot them all and product XX is a great performer and a best of breed product." is a bit hard to do unless you're J. Paul Getty and have unlimited funds to achieve this lofty status. I'm not aware of anyone on this or any other forum I frequent that can make such a statement. Bookhound is your man for this. He ran a very successful business in this very industry and has a wealth of knowledge. Mark's advice is spot on and comes from experience testing many, many, products. Quoted:
I recently aquired an Osprey .45 by SilencerCo, and am very impressed by thier design and materials, another reason that I would like to aquire more of thier product. The only thing I can say about SilencerCo that would be in any way negative is that they are pricey, but the same can be said for almost all of the producers of such items. If you need further reassurance, then I'd suggest more research and patience. I'm waiting on a F4 to clear for a 45 Osprey. They are cool. What are you using as a host? Research and patience - Two things most people don't have enough of, myself included. |
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Thanks for the input,buying my first can is driving me crazy. Right now I am going to try and locate a Sparrow SS, the Quest is $430 out the door(plus stamp). I try to buy the best I can so a little extra coin for the Sparrow will be worth it I was the same way with my first purchase and still get like that with stuff that's new to me. Check with Major Malfunction if no one near you has one in stock. |
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I have a Stratus, it's the same can but all aluminum. It works well and is very quiet (and light weight). You probably wouldn't regret buying the Quest. That said, my next can will be the new SS Sparrow. "probably wouldn't regret buying " Just an observation so please don't take offense. That quote is a little scary to the guy trying to plan his first purchase. I'd rather hear someone say, "I've shot them all and product XX is a great performer and a best of breed product." I'd rather hear confidence from a product owner instead of something more like, "it is okay for the money" or "you'll probably like it". Know what I mean? There is more than mere sound reduction that prospective buyers should consider when deciding on a product. In the case of take apart .22 suppressors, ease of dis-assembly and re-assembly, quality of construction, product documentation and quality of the company behind the product top my list. I mention the packaging/documentation because I vividly remember the first time I opened a Tac Innovations box for one of their Quest products. I remember how unimpressed I was with the machining and how there was no documentation accompanying the product explaining how to put the thing back together. I mean sure I had a pretty good idea, but I still had to search their website for information on exactly where in the stack the spacer went. When I let the customer take it apart he was completely clueless how it might go back together since it was his first suppressor. Perhaps their documentation is improved at this point. I also recall the product did not come with the much needed dis-assembly tools. My personal 22Sparrow (original aluminum version) is serial number 0002. Even with that first batch of product the packaging and documentation were excellent. There were no questions left to the imagination after opening that box. It was very well executed. To me there is no comparison in products. I see the SilencerCo offering as vastly superior. But, as they say, YMMV. I am sure there are folks who will disagree with my opinion. I wonder how many other products they've tried though. Mark The original sparrow and quest should be fairly comparable in performance. You are correct, the lack of a basic instruction manual or simple exploded diagram with the Quest is bad form, but the spacer should go in the blast chamber of a K baffle suppressor. So if there is one spacer, I don't see that as confusing. In the end you will have the product, and the box may offer some gee whiz factor, but my brother's Ops Inc can came with no box or manual, and it is an outstanding suppressor. Knights cans come in a simple white cardboard box, with a manual and I think they have the right idea. The product is what people are paying for. No need to build substantial cost into something that doesn't have a significant relation to the actual product. For my money, knowing that every dollar of cost represents 2-3 dollars of MSRP, I would prefer to see a company provide minimal packaging with a simple well written set of instructions. That color printed box probably represents $15 of the ~$400-500 MSRP, so the question is whether the average customer, if given the option would opt out of that cost. The white Uline style KAC box for the $1500 product? maybe $0.68 cost before however KAC prices it into the product. That $15 is 3% of the total price- or similar to a paypal or credit card fee. And I know my customers often send a check instead of paying that fee, so that indicates the 3% is meaningful to them. |
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