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12/10/2022 12:52:01 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By thirsty:

15 or even 10 years ago, FN wasn't this expensive. They were an awesome value. The FNP-45 Tactical, one of the first RDS-ready pistols, was what, $650? That's about $820 today. The FNX-45 today is $1200-1300 and guess what? There's little difference to justify such a markup.

For whatever reason, FN has developed a really high sense of perceived worth for their products. I've really soured on them, which sucks because I'm really interested in the CC Edge. Just not for $1400.
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IIRC I paid $900-1100 for the FNP45T when it first came out. Then they upgraded it not too long after with the FNX-45T.
12/12/2022 12:19:16 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By dalyman72:


It's all so tiresome.

I was shooting a FA FAL today. Ya know what? FN knew how to make a non-recip gun many decades ago... It's not like some Belgians after Y2K all the sudden thought reciprocating handles were the second coming.



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That was a requirement by socom, i fail to see how fn is at fault for giving the customer what they asked for


This.  Can't blame FN for it.  They were just trying to abide by the requirements in the contract they developed the rifle for.


It's all so tiresome.

I was shooting a FA FAL today. Ya know what? FN knew how to make a non-recip gun many decades ago... It's not like some Belgians after Y2K all the sudden thought reciprocating handles were the second coming.





reading comprehension clearly isnt your strong suit
12/12/2022 11:29:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By LowRez:


reading comprehension clearly isnt your strong suit
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I don't think dalyman's reply to my comment was meant as an insult.  I believe he was just piggybacking off our comments on FN adding the RCH as part of the SOCOM contract and adding on that it isn't like FN doesn't know how to make a gun with a NRCH since they did it with the FAL years ago.
12/18/2022 2:02:16 PM EDT
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Saw this Belgium Like-New 17S for $2749.99 at Thornton, CO Cabelas yesterday:

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Probably make a good parts gun if anyone has $3k laying around. Bolt and barrel looked unfired.
12/20/2022 4:50:57 PM EDT
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The morons complaining about the reciprocating CH Scars that don't know SOCOM specifically asked for that in the original contract lmfao
12/20/2022 4:52:50 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By PointBlank82:
Saw this Belgium Like-New 17S for $2749.99 at Thornton, CO Cabelas yesterday:

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/310106/20221217_140338_jpg-2639881.JPG

Probably make a good parts gun if anyone has $3k laying around. Bolt and barrel looked unfired.
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Thew real crime in this pic is the glock 26 for $599
12/20/2022 5:02:03 PM EDT
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I lost interest in the SCAR when they stopped importing them and started jacking up the price.
2/8/2023 1:13:36 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Tengo1:



Lol. I always enjoy the guys who spend 10 minutes writing out an entire 5 paragraph explanation of why their AR is so much better and why they would never buy a SCAR. Projection much
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As a neutral observer, who stumbled into this thread, I’d say the interesting psychology is more on you since you responded instead of just moving on. Like someone who was unaffected by the post would have.  

What he said was technically true. You don’t have to justify buying a scar. If you like it, you like it.

Just an observation. Not trying to insinuate or start anything.
2/8/2023 8:01:30 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bosif347:
The morons complaining about the reciprocating CH Scars that don't know SOCOM specifically asked for that in the original contract lmfao
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That doesn’t mean it’s a good design feature just because the muhlitary requested it. Plenty of examples of badly designed military gear out there.

That reciprocating CH caused enough malfunctions that US Army Special Forces did not select the Mk16/SCAR-L after evaluation.
2/8/2023 10:50:04 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By FullAssault:
I lost interest in the SCAR when they stopped importing them and started jacking up the price.
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Does that mean you are half way interested in the new 15P?
2/9/2023 3:19:06 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Apec:

That doesn’t mean it’s a good design feature just because the muhlitary requested it. Plenty of examples of badly designed military gear out there.

That reciprocating CH caused enough malfunctions that US Army Special Forces did not select the Mk16/SCAR-L after evaluation.
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There’s a YouTube video where a retired SF armorer who was on the team that evaluated the SCAR-L for SOCOM goes over the various issues and reasons it was not selected for full adoption. I’m about 90% sure the reciprocating charging handle was not one of them.  
2/9/2023 3:22:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Tengo1:


There’s a YouTube video where a retired SF armorer who was on the team that evaluated the SCAR-L for SOCOM goes over the various issues and reasons it was not selected for full adoption. I’m about 90% sure the reciprocating charging handle was not one of them.  
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Originally Posted By Tengo1:
Originally Posted By Apec:

That doesn’t mean it’s a good design feature just because the muhlitary requested it. Plenty of examples of badly designed military gear out there.

That reciprocating CH caused enough malfunctions that US Army Special Forces did not select the Mk16/SCAR-L after evaluation.


There’s a YouTube video where a retired SF armorer who was on the team that evaluated the SCAR-L for SOCOM goes over the various issues and reasons it was not selected for full adoption. I’m about 90% sure the reciprocating charging handle was not one of them.  

I think @Stuka87 is his username. Video below. He’s got some really good content.

Why the SCAR in 5.56 (MK16) was not adopted by U.S. Special Forces to replace the M4A1.

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