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Posted: 10/20/2025 1:12:27 PM EDT
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I have avoided buying shotgun for over a decade, now. Finally picked one up because these Blue Line imported 870 clones are down to $125 shipped so it was a dont threaten me with a good time kind of situation. Of course the week it came in I added $200 of accessories to the $125 shotgun, but thats why were here. All in all for the price you absolutely cannot go wrong with these and they just work. I did however have to wipe off like a gallon of cosmoline/oil upon delivery and re-oil the thing up before use. Some say they are similar to the Maverick 88 but IIRC the Blue Line is fully steel/milled with no MIM or plastic trigger guard/etc. I had the Vector Optics Frenzy red dot laying around which is actually super nice with the huge C-More STS style jumbo window and 6MOA dot for a shotgun like this. The UTG clamp-on rail is also surprisingly nice for $30 on Amazon. Did anyone else pick up one of these Blue Line's in the recent sales the distributor has been pushing?   
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Quoted: Go ahead, support the commies who are making them.   Let me know when you throw away your phone, tvs, computer, add your car and truck, tractors, lawn mowers. All your electronic shit in your house. I'll wait. Yeah guess not. That ship sailed a looooooooooong time ago. OP you do you. Glad your happy. I wish I could find a 125 dollar 870. |
| Full review to follow, but my recommendation is to buy them if you don’t mind a Norinco made shotgun. Excellent 870 clones for the price (currently $116). Give them away as stocking stuffers and birthday gifts at that price. Far better made than any other cheap pump. |
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Quoted: I’m seeing 199 at buds. Anyone got a link to the prices yall are seeing? https://www.dahlonegaarmory.com/product/blu-bl-18-pump-12m18.5cb-syn |
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Quoted: I’m seeing 199 at buds. Anyone got a link to the prices yall are seeing? https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/689585855443 |
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Quoted: I have a an 870 outfitted very much like your BL. I have been riding the struggle bus trying to find a forward sling mount that will work with my tube extension. Which one is that on yours? Thats the magpul MAG508 Rem 870 forward sling mount. Drops right in. |
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Quoted: Does anyone make a 590 copy? Not Really in looks and dimensions- The cheap Turk guns are like a hybrid between Mossberg and 870. Mossberg was ahead of the curve to make its Budget Maverick version and less direct competition - Palmetto State Armory is coming out with a modular version where you can accessorize the gun how you want. |
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I'm usually a "buy a Maverick 88" sort of guy and have avoided the Chinese 870 clones, mostly because I had better American shotguns when these first appeared and really didn't have use for one. (ironically I DO NOT own a Maverick...) But at < $130 for one? Yeah, that's sinking into my "why the hell not?" "screw around" category. At that price, I may get one just to beat the living shit out of, to see how much punishment it will tolerate. |
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Quoted: But at < $130 for one? Yeah, that's sinking into my "why the hell not?" "screw around" category. At that price, I may get one just to beat the living shit out of, to see how much punishment it will tolerate. |
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Quoted: I'm usually a "buy a Maverick 88" sort of guy and have avoided the Chinese 870 clones, mostly because I had better American shotguns when these first appeared and really didn't have use for one. (ironically I DO NOT own a Maverick...) But at < $130 for one? Yeah, that's sinking into my "why the hell not?" "screw around" category. At that price, I may get one just to beat the living shit out of, to see how much punishment it will tolerate. I know for a fact they were far better of a purchase than the Remington Express that Freedom Group was putting out. So much that they actually purchased HR that was selling the Pardner Pump (Also a Norinco 982 with a different receiver shape) They feel a bit heavier for some reason, but this helps soak up recoil. You will probably like it. Way better built than the Turkish pumps in the same price range. If anything they feel over built.\ Honestly I have no knowledge of how the new Remington's builds are. |
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Quoted: I know for a fact they were far better of a purchase than the Remington Express that Freedom Group was putting out. So much that they actually purchased HR that was selling the Pardner Pump (Also a Norinco 982 with a different receiver shape) They feel a bit heavier for some reason, but this helps soak up recoil. You will probably like it. Way better built than the Turkish pumps in the same price range. If anything they feel over built. Honestly I have no knowledge of how the new Remington's builds are. Quoted: Quoted: I'm usually a "buy a Maverick 88" sort of guy and have avoided the Chinese 870 clones, mostly because I had better American shotguns when these first appeared and really didn't have use for one. (ironically I DO NOT own a Maverick...) But at < $130 for one? Yeah, that's sinking into my "why the hell not?" "screw around" category. At that price, I may get one just to beat the living shit out of, to see how much punishment it will tolerate. I know for a fact they were far better of a purchase than the Remington Express that Freedom Group was putting out. So much that they actually purchased HR that was selling the Pardner Pump (Also a Norinco 982 with a different receiver shape) They feel a bit heavier for some reason, but this helps soak up recoil. You will probably like it. Way better built than the Turkish pumps in the same price range. If anything they feel over built. Honestly I have no knowledge of how the new Remington's builds are. The Hawks are heavier than an 870 b/c the stock is solid plastic - not hollow. Put a Remington wood stock on it, it'll be lighter probably by at least half a pound. Rem Arms quality seems decent, but they're not producing shotguns at the moment. At all. They're building a new factory in Georgia, have already shut down production in New York, and utterly missed making new shotguns for the 2025 waterfowl season. 
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Quoted: I know for a fact they were far better of a purchase than the Remington Express that Freedom Group was putting out.  ETA: one of reasons an 870 clone is desired is that yours truly ended up with several 870 specific accessories when I should have known better to order. 1148 =/= 870 
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Old Review: IAC Hawk 982 Shotgun: 12ga Remington 870 Clone Review (HD) I wish they would bring back the Ghost Ring Model. Old Pics comparing Hawk vs Pardner: Attached File The only issue is that the forend tube was extremely tight with a magpul forend. I had to use heat on the forend and slide it on with some oil. I picked up a spare off ebay for about $25 in case I want to swap to something else. All of the Pardner Pump parts are exactly the same/compatible. Remington stuff fits too. |
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Heres another anecdote on the toughness of these. When I first got it I was lazy and didnt feel like figuring out how to disassemble the thing, so I just started hammering the magul handguard on with the pump arm still attached to the receiver It eventually got jammed in one direction so I went the other way and it got jammed into the disassembly-spring-arm-thingies you have to depress to remove it. So I hammered it some more and it came apart and eventually back together without issue. 20 rounds of buckshot and slugs at the range afterwards with 100% function checking and it's working great. These things are absolute tanks. |
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Quoted: Old Review:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCUN-WuhafAI wish they would bring back the Ghost Ring Model. Old Pics comparing Hawk vs Pardner: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/333164/scirg_png-2655678.JPG The only issue is that the forend tube was extremely tight with a magpul forend. I had to use heat on the forend and slide it on with some oil. I picked up a spare off ebay for about $25 in case I want to swap to something else. All of the Pardner Pump parts are exactly the same/compatible. Remington stuff fits too. The mag tube length, & therefore the barrel magazine ring position, are just slightly different between the IAC Hawk & the H&R Pardner Pump. |
it has torn a few gun cases and It would not feel pleasant to be hit by that - Like a mini axe blade!
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Quoted: The Hawks are heavier than an 870 b/c the stock is solid plastic - not hollow. Put a Remington wood stock on it, it'll be lighter probably by at least half a pound. Rem Arms quality seems decent, but they're not producing shotguns at the moment. At all. They're building a new factory in Georgia, have already shut down production in New York, and utterly missed making new shotguns for the 2025 waterfowl season. Stocks are not solid plastic- but they are very thick plastic, like 3/8”+ wall thickness. Far heavier than OEM Rem LE or regular 870 plastic stocks. |
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Quoted: Being a shotgunner all my life, I’d buy a used 870. I shoot 100’s of rounds each year. There’s a buy once rule cry once that applies to shotguns more than anything I can think of. I shoot them more than that. Carried an 870 damn near every day in some role at work for 25 years, used them for patrol, less lethal, and breaching roles. Taught shotgun classes. Remington 870 Armorer. And I am unable to resist buying a used 870 Police riot gun if the price is right (so weak!) I would say there can be more problems with a used 870 than most people even know what to look for. Hell my 2nd agency issued me an 870 that failed my very first function check, I ripped it all apart and found the forend nut was loose, so loose that the gun was not headspacing correctly enough to fire. God knows what would have happened if someone tried to use it. One of my first tasks was going thru all the patrol shotguns to make sure they were all good. (Everyone should check their 870 forend nuts- blue loctite is your friend). These Blue Line Solutions (Hawk/Norinco 870 clones) are better than the Express models. Might even be arguably better than the 870 Police version that came out under the Freedom Group ownership. Better than an old worn out Wingmaster riot gun from the 60’s-80’s. I have worked on all of those guns at some point. The only issues are that they might need a little more wear in or smoothing before they get that well used 870 feel. The forend should be chopped down to LE length, or replaced with an LE style one. The barrels are not directly interchangeable with OEM due to the longer mag tube. None of that is a big deal. I wish they used the 870 POLICE/Wingmaster barrel locking design vs the Express style, but both types work fine. The mag tube holding one more round to begin with is a huge improvement, as a regular 870 Police extension is a source of a lot of potential malfunctions if not installed correctly and tested well. For the price, you can’t beat them. People thought Norinco MAK-90’s were junk as well when they were $179-239 or so… what do people think today? (Should have bought a dozen!) For pump action shotguns, these are the buy it now import of 2025 in my opinion. Cheap enough to hand them out or leave one in every corner or every vehicle. Can’t complain about anything except the people who built them (china sucks), but that aside, just looking at the firearm and how it is built, hard to go wrong with them. |
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Quoted: Thats the magpul MAG508 Rem 870 forward sling mount. Drops right in. Quoted: Quoted: I have a an 870 outfitted very much like your BL. I have been riding the struggle bus trying to find a forward sling mount that will work with my tube extension. Which one is that on yours? Thats the magpul MAG508 Rem 870 forward sling mount. Drops right in. Which +1 magazine extension? Looks like current options are Wilson Combat and Choate. There's a company in Canada selling a tube ext, labeled for the Blue Line 12ga (flush with end of the barrel), but not shipping to my USA |
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Quoted: Which +1 magazine extension? Looks like current options are Wilson Combat and Choate. There's a company in Canada selling a tube ext, labeled for the Blue Line 12ga (flush with end of the barrel), but not shipping to my USA I was told the Choate fits, not sure about the Wilson but the price is much better. Where did you find that the Wilson fits the Blue Line? |
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Quoted: I was told the Choate fits, not sure about the Wilson but the price is much better. Where did you find that the Wilson fits the Blue Line? Different reviews/Q&A online mention having the Wilson+1 and another the Choate. I bought mine from the link in this thread btw. Have not confirmed fitment of anything myself: use the search window in the reviews and Q&A to see of what I posted eta the Choate looks cleaner IMO. |
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Quoted: Old Review: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCUN-WuhafAI wish they would bring back the Ghost Ring Model. Old Pics comparing Hawk vs Pardner: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/333164/scirg_png-2655678.JPG The only issue is that the forend tube was extremely tight with a magpul forend. I had to use heat on the forend and slide it on with some oil. I picked up a spare off ebay for about $25 in case I want to swap to something else. All of the Pardner Pump parts are exactly the same/compatible. Remington stuff fits too. My Magpul 590 foreend was really tight, and I needed a rubber mallet to install it on the guide tube. |
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Quoted: Let me know when you throw away your phone, tvs, computer, add your car and truck, tractors, lawn mowers. All your electronic shit in your house. I'll wait. Yeah guess not. That ship sailed a looooooooooong time ago. Fuck off with that nonsense. if you can't find an real Remington 870 or Mossberg for ~$300 on the used market then you aren't looking very hard. If all you can afford is a $125 clone then get your shit together and do better. |
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Quoted: Such a stupid fucking argument. So because there are some items that we don't have any alternative options for we should just say fuck it across the board and buy whatever cheap piece of commie shit we can find? Fuck off with that nonsense. if you can't find an real Remington 870 or Mossberg for ~$300 on the used market then you aren't looking very hard. If all you can afford is a $125 clone then get your shit together and do better. OK Francis. You mean Remington needs to get it's shit together right? When the Chinese are making better shit then us we have a problem. |
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Quoted: When the Chinese are making better shit then us we have a problem. Doubling down on the stupid I see. If you actually believe that Chinese made crap is the "better" option then yes, you definitely have a problem. Remington launched the 870 in 1950 and after 75 years of production, they've made over 11 million of them. If you can't find a decent one for a reasonable price then you're an idiot. |
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Quoted: Doubling down on the stupid I see. If you actually believe that Chinese made crap is the "better" option then yes, you definitely have a problem. Remington launched the 870 in 1950 and after 75 years of production, they've made over 11 million of them. If you can't find a decent one for a reasonable price then you're an idiot. Look around Chinese shit is in everything. Maybe you can't see it. But, I guess there a shit load of other people who feel the same as me. I love the internet tough guys who call people names through their computer. Yes we know you are tough. You do you. I'll do me. |
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Just one dumb response after another with you... Quoted: Look around Chinese shit is in everything. Quoted: Look around Chinese shit is in everything. TV's are actually a perfect example of why I care... There was a time when the best TV's in the world were made in the US. Then the Japanese came along and figured out how to make a better product for less money. That's fine because that's what a free market is supposed to do (drive competition and innovation) but unlike Chinese, the Japanese didn't do it by stealing IP or using slave labor and their goal wasn't to destroy the US economy in order to become biggest bitch on the block. Quoted: I guess there a shit load of other people who feel the same as me. You could try to argue that this is really a chicken or the egg question? Do some people not care because the market is flooded with this crap OR... Is the market flooded with this crap because too many people don't seem to care and buy whatever is cheapest? Its mostly the latter because at the end of the day, consumers drive the market. People who choose to buy inferior products (whether knowingly or out of ignorance) simply because it costs less is the main reason why the market is flooded with low quality crap. Quoted: You do you. I'll do me. Quoted: I love the internet tough guys who call people names through their computer. Yes we know you are tough. |
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Quoted: Just one dumb response after another with you... Chinese shit is everything? WTF are you talking about? Did you mean "everywhere"? If so then... so what? How does that justify buying crap products from communist shitholes that hates us? Phones and TVs are one thing because for the most part, we don't have a choice there but in a lot of other cases (like this one) there are plenty of other/better options. Arguing that there is nothing wrong with buying cheap Chinese or Turkish clone crap because all cell phones come from China is just a stupid argument. TV's are actually a perfect example of why I care... There was a time when the best TV's in the world were made in the US. Then the Japanese came along and figured out how to make a better product for less money. That's fine because that's what a free market is supposed to do (drive competition and innovation) but unlike Chinese, the Japanese didn't do it by stealing IP or using slave labor and their goal wasn't to destroy the US economy in order to become biggest bitch on the block. A shit load of people seem to be fine with illegal immigration too so does that make it right or OK? You could try to argue that this is really a chicken or the egg question? Do some people not care because the market is flooded with this crap OR... Is the market flooded with this crap because too many people don't seem to care and buy whatever is cheapest? Its mostly the latter because at the end of the day, consumers drive the market. People who choose to buy inferior products (whether knowingly or out of ignorance) simply because it costs less is the main reason why the market is flooded with low quality crap. Ordinarily I'd say fair enough but here's the thing. Your poor choices do actually effect me. The more people who buy this crap, the harder it is for other companies/countries making higher quality alternatives to stay in business. Eventually, they have to move the production to China or go out of business and then the rest of us no longer have a choice. Just like with cell phone and TVs. And I love the cowards who can't make a logical argument so they try misdirect the conversion into something else. What's this "tough guy" BS? Did I threaten to kick your ass or invade your safe space? Did I hurt your vagina by saying mean things? It's ok man. Not everyone can read. There is your problem it's not crap anymore. Its done cheaper and better then we can. The shotgun in question is a perfect example. There is not a single MIM part in the gun. Everything is forged. The trigger guard is even steel not plastic like the Remington's. Remington on the other hand makes shit MIM and garbage parts and sells the gun for 600.00. Why would anyone want to buy a Remington when its cheaply made and costs 5x. We all dug this hole we are in. We are now fighting each other on Chinese computers. You can embrace the suck, or whine about it. As to the tough guy crap. Children switch to name calling when they don't get their way. As I said you do you and I'll do me. |
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Quoted: There is your problem it's not crap anymore. Its done cheaper and better then we can. Quoted: The shotgun in question is a perfect example. There is not a single MIM part in the gun. Everything is forged. The trigger guard is even steel not plastic like the Remington's. And since you seem to be an expert on this gun that you don't even own, let me ask you... No MIM and all forged sounds wonderful but what grade of steel do they use? How was that steel stress relieved and heat treated? How did you verify everything was milled to spec and if its not, then what? Send it back to China or the hacks that imported it? Quoted: Why would anyone want to buy a Remington when its cheaply made and costs 5x A. I rather support an American company then anything made in China B. Just because they use MIM and polymer, doesn't make them shit. Both materials, properly done and appropriately used, are just fine. C. Remington isn't the only other option. D. If I wasn't concerned with supporting any specific manufacture but I was looking for the best option then I would find an older used 870 (or possibly Mossberg) which can be had for well under $600, may not contain those materials you seem to find so offensive and most importantly, doesn't give money to China. Quoted: We all dug this hole we are in. Quoted: We are now fighting each other on Chinese computers. Quoted: You can embrace the suck or whine about it. Quoted: As to the tough guy crap. Children switch to name calling when they don't get their way. So far you have called me "Francis" and "Tough guy" and what exactly have I called you directly??? |
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Quoted: And that's your problem. You believe that BS. There is nothing that they can do "better" than the US or anybody else can. It just cost more when "we" do it because "we" don't use stolen IP, shit materials and slave labor. Oh, the trigger guard is metal! That explains everything. Why didn't you just lead with that!? I always knew the Benelli M4 and Beretta 1301 were garbage because they also use polymer trigger guards. Man, I wish I had a dollar for every story I've seen about those POS M4's failing in combat because of those shitty trigger guards! Guns like the Glock are huge piles of steaming shit with their polymer frames am I right! And since you seem to be an expert on this gun that you don't even own, let me ask you... No MIM and all forged sounds wonderful but what grade of steel do they use? How was that steel stress relieved and heat treated? How did you verify everything was milled to spec and if its not, then what? Send it back to China or the hacks that imported it? Well Because... A. I rather support an American company then anything made in China B. Just because they use MIM and polymer, doesn't make them shit. Both materials, properly done and appropriately used, are just fine. C. Remington isn't the only other option. D. If I wasn't concerned with supporting any specific manufacture but I was looking for the best option then I would find an older used 870 (or possibly Mossberg) which can be had for well under $600, may not contain those materials you seem to find so offensive and most importantly, doesn't give money to China. No, "we" didn't. People like you did. That's really all you got isn't? Must be because you keep clinging to it even though it has absolutely no fucking relevance here. I'll leave the sucking to you. You seem to be good at it. And there's the old redirect but OK I'll play... So far you have called me "Francis" and "Tough guy" and what exactly have I called you directly??? You assume I don't own any real 870's and assume I don't own any Chinese copies. You also did not read what I wrote earlier. Your acting unhinged. Take a break man. I won't respond farther. |
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