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11/26/2013 6:31:51 PM EDT
Been slowing collecting my thoughts over the last 2 months and finally finished my response to 41P. Submittals are limited to 5000 characters but I am close to 14,000  Yeah, I know that I wrote a small book but wanted to make sure to hit all the major points. I know that I can save the whole response as an attachment but not sure if that is as effective.

Curious as to what others have done. In the comment field did you just say:

1) "See attachment",
2) include just the first 4950 characters with a "see attachment for remaining response" at the end,
3) Summarize the major points with a "see attachment for more detail"
4) Provide an outline of the sections in the attachment with a "see attachment for details"
5) or do something else entirely.  

I have my doubts that the BATF will actually read and respond to any of the submissions. I have even greater doubt that they would go to the trouble to actually open up an attachment.

Just curious what others have done. I have to assume the major law firms and firearms associations (NRA, Prince Law, etc.) will have massive submissions so curious what they do. Anyone here have actual insight on how proposal comments actually get reviewed in order to address comments/issues?

Thanks.
11/26/2013 7:05:53 PM EDT
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Been slowing collecting my thoughts over the last 2 months and finally finished my response to 41P. Submittals are limited to 5000 characters but I am close to 14,000  Yeah, I know that I wrote a small book but wanted to make sure to hit all the major points. I know that I can save the whole response as an attachment but not sure if that is as effective.

Curious as to what others have done. In the comment field did you just say:

1) "See attachment",
2) include just the first 4950 characters with a "see attachment for remaining response" at the end,
3) Summarize the major points with a "see attachment for more detail"
4) Provide an outline of the sections in the attachment with a "see attachment for details"
5) or do something else entirely.  

I have my doubts that the BATF will actually read and respond to any of the submissions. I have even greater doubt that they would go to the trouble to actually open up an attachment.

Just curious what others have done. I have to assume the major law firms and firearms associations (NRA, Prince Law, etc.) will have massive submissions so curious what they do. Anyone here have actual insight on how proposal comments actually get reviewed in order to address comments/issues?

Thanks.
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File Menu>Print>Fold Paper>Place in Envelope>Seal Envelope>Lick Stamp>affix Stamp>Address to Brenda R Friend at the address provided on regulation.gov>place in mailbox..


Or you might be able to upload a PDF, I dunno for sure.. I do know the old fashioned method above works. Just make sure it is RECEIVED before the end of the comment period, I don't think they give half a shit about postmark date.
11/26/2013 8:46:38 PM EDT
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File Menu>Print>Fold Paper>Place in Envelope>Seal Envelope>Lick Stamp>affix Stamp>Address to Brenda R Friend at the address provided on regulation.gov>place in mailbox..


Or you might be able to upload a PDF, I dunno for sure.. I do know the old fashioned method above works. Just make sure it is RECEIVED before the end of the comment period, I don't think they give half a shit about postmark date.
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Been slowing collecting my thoughts over the last 2 months and finally finished my response to 41P. Submittals are limited to 5000 characters but I am close to 14,000  Yeah, I know that I wrote a small book but wanted to make sure to hit all the major points. I know that I can save the whole response as an attachment but not sure if that is as effective.

Curious as to what others have done. In the comment field did you just say:

1) "See attachment",
2) include just the first 4950 characters with a "see attachment for remaining response" at the end,
3) Summarize the major points with a "see attachment for more detail"
4) Provide an outline of the sections in the attachment with a "see attachment for details"
5) or do something else entirely.  

I have my doubts that the BATF will actually read and respond to any of the submissions. I have even greater doubt that they would go to the trouble to actually open up an attachment.

Just curious what others have done. I have to assume the major law firms and firearms associations (NRA, Prince Law, etc.) will have massive submissions so curious what they do. Anyone here have actual insight on how proposal comments actually get reviewed in order to address comments/issues?

Thanks.


File Menu>Print>Fold Paper>Place in Envelope>Seal Envelope>Lick Stamp>affix Stamp>Address to Brenda R Friend at the address provided on regulation.gov>place in mailbox..


Or you might be able to upload a PDF, I dunno for sure.. I do know the old fashioned method above works. Just make sure it is RECEIVED before the end of the comment period, I don't think they give half a shit about postmark date.


This... ^

Definitely mail it. Maybe get a delivery receipt as well.
11/26/2013 9:50:32 PM EDT
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Summarize.
One of the few things that GD and The .gov agree on and dont like is TD;LR
11/27/2013 4:12:05 AM EDT
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Yes, attachments are valid and must be reviewed by ATF. Here is an example of a letter I submitted (not our formal Comment - this is just a protective letter for future judicial review) - http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=ATF-2013-0001-2404. Also, the Comment we prepared for David Goldman was submitted in paper, which resulted in ATF uploading it as seen here - http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=ATF-2013-0001-1899
11/27/2013 7:30:14 PM EDT
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Thanks for all the suggestions. Since the "big boys" all just said "See attachment", that is what I did. My wife still needs to comment so expect that she will just take some of the key points from the one I did.

That raises another interesting question: since the comments require a physical address, will comments from the same address be lumped together or viewed as 2 (or more) separate comments as long as the name is different? Currently only about 3000 comments but if everyone had their "significant other" also comment then that would help raise that number greatly.
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