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2/20/2018 7:23:28 PM EDT
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Stock/brace adapter showed up.

It pains my inner purist, but I'm not going to lie, it's a handy little booger in this form.  I'll probably try to shoot it next week.  The piece itself seems very well made, and the aesthetics are pleasing as well.

If you have no intention of ever registering your receiver, I'd tell you to buy this thing immediately.  Even if you plan to, this is still a pretty cool stock mounting option.

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Does that mount the same way the old stock did (2 screws?)
2/20/2018 7:26:30 PM EDT
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Yeah, also it’s a different stock with the rear loop going over the red dot the way it does.
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When I mocked it up with the rings I tried, something like a aimpoint micro or a fast fire type red dot would be fine with the regular stock, but I could never get the ring to actually stay since its the trunnion is a cone not a cylinder.

I've seen some airsoft versions that have a bit of P-rail on the bottom, and if that could be done on a real gun I'd be all over it. A compact mini-laser like a unimax would be perfect for 0-50yd ranges.
2/20/2018 8:08:35 PM EDT
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Is it hard to aim?
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Is it hard to aim?
No different than the factory wire stock.  Honestly, it's probably easier because it's more solid and has a better cheek weld.

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Does that mount the same way the old stock did (2 screws?)
Yes it does.
2/20/2018 8:09:56 PM EDT
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Who sells the .22 conversions? I'd like to get one.... Thanks in advance
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Czechpoint has them, but they are sold out.  Recon Ordnance has them, but it's about $100 more than Czechpoint.
2/20/2018 10:53:45 PM EDT
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So id have to swap the whole upper to get a threaded bbl?
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Czechpoint has posted that the trunnion is different. They do offer a threaded upper.
So id have to swap the whole upper to get a threaded bbl?
Unless you know how to bore out a regular upper and can source the correct barrel? I can’t. That’s why the whole new threaded upper is the cleanest way.
2/20/2018 10:56:21 PM EDT
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The rear of my receiver from Recon has two threaded holes with thread protectors in them? Maybe? IDK.
Any ideas?
2/21/2018 9:53:20 AM EDT
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The rear of my receiver from Recon has two threaded holes with thread protectors in them? Maybe? IDK.
Any ideas?
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I'm confused as to what's being asked here?
2/22/2018 4:08:06 PM EDT
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In the fence whether to order the standard one from recon while it's in Stock or wait for the threaded version.  Wish I had picked up some mags now last time I was at the Creek.  I'll be on the watch to see if there's any there this time.

I see czech point recommends foreign 7.65 vs SAAMI spec due to reliability.  Can anyone comment on that?
2/22/2018 4:15:25 PM EDT
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European spec tends to be hotter, makes the bolt move faster.  Same reason CCI MiniMags tend to make .22 LR semi-autos more reliable.
2/22/2018 4:19:50 PM EDT
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In the fence whether to order the standard one from recon while it's in Stock or wait for the threaded version.  Wish I had picked up some mags now last time I was at the Creek.  I'll be on the watch to see if there's any there this time.

I see czech point recommends foreign 7.65 vs SAAMI spec due to reliability.  Can anyone comment on that?
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If you already own a silencer, the threaded version would be nice.  I guess a possible downside is that the threaded ones are not original/surplus uppers and barrels, if that matters to you.

I've seen that warning on their website, but my vz61 has eaten ANY ammo I've fed it, except for HP, which I have never cared to try.  I personally like Fiocchi or S&B, but I've never had an issue with anything I've tried.  My local range only sells UMC, for example.  It eats it right up (with a notably larger amount of fire from the election port).

As for mags, keep a constant eye on GunBroker.  I've scored an absolute ton on there for cheap.

Edit: How cheap were they at KCR?
2/22/2018 5:37:39 PM EDT
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If I recall it was $20 for a pouch of 2.  There was a crate full which surprised me as before they were $30 or $35 on the net each.
2/22/2018 5:48:01 PM EDT
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That's a really good price with the pouch. Darn.
2/25/2018 12:19:32 PM EDT
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im stoked about the 22 conversion, seems practical.... wish they woulld come back in stock...
2/25/2018 2:59:00 PM EDT
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In the fence whether to order the standard one from recon while it's in Stock or wait for the threaded version.  Wish I had picked up some mags now last time I was at the Creek.  I'll be on the watch to see if there's any there this time.

I see czech point recommends foreign 7.65 vs SAAMI spec due to reliability.  Can anyone comment on that?
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I bought Czechpoint threaded barrel version in 32ACP, great little gun waiting for my stamp.

I have only shot S&B, and GECO, and not one malfunction, works great.  Buying through SGAmmo it is cheap to shoot.  I do not know about the other calibers.

Friday afternoon KY/TN time is when they update thier website, look then to buy.
2/26/2018 1:38:50 AM EDT
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I'm confused as to what's being asked here?
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The rear of my receiver from Recon has two threaded holes with thread protectors in them? Maybe? IDK.
Any ideas?
I'm confused as to what's being asked here?
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Wondering what these holes are?
2/26/2018 4:31:20 AM EDT
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Mounting point for a stock adapter.
2/26/2018 9:30:34 AM EDT
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Yep. Those set screws are plugging the mounting holes for either the dovetail factory stock adapter, or the pistol brace adapter they just released.

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They said on FB "end of March."
2/26/2018 1:57:01 PM EDT
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Anyone found mags for less than $19.99?

I have a 25% coupon for Keepshooting.com and they're at $19.99 for new unissued surplus.
2/26/2018 3:02:33 PM EDT
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I bought quite a few by just stalking GunBroker.  After that, I'd give Sarco a call.  After THAT...I think $20 is about it.

Is $19.99 before or after the coupon?
2/26/2018 4:06:12 PM EDT
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I bought quite a few by just stalking GunBroker.  After that, I'd give Sarco a call.  After THAT...I think $20 is about it.

Is $19.99 before or after the coupon?
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Sarco is all out.  Didn't get enough from Clearview back a year or so ago.

The $19.99 is before 25% off.  I bought some pants from Keepshooting.com a couple months ago and they threw me a 25% off next order to bring me back.

Thanks for the reply CKxx, I appreciate it.
2/27/2018 1:47:24 PM EDT
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This is interesting- Atlantic Firearms seems to have started carrying all calibers of vz61, all with arm braces and threaded barrel.

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2/27/2018 7:05:28 PM EDT
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This is interesting- Atlantic Firearms seems to have started carrying all calibers of vz61, all with arm braces and threaded barrel.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/57691/czech_point_vz61_765_pistol-63-466129.JPG
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Damnit.........I gonna snag one in .32 now.

Side note: I stumbled across this while looking for a holster (yeahyeahyeah I know its airsoft 3D printed stuff but it could give some ideas. Plus the holster actually seems really neat IMO and the tri-rail could be handy. Doubt the optic mount would work but could offer ideas)
Best Airsoft Sidearm? Vz61 Skorpion Customization
2/27/2018 8:49:28 PM EDT
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Can older models use the brace adapter or is only for the newer versions that are pre-tapped?

nevermind; yes they can according to website.
2/27/2018 11:27:19 PM EDT
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Can older models use the brace adapter or is only for the newer versions that are pre-tapped?

nevermind; yes they can according to website.
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You'll need the holes in the rear of the receiver. If it didn't come with them, they'll need to be added.

I think the tri-rail airsoft adapter could work well. I've never measured, but I do have an airsoft vz61 to compare the front trunnion/snout of.

Edit: The optic mount is a no go.  The airsoft rear sight is held on with screws from inside the upper, the real guns have spot welds for the rear sight ear assembly.
2/28/2018 9:14:26 PM EDT
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Damn out of town until Friday night.  Hope they're still in Stock so I can order one then.  Almost wish it didn't have a stock as my ffl is an older guy and not sure if he's up on braces being on pistols.  He's an old leveraction guy.
2/28/2018 11:56:20 PM EDT
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Damn out of town until Friday night.  Hope they're still in Stock so I can order one then.  Almost wish it didn't have a stock as my ffl is an older guy and not sure if he's up on braces being on pistols.  He's an old leveraction guy.
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I ordered mine earlier this evening, $759 and got 300 rounds of various .32 from SGammo
3/1/2018 12:06:15 AM EDT
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That's awesome!

My threaded .22 conversion and threaded .32 upper showed up today.  I'm pretty pumped to go try the .22 with a silencer (maybe tomorrow), but it seems that SilencerCo is still out mining the ore to make the 9mm suppressor adapter I paid for last week...
3/1/2018 10:29:54 AM EDT
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Can you give more detail on the adapter?  Is it just a different thread pattern or is there something special about it?
3/1/2018 11:13:00 AM EDT
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Can you give more detail on the adapter?  Is it just a different thread pattern or is there something special about it?
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The one I referred to for my silencer?  It's just because I have an old SWR Trident-9 and I had to hunt down a 1/2x28 adapter for it.
3/1/2018 11:58:56 AM EDT
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Thanks.  I've got an osprey 45 with the 1/2x28 so I'll be good to go.  I'm surprised to see atlantic has them in Stock but not Czechpoint.
3/1/2018 8:05:32 PM EDT
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Dang, just logged in to buy one and already sold out.  Will have to be watching now.
3/1/2018 8:29:07 PM EDT
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I just bought a threaded one in .32 from Recon ordnance on Gunbroker.
I'm super excited.
3/1/2018 10:10:12 PM EDT
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I like seeing more people buying these things.  It's literally my favorite gun, as odd as that may seem.  Super compact, super fun to shoot, and VERY well designed.

3/2/2018 1:14:19 AM EDT
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I like seeing more people buying these things.  It's literally my favorite gun, as odd as that may seem.  Super compact, super fun to shoot, and VERY well designed.

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What magazine is that?  I've only ever seen the surplus steel ones.
3/2/2018 1:20:18 AM EDT
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What magazine is that?  I've only ever seen the surplus steel ones.
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It's a .22LR magazine
https://www.czechpoint-usa.com/22lr-vz-61-universal-conversion-kit?l=1
3/4/2018 5:43:40 PM EDT
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Got bored.

3/4/2018 9:42:15 PM EDT
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How did you attach the rail?
3/4/2018 11:38:38 PM EDT
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I milled two flats on the underside of the upper after locating parts of the trunion with enough meat to tap into.  Drilled and tapped into the flats M4x0.7 and bolted on a magpaul MOE pic segment that comes with those VFGs. I made a small Al standoff to keep the rail level.

I also blued the barrel (crappy 3rd party barrel), made a new barrel pin and drilled, pressed and pinned the new barrel in.  It was a beat up upper from a gun show and and a barrel from a parts lot on GB.

I kissed the pin ends with a 3/8 ball mill and gave them the red dot the czech guns get at the factory to compete the look.

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3/5/2018 11:24:09 AM EDT
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Has anyone put a lot of round through the 22 kit with threaded barrels? How are the 20rd mags? Thinking of picking one up for my SBR and want to know how well it runs.
3/5/2018 11:47:57 AM EDT
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I milled two flats on the underside of the upper after locating parts of the trunion with enough meat to tap into.  Drilled and tapped into the flats M4x0.7 and bolted on a magpaul MOE pic segment that comes with those VFGs. I made a small Al standoff to keep the rail level.

I also blued the barrel (crappy 3rd party barrel), made a new barrel pin and drilled, pressed and pinned the new barrel in.  It was a beat up upper from a gun show and and a barrel from a parts lot on GB.

I kissed the pin ends with a 3/8 ball mill and gave them the red dot the czech guns get at the factory to compete the look.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/57691/IMG_20180304_223436-472110.JPG

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3/5/2018 4:18:05 PM EDT
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Two things:
Why is the barrel length the length it is?
I'm getting mine threaded, could I also chop 3/8"?

Is this an Allen key for disassembly?

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3/5/2018 5:07:55 PM EDT
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Two things:
Why is the barrel length the length it is?
I'm getting mine threaded, could I also chop 3/8"?

Is this an Allen key for disassembly?

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1.) Do you mean generally with all vz61s? I believe it's just to clear the folding stock by a small margin.

2.) What you are looking at in that hole is the top of a spring-loaded detent.  (See parts 7,8,9 on diagram first page of this thread)

To get it apart, I use the leg of a standard size paper clip (a very tiny punch could work, if you want to be fancy).  You'll want to push the detent down, via that hole, with your paper clip while pulling gently on the pin.  With a bit of jimmying you'll be able to pull the pin out past the detent by a millimeter or so, then remove the paper clip and slide out the pin. You'll get a feel for it with practice.

I highly recommend safety glasses and doing this in an area where you'll be able to find the detent once it launches across your room, because it will.  Maybe not the first time, or second, but eventually it'll rocket away and become a distant *ting* sound somewhere across the room.

Edit: It's extremely similar to the pivot pin detent on an AR, if you're familiar with those.
3/5/2018 5:38:45 PM EDT
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1.) Do you mean generally with all vz61s? I believe it's just to clear the folding stock by a small margin.

2.) What you are looking at in that hole is the top of a spring-loaded detent.  (See parts 7,8,9 on diagram first page of this thread)

To get it apart, I use the leg of a standard size paper clip (a very tiny punch could work, if you want to be fancy).  You'll want to push the detent down, via that hole, with your paper clip while pulling gently on the pin.  With a bit of jimmying you'll be able to pull the pin out past the detent by a millimeter or so, then remove the paper clip and slide out the pin. You'll get a feel for it with practice.

I highly recommend safety glasses and doing this in an area where you'll be able to find the detent once it launches across your room, because it will.  Maybe not the first time, or second, but eventually it'll rocket away and become a distant *ting* sound somewhere across the room.

Edit: It's extremely similar to the pivot pin detent on an AR, if you're familiar with those.
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Got it
Thanks a bunch!
So no harm if I wanted to trim the barrel a tad, say, flush to where the stock would fold forward? I will be SBRing it with the OEM stock
3/5/2018 5:45:51 PM EDT
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I'm not an expert on the blowback physics of force vs. barrel length, etc., but in my old age, I'm inclined to say "leave it alone since it currently works well."  I don't think it would hurt anything, but for such a small difference it may not be worth it.

Two reasons to leave it: You'd no longer be able to use the stock loop as a sort of front grip, and two, it would preclude the use of a factory-style suppressor, but that's all I can think of.
3/6/2018 11:51:13 AM EDT
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Cool thread.. been trying to track down the rate reducer guts for mine..
3/6/2018 12:47:36 PM EDT
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I'm not an expert on the blowback physics of force vs. barrel length, etc., but in my old age, I'm inclined to say "leave it alone since it currently works well."  I don't think it would hurt anything, but for such a small difference it may not be worth it.

Two reasons to leave it: You'd no longer be able to use the stock loop as a sort of front grip, and two, it would preclude the use of a factory-style suppressor, but that's all I can think of.
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Ok thanks
So no cutting, off to get threaded today
3/6/2018 2:12:58 PM EDT
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FYI, Numrich Arms has 20 round (32acp) mags on sale for 14.95 each. Do a search on product # 1291430, when it comes up it will have different price, if you click on
"view product" you will get the screen with the sale price.
3/6/2018 2:58:11 PM EDT
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FYI, Numrich Arms has 20 round (32acp) mags on sale for 14.95 each. Do a search on product # 1291430, when it comes up it will have different price, if you click on
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Nice. That's a decent price.

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3/6/2018 9:14:40 PM EDT
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FYI, Numrich Arms has 20 round (32acp) mags on sale for 14.95 each. Do a search on product # 1291430, when it comes up it will have different price, if you click on
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Nice, ordered 2 and a $7 mag pouch.

I wasn't able to get to my FFL before they closed today I'll have to pick it up in the morning
3/6/2018 10:40:33 PM EDT
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I'm trying to find the cheapest mag pouches for mag storage. I think the lowest I've seen is Robert rtg @ $4.95/ea.

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