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Link Posted: 10/21/2013 3:59:42 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/21/2013 4:02:49 PM EST by N2CH_556]
For a SHTF/HD-worthy lightweight setup, google "Project Featherweight"

ETA: pg 8 of the thread has nice pics of the final Krylon'd version...
Link Posted: 10/21/2013 4:58:41 PM EST
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Originally Posted By JoshAston:


And they're cheaper than Les Baer and Rainier at only $95.
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Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
I tried for months to get a price on 500 aero uppers without FA before giving up and talking to Rainier. Now they come to the party??


And they're cheaper than Les Baer and Rainier at only $95.


Les Bear doesn't stock them.  I tried to order and he told me 6 months minimum.

In hindsight, I wish I had ordered them from him when I talked to them 9 months ago.  


Thanks for the tip on Aero.  Ordered two to see how they are.

Link Posted: 10/21/2013 5:08:48 PM EST

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Originally Posted By N2CH_556:


For a SHTF/HD-worthy lightweight setup, google "Project Featherweight"



ETA: pg 8 of the thread has nice pics of the final Krylon'd version...
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+1 that guy had a nice build, but I would change that old style hand guard to a keymod.

 
Link Posted: 10/21/2013 5:09:03 PM EST
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Originally Posted By JoshAston:


And they're cheaper than Les Baer and Rainier at only $95.
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Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
I tried for months to get a price on 500 aero uppers without FA before giving up and talking to Rainier. Now they come to the party??


And they're cheaper than Les Baer and Rainier at only $95.

The gap closes up a but when you add a port door.
Link Posted: 10/21/2013 6:19:11 PM EST
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Originally Posted By FALARAK:


Les Bear doesn't stock them.  I tried to order and he told me 6 months minimum.

In hindsight, I wish I had ordered them from him when I talked to them 9 months ago.  

Thanks for the tip on Aero.  Ordered two to see how they are.

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Originally Posted By FALARAK:
Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
I tried for months to get a price on 500 aero uppers without FA before giving up and talking to Rainier. Now they come to the party??


And they're cheaper than Les Baer and Rainier at only $95.


Les Bear doesn't stock them.  I tried to order and he told me 6 months minimum.

In hindsight, I wish I had ordered them from him when I talked to them 9 months ago.  

Thanks for the tip on Aero.  Ordered two to see how they are.



Nice to see aero offering those.  I was just about to offer you one of the 2 Rainier's I snagged this last time
Link Posted: 10/21/2013 6:38:14 PM EST
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Originally Posted By PursuitSS:
A few random thoughts:

We ALL need to keep pressure on Mag Tactical to offer their upcoming upper receiver without a forward assist or brass deflector!
We might ask them to branch out into Magnesium Pivot & Takedown pins also Safety Selectors
Mc Master Carr has aluminum hex head cap screws in the correct size for the pistol grip screws (already using them )

And I'll throw this barrel profile out for your thoughts:

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q125/PursuitSS/Postings%20photos/7473b699500b79860f2275ccc4258c51.jpg
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This barrel but 14.5 length does such thing exist or will I have to have a smith turn one down?
Link Posted: 10/21/2013 7:48:58 PM EST
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Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:
+1 that guy had a nice build, but I would change that old style hand guard to a keymod.  
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Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:
Originally Posted By N2CH_556:
For a SHTF/HD-worthy lightweight setup, google "Project Featherweight"

ETA: pg 8 of the thread has nice pics of the final Krylon'd version...
+1 that guy had a nice build, but I would change that old style hand guard to a keymod.  


Really?  Keymod is significantly lighter than an Alpha?  I guess I need to start looking at the Keymod type rails.  Thanks.
Link Posted: 10/21/2013 9:05:55 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Lohe:


This barrel but 14.5 length does such thing exist or will I have to have a smith turn one down?
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Originally Posted By Lohe:
Originally Posted By PursuitSS:
A few random thoughts:

We ALL need to keep pressure on Mag Tactical to offer their upcoming upper receiver without a forward assist or brass deflector!
We might ask them to branch out into Magnesium Pivot & Takedown pins also Safety Selectors
Mc Master Carr has aluminum hex head cap screws in the correct size for the pistol grip screws (already using them )

And I'll throw this barrel profile out for your thoughts:



This barrel but 14.5 length does such thing exist or will I have to have a smith turn one down?


NOT my drawing. To my knowledge such a barrel no longer exists, it is close to the ORIGINAL Armalite AR-15 from the late 50's.

I snagged a Daniel Defense .750 Mid Length so I can have it turned to just how I want it.

Length including permanently mounted muzzle device - 16.1"
Being I'm using the A.R.M.S. 41b folding front sight (not light, but I REALLY like it!) I needed the .750 diameter
Link Posted: 10/21/2013 9:13:19 PM EST
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Originally Posted By themagikbullet:


Nice to see aero offering those.  I was just about to offer you one of the 2 Rainier's I snagged this last time
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Originally Posted By FALARAK:
Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
I tried for months to get a price on 500 aero uppers without FA before giving up and talking to Rainier. Now they come to the party??


And they're cheaper than Les Baer and Rainier at only $95.


Les Bear doesn't stock them.  I tried to order and he told me 6 months minimum.

In hindsight, I wish I had ordered them from him when I talked to them 9 months ago.  

Thanks for the tip on Aero.  Ordered two to see how they are.



Nice to see aero offering those.  I was just about to offer you one of the 2 Rainier's I snagged this last time


Believe me - I'd have taken you up on that.  I have been waiting forever!  :-)   Thx!
Link Posted: 10/21/2013 9:52:48 PM EST
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Originally Posted By alacop:
<a href="http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/alacop/media/105PSA_zpscbea87ee.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b515/alacop/105PSA_zpscbea87ee.jpg</a>




I was thinking the same thing.
Link Posted: 10/21/2013 10:14:28 PM EST
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Originally Posted By FALARAK:



HOW!!!!!!!!

I am on their list.  I have not gotten a single email, for those uppers.


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Originally Posted By FALARAK:
Originally Posted By L119188:
Got some ranier arms goodness today...

<a href="http://s553.photobucket.com/user/rsmcginnes/media/photo-6.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj397/rsmcginnes/photo-6.jpg</a>

Now all I have to do is figure out how to unglue that hand guard. :-/



HOW!!!!!!!!

I am on their list.  I have not gotten a single email, for those uppers.





I got on the list IN JANUARY. They sent me an email and I ordered about 4 microseconds later.
Link Posted: 10/21/2013 11:11:51 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/21/2013 11:14:58 PM EST by Raven4031]
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nvm.
Awesome though.
Link Posted: 10/22/2013 6:06:35 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/22/2013 6:51:30 AM EST by eodinert]
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Originally Posted By 9divdoc:
Yep Josh's rifle... thats pretty much gonna be in 1st place forever

Everybody else is just jockeying around for 2nd place
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It's a cool rifle and all, but first person to come along with Cav lower and a 7 inch barrel is going to be lighter.  Ok, and an empty buffer.  Maybe just a half circle carrier, or a goofy spikes carrier with holes in it.
Link Posted: 10/22/2013 8:36:53 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/22/2013 8:38:46 AM EST by jukeboxx13]


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Originally Posted By N2CH_556:
Really?  Keymod is significantly lighter than an Alpha?  I guess I need to start looking at the Keymod type rails.  Thanks.
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Originally Posted By N2CH_556:





Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:




Originally Posted By N2CH_556:


For a SHTF/HD-worthy lightweight setup, google "Project Featherweight"





ETA: pg 8 of the thread has nice pics of the final Krylon'd version...
+1 that guy had a nice build, but I would change that old style hand guard to a keymod.  






Really?  Keymod is significantly lighter than an Alpha?  I guess I need to start looking at the Keymod type rails.  Thanks.
Yup






The new BCM Keymod will weigh in at 7.5 ounces with barrel nut, and be 12 or 13 inches long, plus you can put heat covers on it as well.

 







The 13" Troy Vtac Alpha weighs 13 ounces, so yea its a big difference for a Lightweight/Featherweight build.







ETA: The Keymods also have stronger loack up, and have stronger picatinny sections as well. I broke my old DD MFR rail section screws which is why I have not gone back to a tube rail until now that the Keymods are out.

 
Link Posted: 10/22/2013 9:11:23 AM EST
I'm interested to see what price the BCM rail comes in at. Another keymod option is MI with the gen 2 SS keymod. I'm sure it is lighter than the troy/vtac also. I am still happy with my alpha rail. Even with one of the small rail sections on it I lost 1oz in comparison to the magpul MOE midlength hand guard, but got 4'' of extra hand guard.
Link Posted: 10/22/2013 10:52:29 AM EST
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Originally Posted By SickMAK90:
I'm interested to see what price the BCM rail comes in at. Another keymod option is MI with the gen 2 SS keymod. I'm sure it is lighter than the troy/vtac also. I am still happy with my alpha rail. Even with one of the small rail sections on it I lost 1oz in comparison to the magpul MOE midlength hand guard, but got 4'' of extra hand guard.
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Here's a guess
10" MAP $254
13" MAP $269
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Originally Posted By 9divdoc:
Here's a guess

10" MAP $254

13" MAP $269

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Originally Posted By 9divdoc:



Originally Posted By SickMAK90:

I'm interested to see what price the BCM rail comes in at. Another keymod option is MI with the gen 2 SS keymod. I'm sure it is lighter than the troy/vtac also. I am still happy with my alpha rail. Even with one of the small rail sections on it I lost 1oz in comparison to the magpul MOE midlength hand guard, but got 4'' of extra hand guard.




Here's a guess

10" MAP $254

13" MAP $269

So about the same price as a NSR then.



I am thinking BCM will charge more up to $385 for the 13".

 
Link Posted: 10/22/2013 1:16:07 PM EST
Those prices allegedly came from TOS & it's owner who has been a BCM distributor for a long time.
Link Posted: 10/22/2013 6:30:29 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Switching to an upper without provision for a forward assist would save about 1.5 ounces.
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i like this idea.  I've read good things about the M&P Sport which sheds this rarely used feature.
Link Posted: 10/23/2013 5:46:22 PM EST
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Originally Posted By FALARAK:


Les Bear doesn't stock them.  I tried to order and he told me 6 months minimum.

In hindsight, I wish I had ordered them from him when I talked to them 9 months ago.  


Thanks for the tip on Aero.  Ordered two to see how they are.

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Originally Posted By FALARAK:
Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
I tried for months to get a price on 500 aero uppers without FA before giving up and talking to Rainier. Now they come to the party??


And they're cheaper than Les Baer and Rainier at only $95.


Les Bear doesn't stock them.  I tried to order and he told me 6 months minimum.

In hindsight, I wish I had ordered them from him when I talked to them 9 months ago.  


Thanks for the tip on Aero.  Ordered two to see how they are.



So I order the two from Aero.... and wouldn't you know it - my backorder from FEBRUARY ships from spikes today.  Now I have 4.  
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 8:52:08 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 12:06:14 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/26/2013 12:06:40 PM EST by eodinert]
What's the worm say?
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 12:19:57 PM EST
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You have a flair for well done AR's.

What buttstock is that?  I bet if you had just a normal ole 6 pos it would maybe hit the 6 lb mark.  Or maybe not.  But it's very nice.
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 1:07:59 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 2:31:09 PM EST
OK, now you got my interest really piqued.  I've been away from the AR Discussion for a while so some of these might seem mundane.  But what mount is that for your optic?  I haven't seen that one yet.  I don't think.  And since that is an LWRC stock, is the upper that too?  I thought they were piston AR's.  Your's looks like a middy.  What barrel is that.  

My guess is it doesn't get much better than what you got there.  Light, probably very accurate, and I would imagine a joy to shoot.
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 4:41:54 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RustedAce:

  Yeah I am one ounce away so I figured close enough.

Its a LWRC compact stock.
http://i42.tinypic.com/mm649i.jpg
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Originally Posted By RustedAce:
Originally Posted By JJREA:
You have a flair for well done AR's.

What buttstock is that?  I bet if you had just a normal ole 6 pos it would maybe hit the 6 lb mark.  Or maybe not.  But it's very nice.

  Yeah I am one ounce away so I figured close enough.

Its a LWRC compact stock.
http://i42.tinypic.com/mm649i.jpg


Heck just take those picatinny rails you aren't using off the snout of the MK4 and you'll be under 6 easily....
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Originally Posted By 9divdoc:


Heck just take those picatinny rails you aren't using off the snout of the MK4 and you'll be under 6 easily....
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Originally Posted By 9divdoc:
Originally Posted By RustedAce:
Originally Posted By JJREA:
You have a flair for well done AR's.

What buttstock is that?  I bet if you had just a normal ole 6 pos it would maybe hit the 6 lb mark.  Or maybe not.  But it's very nice.

  Yeah I am one ounce away so I figured close enough.

Its a LWRC compact stock.
http://i42.tinypic.com/mm649i.jpg


Heck just take those picatinny rails you aren't using off the snout of the MK4 and you'll be under 6 easily....


Dremel to the rescue!
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 10:24:22 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 10:59:18 AM EST
Is the grip the only thing you changed?
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Originally Posted By RustedAce:

  Mount is a Daniel Defense T-1 mount.

Upper was put together by Geissele, it has their MK4 rail, 14.7 mid length barrel with pinned battle comp, and Rainier upper without forward assist.

Cut off an ounce.
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Originally Posted By RustedAce:
Originally Posted By JJREA:
But what mount is that for your optic?  I haven't seen that one yet.  I don't think.  And since that is an LWRC stock, is the upper that too?  I thought they were piston AR's.  Your's looks like a middy.  What barrel is that.  


  Mount is a Daniel Defense T-1 mount.

Upper was put together by Geissele, it has their MK4 rail, 14.7 mid length barrel with pinned battle comp, and Rainier upper without forward assist.

Cut off an ounce.
http://i44.tinypic.com/mr4ugx.jpg


Thank you!  I wonder if there is a lighter mount for the t-1.  I thought I saw one that had like cut outs in the sides.   Shed another .5 ounces maybe.    LOL.
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Originally Posted By 9divdoc:
Now put the bolt carrier group back in and weigh it ....
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+1. This is exactly what I keep thinking when I see all these pics in this thread!
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 4:01:04 PM EST
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Originally Posted By xachary82:


is that the point and shoot model or the shoot from hip model, because the lack of sights defines it as such,
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is that the point and shoot model or the shoot from hip model, because the lack of sights defines it as such,


It's the no barrel installed under the handguard model.
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 4:04:37 PM EST
I was hoping this thread would be less chatter and more pix of rifles (whole rifles in the pic, not close ups where the stock and barrel could be missing), showing an open port with visable bolt held open, and on a scale (although I guess trust in properly zeroing the scale would just have to be as is...).
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 4:18:38 PM EST
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Originally Posted By eodinert:
We need classes, like fighters.  NFA and non-NFA.  Otherwise, its a race to see who has the shortest barrel.
I say the rifle has to fire 1,000 verified rounds without blowing up to be 'king'
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+1
Link Posted: 10/30/2013 9:33:24 AM EST
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That's a really good looking rifle. That lower is nice. I like lightweight but I still want it to function how I want. I'm in the middle of putting a "budget" LW build together. I'm trying to wait on the BCM rail but getting impatient. I'm hoping for 5 lbs but 5.5 is probably more likely with my budget. I'm trying to use up some parts I already have lying around like a CAR stock, flat top upper and plug the FA, DD LW barrel with lpgb, and a 9" troy alpha. I'm planning on taking some weight out of the stock and maybe BCG. A Clark carbon fiber hg should save a few ounces over the troy. Trying to do it without coming off the money for a LMOS. We'll see. It will be fun no matter what.

Oh yeah, how much lighter is the K grip than a umbrella? I had the K before and it's light but a little small. I haven't tried the umbrella, but it looks promising. I'll compromise for ergos.
Link Posted: 11/1/2013 2:29:26 AM EST
because it's not normal--1st engraver botched the job on the magwell so I had to have it placed in an alternate location by a second outfit

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/6147045/photo%20(5).JPG
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Flat top upper without forward assist.
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Flat top upper without forward assist.
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Originally Posted By Whhood:
flat top upper and plug the FA,



Flat top upper without forward assist.


Yeah I was trying to use parts that I already have. I'll probably end up with a slick side in the end.
Link Posted: 11/1/2013 1:11:28 PM EST
Here is the start of my lightweight build. I would like to use the Noveske lower if possible but Ill probably have to go with the Mega. Still waiting on some parts but my target weight is right at 6 lbs.
And for anyone interested, MidwayUSA has the JP LMOS bolt carrier for $209 and if you use the coupon code "GOY2013" you get $20 off an order of $200. So the carrier came out to $189 for me before shipping.

Link Posted: 11/1/2013 4:15:46 PM EST
I don't keep up with all the latest stuff, so...  I've never seen a BCG like that.  Weird.  Less contact surface?  Or is it just for weight savings?

Anyways...  that looks like a nice build.  

How much more does a CTR weigh over a regular 6 pos?  Just curious if anyone knows.  I'm thinking about getting one, the MOE type.
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Originally Posted By JJREA:
I don't keep up with all the latest stuff, so...  I've never seen a BCG like that.  Weird.  Less contact surface?  Or is it just for weight savings?

Anyways...  that looks like a nice build.  

How much more does a CTR weigh over a regular 6 pos?  Just curious if anyone knows.  I'm thinking about getting one, the MOE type.
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That is a J.P. Enterprises LMOS Carrier, 6.2 ounces.
Link Posted: 11/2/2013 2:16:40 AM EST
I like the Jp lmos I have it in my 3gun rifle but isn't the Young Mfg National Match LITE Bolt Carrier Group
Lighter I can't find the weight specs on the ymnmlt
Link Posted: 11/2/2013 7:29:00 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Lohe:
I like the Jp lmos I have it in my 3gun rifle but isn't the Young Mfg National Match LITE Bolt Carrier Group
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I can't remember the weight, but no its not lighter.

Of the CURRENTLY manufactured carriers, the J.P. LMOS is the lightest.
Link Posted: 11/7/2013 2:43:46 PM EST
5 pounds 14 ounces.



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5 pounds 14 ounces.
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What barrel are you using?
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What barrel are you using?
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Originally Posted By Jon_Moy:
5 pounds 14 ounces.


What barrel are you using?


14.5 BCM lightweight mid-lengh barrel wil pin and welded PWS FSC556.
Link Posted: 11/7/2013 3:59:24 PM EST
Tag - I need to get photos of mine up here.  All mine have steel BGGs, though, so I won't be breaking any records . . .
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Originally Posted By PursuitSS:


I can't remember the weight, but no its not lighter.

Of the CURRENTLY manufactured carriers, the J.P. LMOS is the lightest.
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Originally Posted By PursuitSS:
Originally Posted By Lohe:
I like the Jp lmos I have it in my 3gun rifle but isn't the Young Mfg National Match LITE Bolt Carrier Group
Lighter I can't find the weight specs on the ymnmlt


I can't remember the weight, but no its not lighter.

Of the CURRENTLY manufactured carriers, the J.P. LMOS is the lightest.



So I started a thread of weight on BCGs if you guys have some info please chime in

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/628130_Lightest_BCG_also_what_ones_are_full_auto_rated_.html
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14.5 BCM lightweight mid-lengh barrel wil pin and welded PWS FSC556.
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Originally Posted By Bretshooter:
Originally Posted By Jon_Moy:
5 pounds 14 ounces.


What barrel are you using?


14.5 BCM lightweight mid-lengh barrel wil pin and welded PWS FSC556.


Do you know the weight of the barrel? I cant seem to find that number anywhere.
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