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Posted: 5/1/2016 12:50:51 PM EDT
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Reproducibility
The hallmark of a sound test methodology, in this case my AR-15 bench-rest methodology, is being able to repeat a test and arrive at the same conclusion. As a demonstration of this, I conducted two accuracy evaluations of the most accurate lot of IMI M193 that I've come across, from my bench-rest set-up using a semi-automatic AR-15. 
I conducted an accuracy (technically, precision) evaluation of the IMI M193 ammunition following my usual protocol. This accuracy evaluation used statistically significant shot-group sizes and every single shot in a fired group was included in the measurements. There was absolutely no use of any group reduction techniques (e.g. fliers, target movement, butterfly Shots). The shooting set-up will be described in detail below. As many of the significant variables as was practicable were controlled for. Also, a control group was fired from the test-rifle used in the evaluation using match-grade, hand-loaded ammunition; in order to demonstrate the capability of the barrel. Pictures of shot-groups are posted for documentation. All shooting was conducted from a concrete bench-rest at a distance of 100 yards (confirmed with a laser rangefinder.) The barrel used in the evaluation was free-floated. The free-float handguards of the rifle rested in a Sinclair Windage Benchrest (with the aide of a forend bench-rest adapter), while the stock of the rifle rested in a Protektor bunny-ear rear bag. Sighting was accomplished via a Leupold VARI-X III set at 25X magnification and adjusted to be parallax-free at 100 yards. A mirage shade was attached to the objective-bell of the scope. Wind conditions on the shooting range were continuously monitored using a Wind Probe. The set-up was very similar to that pictured below. 
The Wind Probe. 
The test vehicle for this evaluation was one of my semi-automatic precision AR-15s with a 20” stainless-steel Lothar Walther barrel. The barrel has a 223 Wylde chamber with a 1:8” twist. 
Prior to firing the IMI M193 ammunition, I fired a 10-shot control group using a hand-load topped with the Sierra 55 grain BlitzKing. That group had an extreme spread of 0.83”. 
Four 10-shot groups of the IMI M193 ammunition were fired in a row with the resulting extreme spreads: 2.73” 1.76” 1.74” 2.03” for a 10-shot group average extreme spread of 2.07”. The four 10-shot groups were over-layed on each other using RSI Shooting Lab to form a 40-shot composite group. The mean radius for the 40-shot composite group was 0.62”. Next, I repeated the test just as described above. These four 10-shot groups fired in a row produced extreme spreads of: 2.64” 1.25” 2.43” 2.00” for a 10-shot group average extreme spread of 2.08”. These four 10-shot groups were over-layed on each other using RSI Shooting Lab to form a 40-shot composite group. The mean radius for this 40-shot composite group was 0.66”. I over-layed all eight of the 10-shot groups on each other using RSI Shooting Lab to form an 80-shot composite group. The 80-shot composite group had a mean radius of 0.64” The 80-shot composite group . . . 
The smallest 10-shot group . . . 
….. The second demonstration of the reproducibility of my AR-15 bench-rest methodology involves the accuracy evaluation of a 16” Noveske N4 barrel. 
The Noveske 16” N4 Light barrel is a cold hammer forged barrel. It has a mid-length gas system, “M4” feed-ramps and a chrome-lined chamber and bore. The barrel has a 5.56mm NATO chamber and a 1:7” twist and has been high-pressure/magnetic particle tested; as the barrel stamp indicates. Contrary to erroneous Internet reports, the N4 barrel does not have polygonal rifling. 
The accuracy (technically precision) of this Noveske barrel was conducted using my AR-15 bench-rest methodology just as described for the previous demonstration. For this evaluation, I used one of my standard match-grade hand-loads topped with Sierra 55 grain BlitzKings. When fired from my Krieger barreled AR-15s, this load has produced ½ MOA 10-shot groups at 100 yards. 
Three, 10-shot groups were fired in a row from the Noveske 16” N4 Light barrel from a distance of 100 yards with the resulting extreme spreads: 1.29” 1.18” 1.31” for a 10-shot group average extreme spread of 1.26”. The three, 10-shot groups were over-layed on each other using RSI Shooting Lab to form a 30-shot composite group. The mean radius of the 30-shot composite group was 0.37”. After firing the above three groups, I fired an additional five, 10-shot groups in a row for a total of eight, 10-shot groups fired in a row. The average extreme spread for all eight of the 10-shot groups was 1.24”. I over-layed all eight of the 10-shot groups on each other using RSI Shooting Lab to form an 80-shot composite group. The mean radius for the 80-shot composite group was 0.39”. That the mean radius of the 30-shot composite group formed from the first three consecutively fired 10-shot groups only varies by 2/100ths of an inch from the mean radius of the 80-shot composite group strongly reinforces the reproducibility of my AR-15 bench-rest methodology. The smallest 10-shot group . . . 
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Molon what is considered a good group? So say shooting ball ammo like the imi is 2inchs good? When does good become average and average become bad?
I know we need to consider type of rifle and type of ammo being used but if that same ammo out of a bcm or colt basic m4gery was grouping 3-4 inches would that be considered bad? Hypothetically speaking |
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Is that primer sealer that dried out? What is that Looks like tumbling media to me. I was thinking dirt but tumbling media, could be. |
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Molon what is considered a good group? So say shooting ball ammo like the imi is 2inchs good? When does good become average and average become bad? I know we need to consider type of rifle and type of ammo being used but if that same ammo out of a bcm or colt basic m4gery was grouping 3-4 inches would that be considered bad? Hypothetically speaking With m193, that would be "normal". And would pretty much mean u r shooting to the ammo's potential in most cases. But obviously there are some loads that do better than typical. Wolf Gold has a reputation for more like 2 moa is possible. Molon has more than a few threads on all of this. Take a look through his threads. I think his are tacked. Maybe they're not. They should be. |
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Molon--this is your typical, outstanding professional-grade work. You never cease to amaze me with your thorough analyses.
May I ask--are you a scientist, engineer, statistician? How the heck are you so thorough & consistent? Are you Data from Star Trek, thr Next Generation, or Vulcan? 
Thank you again for more info. |
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Molon--this is your typical, outstanding professional-grade work. You never cease to amaze me with your thorough analyses. May I ask--are you a scientist, engineer, statistician? How the heck are you so thorough & consistent? Are you Data from Star Trek, thr Next Generation, or Vulcan?
Thank you again for more info. Ahhhhh...the $64,000.00 question. Good luck..anonymity is how he stays unbiased in any way, shape, or form. Maybe we'll get lucky...but I highly doubt it. I will henceforth title it "The Molon Mystique". Not to be confused with "The Molon Effect". That's a whole nother ball of wax altogether. Put it this way...when he reviews new ammo you'd be wise to buy some immediately...ask me how I know. LOL 176 boxes........gone....poof. YOU MAGNIFICENT BASTARD 
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| I need to try some better ammo. I bought my first scope (Leupold Mark AR MOD-1 3-9x40 w/ Firedot TMR) and took it to the range on Saturday. Out of a 16" DD CL free floated bbl, I was only getting ~4-5 MOA @ 100yds. I was using Lake City XM193 though. I have heard that my bbl is capable of better so I need to try some factory match ammo. I was thinking of Federal GMM 69gr. I am sure I also need to practice shooting with magnified optics a little more also. I was shooting ~1.75 MOA @ 50yds with my 11.5" SBR (same bbl) with a Comp M4s using LC XM855. All in all I really enjoyed shooting with the Leupold though. It was a lot of fun. Any other recommendations based on your experience on other ammo to try? Thanks for all your threads OP, very informative!!! |
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I need to try some better ammo. I bought my first scope (Leupold Mark AR MOD-1 3-9x40 w/ Firedot TMR) and took it to the range on Saturday. Out of a 16" DD CL free floated bbl, I was only getting ~4-5 MOA @ 100yds. I was using Lake City XM193 though. I have heard that my bbl is capable of better so I need to try some factory match ammo. I was thinking of Federal GMM 69gr. I am sure I also need to practice shooting with magnified optics a little more also. I was shooting ~1.75 MOA @ 50yds with my 11.5" SBR (same bbl) with a Comp M4s using LC XM855. All in all I really enjoyed shooting with the Leupold though. It was a lot of fun. Any other recommendations based on your experience on other ammo to try? Thanks for all your threads OP, very informative!!! Federal 223 Remington 69 grain Gold Medal Match Ammunition 
In their 1984 catalog, Sierra Bullets introduced the .22 caliber (0.224”) 69 grain MatchKing HPBT (hollow point boat tail) bullet (#1380). The 69 grain MatchKing was “developed as a target bullet for testing by military teams in the new M16A2 rifle”1 and the bullet became a popular choice for shooters using the AR-15 in High Power Rifle Competition. 
While the US military had experimented with “heavy” FMJ (full metal jacket) bullets for the 5.56mm cartridge as far back as the mid-1960s, (the Colt/Federal 5.56mm 68 grain FMJ) the .22 caliber 69 grain MatchKing was the first heavy OTM (open-tip match) bullet that was available to the general public as a reloading component for 223 Remington/5.56mm cartridges. (Hornady’s 68 grain OTM bullet (#2278) wasn’t introduced until approximately two years later.) 
In their 1989 ammunition catalog, the Federal Cartridge Company debuted an addition to its “Match” line-up of factory loaded rifle ammunition; a 223 Remington load topped with none other than the Sierra 69 grain MatchKing (223M). In their 1992 catalog, Federal expanded the nomenclature for this load to “Premium Match” (P223M) and in their 1993 catalog it became “Gold Medal Match” (GM223M) as part of a marketing campaign capitalizing on the USA Shooting Team’s success in the Barcelona Olympics using Federal ammunition. It’s interesting to note that pertaining to the accuracy/precision development and multifaceted testing of the Federal ammunition that helped the US Olympians win gold and silver medals in Barcelona, Federal’s Director of Product Engineering, Dave Longren, had this to say: “The standard test string was three 10-shot groups, with the most attention paid to the 30-shot composite. When you’re working at this level, the traditional five 5-shot group test simply doesn’t give you statistically valid results.”2 
The 69 grain Sierra MatchKings loaded in the lot of Federal Gold Medal Match ammunition that I evaluated for this article had a nominal length of 0.890”. The nominal cartridge OAL of this load was 2.248”. Through some simple testing, I determined that the 69 grain MatchKing has a specific gravity of approximately 10.2. According to Ballistic Performance of Rifle Bullets by Bryan Litz, the 69 grain MatchKing has an average G1 ballistic coefficient of 0.330 and an average G7 ballistic coefficient of 0.169. The same source states that the “recommended twist for optimal performance” of the 69 grain MatchKing “is 1:9.5” or faster.” The 69 grain MatchKings that top the Federal Gold Medal Match ammunition are loaded in Federal brass. The head stamp for this lot reads “FC 13 223 REM”. The rounds are primed with Federal Gold Medal Small Rifle Match Primers (GM205M). The primer pockets are crimped and sealed with a blue lacquer sealant. 
The case-mouths of this lot of Federal 69 grain Gold Medal Match ammunition are sealed with asphalt sealant. The case-mouths have a slight taper-crimp which produces a shallow circumferential crease in the bearing surface of the 69 grain MatchKings. The pic below shows a pulled bullet on the right (the crease in the bullet indicated by the red arrow) next to a virgin 69 grain MatchKing on the left. 
This lot of ammunition is charged with a “ball powder” (though I have seen lots in the past that were charged with a short-cut extruded powder.) The squares in the red grid pictured below are 1/10th of an inch. 
Velocity When it was first introduced, Federal advertised the muzzle velocity of the 69 grain Gold Medal Match ammunition as 3000 FPS. More recent advertising lists the muzzle velocity at 2950 FPS. These figures are from 24” barrels. 
I chronographed the Federal 69 grain Gold Medal Match ammunition from a semi-automatic AR-15 with a chrome-lined, NATO chambered 20” Colt M16A2 barrel with a 1:7” twist. 
Chronographing was conducted using an Oehler 35-P chronograph with “proof screen” technology. The Oehler 35P chronograph is actually two chronographs in one package that takes two separate chronograph readings for each shot and then utilizes its onboard computer to analyze the data to determine if there is any statistically significant difference between the two readings. If there is a statistically significant difference in the readings, the chronograph “flags” the shot to let you know that the data is invalid. There was no invalid data flagged during this testing. The velocities stated below are the muzzle velocities as calculated from the instrumental velocities using Oehler’s Ballistic Explorer software program. The strings of fire consisted of 10 rounds over the chronograph. 
Each round was single-loaded and cycled into the chamber from a magazine fitted with a single-load follower. The bolt locked-back after each shot allowing the chamber to cool in between each shot. This technique was used to mitigate the possible influence of “chamber-soak” on velocity data. Each new shot was fired in a consistent manner after hitting the bolt release. Atmospheric conditions were monitored and recorded using a Kestrel 4000 Pocket Weather Tracker. 
Atmospheric conditions Temperature: 70 degrees F Humidity: 76% Barometric pressure: 30.14 inches of Hg Elevation: 950 feet above sea level The muzzle velocity for the 10-shot string of the Federal 69 grain Gold Medal Match ammunition fired from the 20” Colt barrel was 2732 FPS with a standard deviation of 16 FPS and a coefficient of variation of 0.59%. For those of you who might not be familiar with the coefficient of variation (CV), it is the standard deviation, divided by the mean (average) muzzle velocity and then multiplied by 100 and expressed as a percentage. It allows for the comparison of the uniformity of velocity between loads in different velocity spectrums; e.g. 77 grain loads running around 2,650 fps compared to 55 grain loads running around 3,250 fps. For comparison, the mil-spec for M193 allows for a coefficient of variation of approximately 1.2%, while one of my best 77 grain OTM hand-loads, with a muzzle velocity of 2639 PFS and a standard deviation of 4 FPS, has a coefficient of variation of 0.15%. 
Over the last decade I’ve chronographed several other lots of the Federal 69 grain Gold Medal Match ammunition from a variety of barrels. The muzzle velocities of those lots are shown in the table below. 
Accuracy I conducted an accuracy (technically, precision) evaluation of the Federal 69 grain Gold Medal Match ammunition following my usual protocol. This accuracy evaluation used statistically significant shot-group sizes and every single shot in a fired group was included in the measurements. There was absolutely no use of any group-reduction techniques (e.g. fliers, target movement, Butterfly Shots). The shooting set-up will be described in detail below. As many of the significant variables as was practicable were controlled for. Also, a control group was fired from the test-rifle used in the evaluation using match-grade, hand-loaded ammunition; in order to demonstrate the capability of the barrel. Pictures of shot-groups are posted for documentation. All shooting was conducted from a concrete bench-rest from a distance of 100 yards (confirmed with a laser rangefinder.) The barrel used in the evaluation was free-floated. The free-float handguards of the rifle rested in a Sinclair Windage Benchrest, while the stock of the rifle rested in a Protektor bunny-ear rear bag. Sighting was accomplished via a Leupold Competition Series 45x45mm scope adjusted to be parallax-free at 100 yards. A mirage shield was attached to the objective-bell of the scope. Wind conditions on the shooting range were continuously monitored using a Wind Probe. The set-up was very similar to that pictured below. 
The Wind Probe. 
The test vehicle for this accuracy evaluation was one of my semi-automatic precision AR-15s with a 24” Krieger barrel. The barrel has a 5.56mm Match chamber with a 1:7.7” twist. Prior to firing the 69 grain Gold Medal Match ammunition, I fired a 10-shot control group using match-grade hand-loads topped with the Barnes 85 grain Match Burner. That group had an extreme spread of 0.56”. 
Three 10-shot groups of the 69 grain Gold Medal Match ammunition were fired in a row with the resulting extreme spreads: 0.67” 0.73” 0.67” for a 10-shot group average extreme spread of 0.69”. The three 10-shot groups were over-layed on each other using RSI Shooting Lab to form a 30-shot composite group. The mean radius for the 30-shot composite group was 0.24”. The smallest 10-shot group . . . 
The 30-shot composite group . . . 
Terminal Ballistics 
Terminal ballistic testing of the 69 grain MatchKing loaded in the form of Federal’s 223M ammunition has been conducted by Dr. G.K. Roberts with the results of that testing published in Wound Ballistics Review, Volume 3, Number 4. Fired from a Colt AR-15A2 carbine with a 16” barrel, the average penetration of the 69 grain MatchKing in 10% bare ordnance gelatin was 14.7”. The average recovered diameter was 0.40” and the average percentage of fragmentation was 60.2%. ….. 1. Technical Staff. “Sierra .22 Cal. 69-gr. MatchKing.” American Rifleman Jan. 1984: 60-61. Print. 2. Hunnicutt, Robert. “Ammo Good as Gold.” American Rifleman Nov. 1992: 32-33, 72-73. Print. .... |
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Molon I love reading your work on here. What is that one piece mount in this picture? https://app.box.com/shared/static/xo4duzdgtp.jpg A.R.M.S. (It's an old picture.) ... |
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The hallmark of a sound test methodology is being able to repeat a test and arrive at the same conclusion. As a demonstration of this, I conducted two accuracy evaluations of the most accurate lot of IMI M193 that I've come across, from my bench-rest set-up using a semi-automatic AR-15. https://app.box.com/shared/static/fmh65eyylzwm1pcn7ysanc2qe8bxbs3u.jpg Question. What is your "test methodology"? Is it to shoot 10 round groups? Or is it 40 round groups? The reason I ask is you seem set on 10 round groups in the past. This test is terrible if 10 round groups are the test. The change in group size between each 10 round group shot successively, as indicated in the test, is: -36%, -1%, 17%, 30%, -53%, 94%, -18%. It looks like two different types or lots of ammo were shot. Sure enough the photographic evidence provided in this well documented post shows two different lots of one type of ammo and a third box of completely different ammo. Is the photograph relevant, or was some other box of ammo shot? On the other hand, if 40 round groups are required for proper testing then the second repetition of the test is similar. Do we now need to shoot 40 rounds of ammo, or just 10? |
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I need to try some better ammo. I bought my first scope (Leupold Mark AR MOD-1 3-9x40 w/ Firedot TMR) and took it to the range on Saturday. Out of a 16" DD CL free floated bbl, I was only getting ~4-5 MOA @ 100yds. I was using Lake City XM193 though. I have heard that my bbl is capable of better so I need to try some factory match ammo. I was thinking of Federal GMM 69gr. I am sure I also need to practice shooting with magnified optics a little more also. I was shooting ~1.75 MOA @ 50yds with my 11.5" SBR (same bbl) with a Comp M4s using LC XM855. All in all I really enjoyed shooting with the Leupold though. It was a lot of fun. Any other recommendations based on your experience on other ammo to try? Thanks for all your threads OP, very informative!!! Go to sgammo.com and get some of the ADI 69gr SMKs. It's a super good load that is not terribly expensive. |
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Go to sgammo.com and get some of the ADI 69gr SMKs. It's a super good load that is not terribly expensive. How do you like the ADI load compared to the Federal GMM load? ... I haven't shot enough of the GMM to really have a legitimate opinion, but I do like that the ADI is about half the cost. I only ran a few boxes of the 69gr GMM through my 20" LaRue Stealth and I was able to get righ under 1MOA with it. But I'm not all that great of a shot. |
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