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Posted: 12/5/2016 3:13:02 AM EDT
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Hey guys, I just wanted to ask a question to those of you who are more knowledgeable about this process.
I'm currently 19 years old and just recently bought my first AR15. I learned pretty quick how expensive this hobby is. Dropped around $3k for the end product, which is also about $3k more than I should have. 
That being said, I'm pretty hooked. I did some research before purchasing my DDM4V11 Pro regarding how I could build my own. I got all the parts figured out, and lo and behold, I figured out you have to be 21 or older to purchase a stripped lower or a pistol length barrel. My question to you gurus is; Is there any way around this while staying within the law? Would I be able to have either of my parents buy the parts and put it together and go through a transfer process so that I can take full ownership of the build? Thanks in advance guys, I hope you can help me out! |
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As I understand it, you can't buy any type of lower from a dealer - stripped or complete - unless you're 21 because they're listed on the form 4473 as "other".
You might be able to buy one FTF from an individual in a private sale, but it's dependent on your state's laws (not familiar with Texas law). You're also able to receive one as a gift from an immediate family member. If your dealer has an Type 07 or 10 FFL (manufacturing), they can build it for you and transfer you a complete rifle. I understand that this suggestion is counter to your stated desire (building it yourself), and will cost a lot more. Just posting this to cover all bases. |
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I figured out you have to be 21 or older to purchase a stripped lower or a pistol length barrel. I don't know if that's everywhere but I've bought 2 pistol length barrels online without anyone ever checking for my age. Granted I'm 25 but when I was 18 I also bought handgun ammo online without being checked so you might not have an issue as far as the barrel goes but as others have stated, if your parents don't have a problem with it, you purchase the parts financially, they gift it to you, then you should be good, just double check Texas state law on that |
| From what I have been told by a local FFL that I have used for many years, you can buy a complete lower assembly with a stock installed. Having the stock installed categorizes it as a rifle and is recorded as such on the 4473. This means that as long as you are 18 years of age or older, you can legally purchase a complete lower assembly with a buttstock installed. The caveat is that this cannot be converted to a pistol lower if that is the intention. A stripped lower receiver or one with a pistol buffer tube installed would require the individual to be at least 21 years of age. I would suggest checking with a local gun shop (LGS) to see how they view this issue. Some may not be as knowledgeable as others. |
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From what I have been told by a local FFL that I have used for many years, you can buy a complete lower assembly with a stock installed. Having the stock installed categorizes it as a rifle and is recorded as such on the 4473. This means that as long as you are 18 years of age or older, you can legally purchase a complete lower assembly with a buttstock installed. The caveat is that this cannot be converted to a pistol lower if that is the intention. A stripped lower receiver or one with a pistol buffer tube installed would require the individual to be at least 21 years of age. I would suggest checking with a local gun shop (LGS) to see how they view this issue. Some may not be as knowledgeable as others. I believe this is incorrect. It doesn't matter if it has a stock on it or not. It's still categorized as "other" and is not legally a rifle or shotgun. Only firearms categorized as rifles and shotguns can be sold to individuals between 18-21 yoa. |
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So the DDM4V11 pro is a sweet rifle, but retail for $1500-1700. You stated the build cost you around 3k total. I'm curious to where the other ~1500 bux went toward. I have a regular v11 and have been eyeballing a v11 pro for awhile now. I got myself a Vortex Viper PST 2.5-10x FFP scope which was a pretty penny. Also, things like Atlas bipods, scope mounts, rail adapters, and back up sights really do add up. I'll post up a picture when I get home. |
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From what I have been told by a local FFL that I have used for many years, you can buy a complete lower assembly with a stock installed. Having the stock installed categorizes it as a rifle and is recorded as such on the 4473. This means that as long as you are 18 years of age or older, you can legally purchase a complete lower assembly with a buttstock installed. The caveat is that this cannot be converted to a pistol lower if that is the intention. A stripped lower receiver or one with a pistol buffer tube installed would require the individual to be at least 21 years of age. I would suggest checking with a local gun shop (LGS) to see how they view this issue. Some may not be as knowledgeable as others. This is incorrect. Please instruct your FFL to re-read the instructions for question 18 on the 4473. It can only be transfered as a "handgun", "rifle", or "shotgun" if it meets the definition of one of those, and all of those under federal law include verbage that describes the presence of a barrel, which obviously a lower, complete or stripped, lacks. All lowers, complete or stripped, transfer as "other", and as they are not "rifles" or "shotguns", cannot be transferred to anyone under 21 years old. |
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I got myself a Vortex Viper PST 2.5-10x FFP scope which was a pretty penny. Also, things like Atlas bipods, scope mounts, rail adapters, and back up sights really do add up. I'll post up a picture when I get home. Damn I'm jealous. I want the Vortex Viper. I'm getting a Strike Eagle for now. Pics please |
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Passed out super early after work last night. I'll take some pictures at lunch.
So after doing a little bit more research yesterday, I realized what I was wanting to build was actually an SBR(EDIT). Which, of course, has to be registered through the ATF and it's BS turnaround times. My new question is if I could buy DD's MK18 Pistol variant (No stock) and at a later time, buy a stock for it and register it with the ATF. I'm not entirely sure on the whole process, but it looks like registering it through a trust is the way to go. If I were to buy the pistol variant and the stock, would I be able to continue shooting the pistol without a stock until the registration is finished and cleared? Sorry for the jumble of questions. In the meantime, I'll be trying to figure it out on my own. |
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You mean SBR (short barreled rifle), and SPR is something else entirely.
You can buy an AR pistol now and use it as a pistol, then at a later date go through the NFA process and register it as an SBR and add a stock. I would recommend not buying the stock until then but technically it is legal to have the stock so long as you have some other legal use for it, such as if you own another AR rifle (barrel 16" or more) to use it on. |
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You mean SBR (short barreled rifle), and SPR is something else entirely. You can buy an AR pistol now and use it as a pistol, then at a later date go through the NFA process and register it as an SBR and add a stock. I would recommend not buying the stock until then but technically it is legal to have the stock so long as you have some other legal use for it, such as if you own another AR rifle (barrel 16" or more) to use it on. SBR is what I meant, sorry about the confusion. |
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http://i65.tinypic.com/x2oxg5.jpg
There's a quick picture of the V11 Pro. Nothin' too special, but she's my only one... For now. |
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http://i65.tinypic.com/x2oxg5.jpg There's a quick picture of the V11 Pro. Nothin' too special, but she's my only one... For now. Man... She's sexy. Love the Viper on it. I know what I'm buying for my next rifle. 
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From what I have been told by a local FFL that I have used for many years, you can buy a complete lower assembly with a stock installed. Having the stock installed categorizes it as a rifle and is recorded as such on the 4473. This means that as long as you are 18 years of age or older, you can legally purchase a complete lower assembly with a buttstock installed. The caveat is that this cannot be converted to a pistol lower if that is the intention. A stripped lower receiver or one with a pistol buffer tube installed would require the individual to be at least 21 years of age. I would suggest checking with a local gun shop (LGS) to see how they view this issue. Some may not be as knowledgeable as others. IIRC one of the reasons Cav Arms lost their FFL was because they assumed the same and sold a lower to an out of state buyer directly rather than transferring it to an FFL in their home state. For those not familiar with the Cav15 lower, the stock, pistol grip and buffer extension are integrated into the lower. |
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