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5/17/2005 6:55:06 AM EDT
I recently got re-married to a gal woman (well, she is 13 years younger than I am) with 2 small kids. I now find myself needing a long-gun quick-access system for my bedroom AR. I currently use a GunVault with finger-groove detent pushbuttons (for use in total darkness) to house my Glock 22 w/ tac light. It is plenty quick enough and is mounted to my bed frame for convenience. My problem is with my home defense AR (and perhaps my shotgun - but that currently lives in the walk-in closet).

I'm looking for a between-the-studs wall safe with pushbuttons, but I understand there are also surface mount locking brackets the give you quick access. That would work too.

Any personal experiences with, or sourcing for, these items would be greatly appreciated.
5/17/2005 7:17:24 AM EDT
[#1]
This is what I've come across so far. It gives me lockup for both long-guns.

V-Line Closet Vault
5/17/2005 11:09:47 AM EDT
[#2]
I guess there aren't as many ARFCOMers as I thought using their carbines for home defense. Or, it could be that, like me before I got re-married, no one has child safety issues. That's probably why there aren't more products for this.

Oh well.
5/17/2005 11:13:26 AM EDT
[#3]

Quoted:
I guess there aren't as many ARFCOMers as I thought using their carbines for home defense. Or, it could be that, like me before I got re-married, no one has child safety issues. That's probably why there aren't more products for this.
Oh well.




Im in that boat.... If I am in the house the safe is open at all times, I lock it everytime I leave.  I love not having kids.
5/17/2005 12:44:59 PM EDT
[#4]
That is probably the case with many here. But, I already own a monster-sized (well, 1,200+ lbs. anyway) traditional gun safe. It lives in a corner of the basement - bolted to the concrete floor. That's where my pampered toys stay nice and safe.

What I need is a 'toolbox' for the not so pampered defense equipment. A unit with close-at-hand quickness with a minimal amount of safety. It just needs to be kid-proof.
5/17/2005 2:15:23 PM EDT
[#5]
There has been a lot of discussion here about home defense with an AR, without any real resolution or overall consensus.  I think that there's more risk of overpenetration with even a 55gr round out of an AR, (someone should post the "Box Of Truth" pages here-I don't have them) so I haven't even considered it.

One thing you SHOULD consider is now that you have a family, you probably need to change your quick reaction plan for a breakin.  It would be very satisfying to blast the bad guy in your living room and let the insurance pay for the carpet and fixing the sheetrock, but with two small children, you should consider changing to a defensive withdrawal plan: grab wife and kids-along with the Glock and a phone-and get out fast, covering their withdrawal, then call 911 from a secure location.  

This goes along with your fire evacuation plan-you NEED to train the kids on getting out in a fire anyway, so you just use the same plan.  I'd modify it to add that if there's someone in the house you don't necessarily go thorugh the front yard to the first neighbor's house; over the back fence and to that neighbor's house may be more appropriate depending on the situation.
5/17/2005 3:56:14 PM EDT
[#6]
Here it is www.theboxotruth.com/
5/17/2005 4:02:09 PM EDT
[#7]
I've seen an article in a recent (witin last 3 issues) of the American Rifleman magazine concerning vaults that look like giant roll out drawers which fit into the back of trucks and SUV's to store rifles.  Maybe you can get one of these for under your bed.  The link is here as follows www.truckvault.com/
5/17/2005 4:09:23 PM EDT
[#8]
Send the little basterds to foster care.
5/18/2005 5:11:50 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
Send the little basterds to foster care.

Now, see, I thought that was funny, but my wife was less amused. Go figure.

Anyway. Yes, I have had to re-evaluate my home defense situation. I recently had a BITN (Bump In The Night) situation at about 3:30am. I grabbed the Glock, as normal. But when I got into the hallway, I realized the kids' bedrooms were down the hall and the best place for me (since I hadn't woken up my wife) was at the top of the stairs, crouched down, halfway behind a wall. This put me between the bedrooms but, most importantly, between the intruder and my family.

I sat there with a good view of most of my living room and full view of the stairs until someone started sneaking up the stairway. With my finger off of the trigger to operate the M3LED, I illuminated . . . my 17 year old son (3rd of 4 from my first marriage). Now, he doesn't live with me but thought my place would be a better place to crash after closing Taco Bell (where he works).

Scared the hell out of both of us!

We went back downstairs and had a good chat about telephone usage.
5/18/2005 5:29:37 AM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
There has been a lot of discussion here about home defense with an AR, without any real resolution or overall consensus.  I think that there's more risk of overpenetration with even a 55gr round out of an AR, (someone should post the "Box Of Truth" pages here-I don't have them) so I haven't even considered it.


What the hell are you talking about?
Get thee to the ammo forum.
5/18/2005 5:40:56 AM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
I've seen an article in a recent (witin last 3 issues) of the American Rifleman magazine concerning vaults that look like giant roll out drawers which fit into the back of trucks and SUV's to store rifles.  Maybe you can get one of these for under your bed.  The link is here as follows www.truckvault.com/

Yes, these could be used in an under the bed setup very nicely. Thanks for the link!

ETA: Yikes! Those things are picey. The closet vault may still be my best bet. It'll easily hold both AR and shotgun.
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