Problem inserting loded mags > Troubleshooting

Posted: 6/9/2006 11:10:55 AM EDT

I have a Oly lower & it is extremely difficult to insert a magazine with the bolt forward. The more rounds in the mag, the harder it seems. Anyone else have this problem? What type of gunsmithing is necessary to fix it? Empty mags work just fine.

Posted: 6/9/2006 11:23:49 AM EDT

[#1]

It is normal. Seat it with a slap from the palm of your hand. It is a tool, don't baby it.

Posted: 6/9/2006 11:26:30 AM EDT

[#2]

Quoted:
I have a Oly lower & it is extremely difficult to insert a magazine with the bolt forward. The more rounds in the mag, the harder it seems. Anyone else have this problem? What type of gunsmithing is necessary to fix it? Empty mags work just fine.

Oh boy, here it goes:

DOWNLOAD YOUR MAGS TO 28 ROUNDS, FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!!

Posted: 6/9/2006 1:09:00 PM EDT

[#3]

Even with 28 loaded it is still pretty tough & I have one mag that I can't budge at 28 rounds. They are all brand new mags from C-Products too. Great mags. Is it that the mag catch is out of spec and too high up in the mag well? Is there any way to fix that??

Posted: 6/9/2006 1:16:35 PM EDT

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Quoted:
Even with 28 loaded it is still pretty tough & I have one mag that I can't budge at 28 rounds. They are all brand new mags from C-Products too. Great mags. Is it that the mag catch is out of spec and too high up in the mag well? Is there any way to fix that??

If not the mag catch, then maybe the slot on the mags themselves. I have 30+ CP mags, both staniless and aluminum, 20 and 30 rounders, which have no problems. Try another manufacturers mags to eliminate that variable. Otherwise, I'm tapped out on ideas.

Posted: 6/9/2006 6:24:53 PM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:
It is normal. Seat it with a slap from the palm of your hand. It is a tool, don't baby it.

Ditto,

Start the mag in the well, then come up with the palm of your loading hand and drive the mag home.

As long as the fully loaded mag will load with the carrier locked back, and will load empty with the carrier forward, it just a matter of overcoming the spring/follower tension, and a good palm slap does it every time.

Posted: 6/9/2006 6:29:11 PM EDT

[#6]

Download the mags, also what type of mags are you using?

Edited to say Dont use plastic mags, Ive seen this problem alot since Isreal just dumped about 10 assloads of mags on a certain Latin American country that I tend to spend alot of time in. Fully Loaded plastic mags wont seat, also weak feed lips breaking off ect ect ect

Posted: 6/9/2006 6:41:44 PM EDT

[#7]

i had the same problem with c products mags. it was just one out of the fifteen that i ordered. the mag was just a bit out of spec. wouldn't seat w the bolt closed, won't drop free when mag release hit,...etc. it fed fine, once i seated it right, just going to keep it as a range mag.

Posted: 6/11/2006 4:13:57 PM EDT

[#8]

I have heard that bushy's & some higher end AR's don't seem to have this problem much. Is the root cause an out of spec lower? Is there any gunsmithing that can repair it?

Posted: 6/11/2006 6:30:30 PM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
I have heard that bushy's & some higher end AR's don't seem to have this problem much. Is the root cause an out of spec lower? Is there any gunsmithing that can repair it?

Start with an empty mag, and the carrier locked back.
Insert the empty mag in the well, and see if it will just lock into place by hand (shouldn't take a lot of force).
Next hit the bolt release and lock the bolt home.
Now hit the mag release button and see if the mag free drops out the bottom of the well.

If the mag free drops, and didn’t take a great deal of force to seat it, the rifle is golden and the mag just needs to break in (mag spring still very new/tight/outer surface rough, combined with a new/rough/ production edged follower skirt and fresh anodized inner mag wall surface).

Posted: 6/12/2006 2:00:15 AM EDT

[#10]

Boombastic don't try to modify your rifle by milling it down. Try this comparison. With the chamber empty, and the bolt forward, insert and empty magazine. If it goes in with no problems then everthing is okay. The more rounds you have in a magazine, the more pressure is put on the magazine spring. The more rounds that are in a magazine, the harder it will be to seat, with the bolt forward. The full magazine seats okay with the bolt to the rear, right?

Now do the same with a full magazine. It is just harder to seat with the magazine loaded. I assume that your rifle and magazines are new. When these are new they are a little harder to seat. It is just the nature of the beast, when all your equipment is newer than the tolerances are tighter. When you use your magazines more and more, they, as well as the mag well will wear and smooth out all the imperfections that the human eye cannot pick up. We all have gone through what you have. They guys with the higher end rifles have probably had them for a long time and everything is smooth, well worn and used. Dont get discouraged and do not try to get your rifle "gunsmithed" to clear up this problem. it will not work. I have a Colt AR that is well used, even I have a time seating a full magazine some times.

Posted: 6/12/2006 7:47:30 AM EDT

[#11]

Slap it like you hate it, then tug it to double check. If it comes out, slap it again. I found the tug, that takes 1/2 second, is a really good check to make sure you have a mag in there.

Posted: 6/12/2006 9:53:20 AM EDT

[#12]

Thanks guys, yes an empty mag with the bolt forward easily clicks into place every time. Must be those good C-products mag springs. I load to 28 wich helps a little. Thanks for all the tips. I won't be trying any milling any time soon.

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