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Posted: 1/24/2018 12:35:15 AM EST
[Last Edit: ThRob]
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Didn't I read somewhere that the Geissele parts will be black anodized for the Army and not DDE? If so, why the heck is Brownells selling the uppers with the DDE?
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Posted: 1/24/2018 1:24:38 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ThRob:
Didn't I read somewhere that the Geissele parts will be black anodized for the Army and not DDE? If so, why the heck is Brownells selling the uppers with the DDE? Edit: page 4 is mine losers M17 Pistol SCAR 17 M4A1 RIS & Mk18 Mod1 Really I have no interest in it if it’s not the Geissele DDC. It’s not page ownage if you edit. 
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Posted: 1/24/2018 6:51:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ThRob:
Didn't I read somewhere that the Geissele parts will be black anodized for the Army and not DDE? If so, why the heck is Brownells selling the uppers with the DDE? Edit: page 4 is mine losers Also, you can't own a page with an edit. Loser. 
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Posted: 1/24/2018 11:12:13 AM EST
[Last Edit: pezboytate]
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Posted: 1/24/2018 11:17:19 AM EST
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MI, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2018 12:42:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sdrake100:
Employee of Geissele on the Geissele Owner's Group on FB. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2018 4:11:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By C6H12O6: Seems like black anodizing would go against the latest trends of having things be coyote/FDE like: M17 Pistol SCAR 17 M4A1 RIS & Mk18 Mod1 Really I have no interest in it if it’s not the Geissele DDC. It’s not page ownage if you edit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By C6H12O6: Seems like black anodizing would go against the latest trends of having things be coyote/FDE like: M17 Pistol SCAR 17 M4A1 RIS & Mk18 Mod1 Really I have no interest in it if it’s not the Geissele DDC. It’s not page ownage if you edit. Originally Posted By sdrake100:
The upper is a close facsimile to as-issued, including the DDC anodizing. Also, you can't own a page with an edit. Loser. 
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Posted: 1/24/2018 4:50:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By ThRob:
Originally Posted By C6H12O6: Seems like black anodizing would go against the latest trends of having things be coyote/FDE like: M17 Pistol SCAR 17 M4A1 RIS & Mk18 Mod1 Really I have no interest in it if it’s not the Geissele DDC. It’s not page ownage if you edit. Originally Posted By sdrake100:
The upper is a close facsimile to as-issued, including the DDC anodizing. Also, you can't own a page with an edit. Loser. 
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WA, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2018 8:33:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By loco_engineer: Can't see your picture because you used Photobucket. Mega fail. |
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Posted: 1/24/2018 8:39:05 PM EST
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Photobucket doesn't allow 3rd party hosting anymore. You're probably the only person that can see it.
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Posted: 1/24/2018 8:46:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ThRob:
Shows up on iphone, android and 2 separate PCs... are you viewing this thread from a C64 or what? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ThRob:
Originally Posted By loco_engineer: Can't see your picture because you used Photobucket. Mega fail. 
Anyway since this is a tech forum, I can't wait to get my URGI whenever it's shipped from Brownell's. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2018 9:28:38 PM EST
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Ship date is what, April? Pre-order guys are going to be waiting a while. It'll be worth it though I'm sure
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Posted: 1/24/2018 9:34:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By loco_engineer:
Can't see your picture because you used Photobucket. Mega fail. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By loco_engineer:
Originally Posted By ThRob:
Originally Posted By C6H12O6: Seems like black anodizing would go against the latest trends of having things be coyote/FDE like: M17 Pistol SCAR 17 M4A1 RIS & Mk18 Mod1 Really I have no interest in it if it’s not the Geissele DDC. It’s not page ownage if you edit. Originally Posted By sdrake100:
The upper is a close facsimile to as-issued, including the DDC anodizing. Also, you can't own a page with an edit. Loser. 
Anywho, the rail will be DDC. No way in hell they'd pick black over DDC thankfully. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 1/24/2018 9:43:23 PM EST
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I’m down for the DDE, but since we are on the topic of “clone correct” I am fairly sure that anodized color is something people will want to get right... well at least until the rattle cans come out
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Posted: 1/25/2018 3:02:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ThRob:
Didn't I read somewhere that the Geissele parts will be black anodized for the Army and not DDE? If so, why the heck is Brownells selling the uppers with the DDE? Edit: page 4 is mine losers |
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Posted: 1/25/2018 4:12:41 PM EST
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Did this upper win a contract or something?
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Posted: 1/25/2018 5:42:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mattyvac:
Did this upper win a contract or something? |
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Posted: 1/26/2018 12:01:35 PM EST
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I have a dumb question; why can't we buy the DD 14.5 middy barrel and have someone like Steve @ ADCO increase the gas port to .076? Wouldn't that give us the correct barrel?
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Posted: 1/26/2018 1:44:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M4arc:
I have a dumb question; why can't we buy the DD 14.5 middy barrel and have someone like Steve @ ADCO increase the gas port to .076? Wouldn't that give us the correct barrel? They sell the Crane gas block. They used to sell RIS II's individually, all day long for a long period. |
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Posted: 1/26/2018 1:58:57 PM EST
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I'm still curious what this magic sauce is. If it end up being something already known to us like CHF I'm gonna be disappointed.
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Posted: 1/26/2018 2:31:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M4arc:
I have a dumb question; why can't we buy the DD 14.5 middy barrel and have someone like Steve @ ADCO increase the gas port to .076? Wouldn't that give us the correct barrel? |
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Posted: 1/26/2018 2:33:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vapor-Trail:
Apparently its more than just the gas port. There's some other secret sauce stuff going on with that barrel. It probably would just be easier to ask DD if they can sell the barrel. They sell the Crane gas block. They used to sell RIS II's individually, all day long for a long period. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vapor-Trail:
Originally Posted By M4arc:
I have a dumb question; why can't we buy the DD 14.5 middy barrel and have someone like Steve @ ADCO increase the gas port to .076? Wouldn't that give us the correct barrel? They sell the Crane gas block. They used to sell RIS II's individually, all day long for a long period. Good luck on DD selling clone correct anything. These are the same people who sell Block II uppers with the wrong gas block, wrong gas port size, a bill board on the side, and a plastic dust cover. |
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Posted: 1/26/2018 2:58:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: Who knows. I believe someone said in this thread or another they believe it is the geometry of the feed ramps, chamber or something. Good luck on DD selling clone correct anything. These are the same people who sell Block II uppers with the wrong gas block, wrong gas port size, a bill board on the side, and a plastic dust cover. |
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Posted: 1/26/2018 3:00:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: Who knows. I believe someone said in this thread or another they believe it is the geometry of the feed ramps, chamber or something. Good luck on DD selling clone correct anything. These are the same people who sell Block II uppers with the wrong gas block, wrong gas port size, a bill board on the side, and a plastic dust cover. Thats really messed up considering they make the MK12 block for Crane. |
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Posted: 1/26/2018 3:05:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: 871JZ]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: Who knows. I believe someone said in this thread or another they believe it is the geometry of the feed ramps, chamber or something. Good luck on DD selling clone correct anything. These are the same people who sell Block II uppers with the wrong gas block, wrong gas port size, a bill board on the side, and a plastic dust cover. I guess it's no big deal, really. I'd rather build my own, anyway. |
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Posted: 1/26/2018 3:28:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 871JZ: Agreed. No idea why their Block II uppers are the way they are. Stupid. I guess it's no big deal, really. I'd rather build my own, anyway. Man that is totally hosed. Lol! They're too cheap to even do 4150? That's ice cold! |
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Posted: 1/26/2018 3:37:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vapor-Trail:
DD puts in the wrong gas block too? Thats really messed up considering they make the MK12 block for Crane. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vapor-Trail:
Originally Posted By pezboytate: Who knows. I believe someone said in this thread or another they believe it is the geometry of the feed ramps, chamber or something. Good luck on DD selling clone correct anything. These are the same people who sell Block II uppers with the wrong gas block, wrong gas port size, a bill board on the side, and a plastic dust cover. Thats really messed up considering they make the MK12 block for Crane. |
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Posted: 1/26/2018 3:46:04 PM EST
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For anybody interested I'd recommend the Badger Ordnance Mk12 block above the DD. Not only is it technically more correct, I'm actually able to get the fucker on the barrel. And its a better looking grey instead of black. I hate the DD Mk12 gas block
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Posted: 1/26/2018 4:00:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
For anybody interested I'd recommend the Badger Ordnance Mk12 block above the DD. Not only is it technically more correct, I'm actually able to get the fucker on the barrel. And its a better looking grey instead of black. I hate the DD Mk12 gas block |
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USA
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Posted: 1/26/2018 4:16:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
I'm still curious what this magic sauce is. If it end up being something already known to us like CHF I'm gonna be disappointed. |
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Posted: 1/26/2018 4:30:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vapor-Trail:
Even the one DD sells separately is not right? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vapor-Trail:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
For anybody interested I'd recommend the Badger Ordnance Mk12 block above the DD. Not only is it technically more correct, I'm actually able to get the fucker on the barrel. And its a better looking grey instead of black. I hate the DD Mk12 gas block |
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Posted: 1/26/2018 4:31:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vapor-Trail:
Even the one DD sells separately is not right? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vapor-Trail:
Originally Posted By MILSPEC556:
For anybody interested I'd recommend the Badger Ordnance Mk12 block above the DD. Not only is it technically more correct, I'm actually able to get the fucker on the barrel. And its a better looking grey instead of black. I hate the DD Mk12 gas block Its strange to me because the clone threads have always said "DD MK12 gas block" but yet I haven't seen one on a mil block 2 so take that for what's its worth. I'm not sure what all pezboytate has seen for blocks, so maybe ask him too before we call it "set in stone" Thinking back I think I've only seen grey on Mk12 Mod 1s as well. |
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Posted: 1/26/2018 5:51:23 PM EST
[Last Edit: Vapor-Trail]
[#33]
Ok now this is interesting:
Bill Geissele with Brownells at Shot 2018 Fast forward to 24:18 Some info in here seems to Bill says that the URG-I is a "retrofit kit" supplied to Army. Barrel comes as an assembly: DD barrel with Geissele barrel nut slid on. Gas block pinned in place and gas tube already mounted. Army assembler basically slides barrel in, tightens nut, slides on MK16 rail tightens screws....done. |
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Posted: 1/26/2018 5:53:38 PM EST
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sounds like how a lot of block I uppers were retrofitted to block II standards.
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Posted: 1/26/2018 6:07:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vapor-Trail:
Ok now this is interesting: Bill Geissele with Brownells at Shot 2018 Fast forward to 24:18 Some info in here seems to contradict a lot of info we have assembled in this thread. Bill says that the URG-I is a "retrofit kit" supplied to Army. Barrel comes as an assembly: DD barrel with Geissele barrel nut slid on. Gas block pinned in place and gas tube already mounted. Army assembler basically slides barrel in, tightens nut, slides on MK16 rail tightens screws....done. |
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Posted: 1/26/2018 6:10:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: What is contradictory? The only difference I've heard is that he says the gas block is pinned. He didn't say what type of gas block is on the issued uppers. It may be the Geissele slim gas block but from what I've heard so far, it isn't. What have you heard? A new type of block? |
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Posted: 1/26/2018 6:20:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vapor-Trail:
Its not a MK12 gas block? Unless they are drilling and pinning them? What have you heard? A new type of block? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vapor-Trail:
Originally Posted By pezboytate: What is contradictory? The only difference I've heard is that he says the gas block is pinned. He didn't say what type of gas block is on the issued uppers. It may be the Geissele slim gas block but from what I've heard so far, it isn't. What have you heard? A new type of block? |
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Posted: 1/26/2018 6:26:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pezboytate: GS5414 said it was a Mk12 gas block. It may not be, I haven't seen any pics or documentation yet though. Either way, interesting that it comes as a partially assembled retrofit kit. That's a good idea. |
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Posted: 1/26/2018 8:37:47 PM EST
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Lots of information here. Just spent some time with Geissele and with Daniel Defense at SHOTSHOW.
From the best I can tell, Geissele is providing their Mk16 rail and a version of their Air ambi ch. There is a slight variation to what is provided the Army, from what they sell. The Brownells version, is... just that. Daniel Defense is providing the 14.5" Gov't profile barrel and their Mk12 gas block. Barrel is standard Cr-Moly CHF Chrome lined. DD told me that G is sending the parts, and DD is assembling, and DD is attaching the Surefire flash hider. Originally, it was the three-prong WarComp, but field testing got too much garbage in the holes, so they went with a pure tine SOCOM flash hider. To be fair, I go conflicting reports as whether it is the 3-prong, the old 4-prong, or the new 4-prong. I did not hear that it was a middy. I assumed it was a carbine barrel. I have read enough external sources in the last four hours to assume that the middy is correct. I have the engineering contacts at both firms, and can confirm, as well as with SF. The Mk16 DD rail is very solid, and the award, I am told, is based (partially) on how the Mk16 connects to the upper receiver, with flanges that keep it from rotating. I found the barrel choice interesting. Interesting in two ways. One, I would not have ever called a DD barrel for a DOD contract. Why not Colt? Next, it was Govt profile, and not SOCOM profile. Thirdly, if it is a middy, that is a first. The receiver and BCG are 100% Colt. I am told that armourers at Fr. Bragg, Ft. Benning, etc., will determine whether to replace existing uppers or add new uppers and BCG. Clearly, the upper shown with Brownells is not US Army. It is a forge mark from Precision Forging, or something like that. I know someone will correct me. I think they are in CA, and also Sig uses them, if I remember. No word on lowers, as they are "as is" from what I am told. I would suspect that means SOPMOD stock, but that is my assumption. Hope that helps. |
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Posted: 1/26/2018 8:46:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By barrelnutz:
Lots of information here. Just spent some time with Geissele and with Daniel Defense at SHOTSHOW. From the best I can tell, Geissele is providing their Mk16 rail and a version of their Air ambi ch. There is a slight variation to what is provided the Army, from what they sell. The Brownells version, is... just that. Daniel Defense is providing the 14.5" Gov't profile barrel and their Mk12 gas block. Barrel is standard Cr-Moly CHF Chrome lined. DD told me that G is sending the parts, and DD is assembling, and DD is attaching the Surefire flash hider. Originally, it was the three-prong WarComp, but field testing got too much garbage in the holes, so they went with a pure tine SOCOM flash hider. To be fair, I go conflicting reports as whether it is the 3-prong, the old 4-prong, or the new 4-prong. I did not hear that it was a middy. I assumed it was a carbine barrel. I have read enough external sources in the last four hours to assume that the middy is correct. I have the engineering contacts at both firms, and can confirm, as well as with SF. The Mk16 DD rail is very solid, and the award, I am told, is based (partially) on how the Mk16 connects to the upper receiver, with flanges that keep it from rotating. I found the barrel choice interesting. Interesting in two ways. One, I would not have ever called a DD barrel for a DOD contract. Why not Colt? Next, it was Govt profile, and not SOCOM profile. Thirdly, if it is a middy, that is a first. The receiver and BCG are 100% Colt. I am told that armourers at Fr. Bragg, Ft. Benning, etc., will determine whether to replace existing uppers or add new uppers and BCG. Clearly, the upper shown with Brownells is not US Army. It is a forge mark from Precision Forging, or something like that. I know someone will correct me. I think they are in CA, and also Sig uses them, if I remember. No word on lowers, as they are "as is" from what I am told. I would suspect that means SOPMOD stock, but that is my assumption. Hope that helps. Where did you hear about the Mk12 gas block? Is it pinned in place? |
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Posted: 1/26/2018 9:04:31 PM EST
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What's the difference between old SF4P and new SF4P? Wasn't aware a change happened
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Posted: 1/26/2018 11:21:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vapor-Trail:
Ok now this is interesting: Bill Geissele with Brownells at Shot 2018 Fast forward to 24:18 Some info in here seems to Bill says that the URG-I is a "retrofit kit" supplied to Army. Barrel comes as an assembly: DD barrel with Geissele barrel nut slid on. Gas block pinned in place and gas tube already mounted. Army assembler basically slides barrel in, tightens nut, slides on MK16 rail tightens screws....done. CD |
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Posted: 1/27/2018 12:24:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: Offically only word I have is I've got work to do assembling. Talked to Bill G and was told assembled barrels with gas block and G barrel nut. Remove old barrel, install new barrel, tighten nut (one wrench per 10 rails) and then screw on new rail with T30 screws. Same S4P. Only word on gas blocks I've seen was G stating it was DD Mk12 GBs. Don't know yet until I actually get the kits. CD Thanks CD |
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Posted: 1/28/2018 11:48:35 PM EST
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Any pictures of these uppers in the wild? Assuming not.
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Posted: 1/28/2018 11:56:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mundus:
Any pictures of these uppers in the wild? Assuming not. |
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Posted: 1/29/2018 12:17:18 AM EST
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I am curious to know if we know how many are being supplied. CD - do you have a ballpark?
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Posted: 1/29/2018 12:20:33 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ECPrevatte:
I am curious to know if we know how many are being supplied. CD - do you have a ballpark?
Sweet SAW BTW I would guess its prob too early to know on the question, but In case you missed it CD did say there is a 10.3 variant coming too. Which is fawesome as hell |
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Posted: 1/29/2018 12:41:13 AM EST
[Last Edit: Combat_Diver]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ECPrevatte:
I am curious to know if we know how many are being supplied. CD - do you have a ballpark? CD (you did ask for a ballpark) |
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Posted: 1/29/2018 9:35:42 AM EST
[Last Edit: 871JZ]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
What's the difference between old SF4P and new SF4P? Wasn't aware a change happened I'm assuming they went back to gov't profile because of the longer mid-length gas? A SOCOM profiled mid-length would be heavy as shit. I still think that gov't is a shit profile. Like we were discussing in the Block II thread, a constant taper would be much better than gov't. 
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/29/2018 11:00:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
I see how it is. Get YouTube famous then ditch us.
Sweet SAW BTW I would guess its prob too early to know on the question, but In case you missed it CD did say there is a 10.3 variant coming too. Which is fawesome as hell |
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