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Posted: 11/15/2011 6:32:11 AM EDT
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What do I have? I have this AR-15 that I am looking at but want to know if it a Frankenstein or if it is a legit Bushmaster. I do not know anything about AR's so asking you guys to see what I might should offer him. He has not set a price on it yet told me to take it and shoot it and see if I like it 1st. He said he paid $1000.00 for it and that it is a V-Match riffle I looked it up on web and all the V-Match Bushmaster I have seen have flat tops and this has a carry handle. I has a 20" fully fluted barrel. The thing that throws me off is I been looking and I have not seen another like it. the upper and lower match perfectly and there is no color difference between the 2. I also do not know like I said about anything on the AR-15 so is it a A2 or A3 or what?
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You uploaded the file with copyright restrictions, so flickr will not allow it to be embedded. Best you can do is a hotlink like this
http://www.flickr.com/photos/57503535@N05/6347062865/ From Bushmaster's website:
Product Description: The distinctive V-Match Models feature “flat-top” Upper Receivers and Tubular Free-Floating Forends – a great choice for the competitive shooter or varmint hunter… A quick google image search shows a lot of v-match rifles, all with flat-tops, and low-profile gasblocks, and NONE with a carry handle upper receiver and standard front sight base. It's possible that configuration is merely an unusual factory offering, or that the v-match barrel and free-float assembly were moved to a different upper receiver, and had the gas block replaced with a standard sight base tower. Bushmaster does not designate any "Ax" variants for the v-matches. In Bushmaster terms for their other models, a flat-top upper would make it an "A3", while for the actual US Military, the flat-top M16 is the "A4", and the flat-top M4 is the "A1". With a fixed carry handle, if you must give it a shorthand like "A2" or "A3", the closest would be an "A2" in this instance, though that's not the correct Bushmaster model name, and there are no military rifles of this type to warrant such a designation. You can find out if this is a factory Bushmaster configuration by calling or writing them with the serial number. They should be able to tell you if that lower left the factory as a complete rifle or not, and if it did, what its factory configuration was. |
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I called Bushmaster they said they have no idea of what the configuration is as they have so many configurations and so many venders that make there parts. I asked about the serial# deal also guy said no that wouldn't help. I might need to call and get another rep as the one I talked to didn't seem to want to talk to me or answer any questions?
The guy that owns the gun says he paid $1100.00 for it and wants to trade me for my S&W Bodyguard 380 & 38spl Combo set 1st edition 1 of 2000 in the presentational case low serial# below 500. By looking at the pics of it do you think that would be a fair trade? The AR looks to maybe had 100 or so rounds through it and is in awesome shape. |
| OK Guys I just called Bushmaster again and talked to a guy and he said it did leave the factory as a 20" rifle and said it might have been the configuration they put together in 2005 when the gun was made so he says it is basically a V-Match barrel on a A2 upper with Iron sights. |
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I called Bushmaster they said they have no idea of what the configuration is as they have so many configurations and so many venders that make there parts. I asked about the serial# deal also guy said no that wouldn't help. I might need to call and get another rep as the one I talked to didn't seem to want to talk to me or answer any questions? The guy that owns the gun says he paid $1100.00 for it and wants to trade me for my S&W Bodyguard 380 & 38spl Combo set 1st edition 1 of 2000 in the presentational case low serial# below 500. By looking at the pics of it do you think that would be a fair trade? The AR looks to maybe had 100 or so rounds through it and is in awesome shape. I would not make that trade. Bushmaster didn't confirm it left as an A2? If so, that means you have a potential frankengun on your hands. Cash, I'd say that rifle is worth maybe $550-$600. If it had a flat top upper, I'd say $600-$650. |
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I called Bushmaster they said they have no idea of what the configuration is as they have so many configurations and so many venders that make there parts. I asked about the serial# deal also guy said no that wouldn't help. I might need to call and get another rep as the one I talked to didn't seem to want to talk to me or answer any questions? The guy that owns the gun says he paid $1100.00 for it and wants to trade me for my S&W Bodyguard 380 & 38spl Combo set 1st edition 1 of 2000 in the presentational case low serial# below 500. By looking at the pics of it do you think that would be a fair trade? The AR looks to maybe had 100 or so rounds through it and is in awesome shape. I would not make that trade. Bushmaster didn't confirm it left as an A2? If so, that means you have a potential frankengun on your hands. Cash, I'd say that rifle is worth maybe $550-$600. If it had a flat top upper, I'd say $600-$650. I did call back a 2nd time and Bushy rep said the gun did leave as a rifle with 20" barrel I sent him pics and he said that the upper had never been taken apart and the pins in the iron sight indicated that it was all intact and not a add on barrel. He also said that the barrel with the markings was B MP 5.56 NATO H BAR. He said that it did leave as rifle 20" full fluted barrel but could not confirm it as a V-Match even though it has same barrel as the V-Match and the gun was made in 2006 and might have been sold as a special order or just a combo they put together for a promotion but gun seemed to be all Bushmaster and he said he had no reason to think the gun didn't come shipped the way it is now. |
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I called Bushmaster they said they have no idea of what the configuration is as they have so many configurations and so many venders that make there parts. I asked about the serial# deal also guy said no that wouldn't help. I might need to call and get another rep as the one I talked to didn't seem to want to talk to me or answer any questions? The guy that owns the gun says he paid $1100.00 for it and wants to trade me for my S&W Bodyguard 380 & 38spl Combo set 1st edition 1 of 2000 in the presentational case low serial# below 500. By looking at the pics of it do you think that would be a fair trade? The AR looks to maybe had 100 or so rounds through it and is in awesome shape. I would not make that trade. Bushmaster didn't confirm it left as an A2? If so, that means you have a potential frankengun on your hands. Cash, I'd say that rifle is worth maybe $550-$600. If it had a flat top upper, I'd say $600-$650. I did call back a 2nd time and Bushy rep said the gun did leave as a rifle with 20" barrel I sent him pics and he said that the upper had never been taken apart and the pins in the iron sight indicated that it was all intact and not a add on barrel. He also said that the barrel with the markings was B MP 5.56 NATO H BAR. He said that it did leave as rifle 20" full fluted barrel but could not confirm it as a V-Match even though it has same barrel as the V-Match and the gun was made in 2006 and might have been sold as a special order or just a combo they put together for a promotion but gun seemed to be all Bushmaster and he said he had no reason to think the gun didn't come shipped the way it is now. So, like I said, they never confirmed if it was an A2 originally. "Seems to be all Bushmaster" is not the same as "definitely is a factory Bushmaster in its entirety". I have a Bushmaster 20" A4 upper. The only indicator it's a BM is the mark on the barrel. The BCG, charging handle, and receiver have no marks indicating they are Bushmaster parts. Either way, it's a bad trade. Save your $$$ and buy/build exactly what you want. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting an inexpensive AR these days, so there's no reason to settle or to overpay (or overtrade). What's your plan for this gun? Do you plan to shoot mostly optics or irons? 3-gun, service rifle, carbine classes, patrol rifle? |
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