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NSWDG/Delta/AFSOC Recce Clone Picture and Discussion Thread (Page 2 of 137)
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Originally Posted By GuynamedDave:
So to be considered “clone correct”, what are our limitations as far as uppers/lowers and grips? |
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Originally Posted By Dobs013:
Hmmm....that's a good question. I would say at a minimum an m4 upper (Cerro is probably your best bet) and an A2 profile lower. Obviously colt is the way to go if you are looking to get a correct as possible. The early recce's with the lilja barrels would probably need a colt "AF" forge code upper. Probably the same with the Delta MRE uppers. I haven't seen a picture of one that is good enough quality to be able to see the forge mark, so the assumption on the AF is made based on what was known to be seen during the period of use. Grips, you are probably safe using anything that has been seen used in the wild. I've yet to see two recce's setup identically so there's a good amount of leeway on this platform. Originally Posted By Dobs013:
Originally Posted By GuynamedDave:
So to be considered “clone correct”, what are our limitations as far as uppers/lowers and grips? For uppers and lowers, I prefer mine to be matched, i.e. Spikes upper/lower, Aero upper/lower, etc.... just wondering how far off base that would be |
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Originally Posted By GuynamedDave: For grips I prefer the MIAD but I know the A2 is the most obvious correct part. For uppers and lowers, I prefer mine to be matched, i.e. Spikes upper/lower, Aero upper/lower, etc.... just wondering how far off base that would be |
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Originally Posted By Eyekahn:
Branching off from the normal Recce Rifle Thread for just legit clones. These have the most varying setups of all the clones I believe. Trying to keep this to the AR platform. But HK is kosher since it is the newer variant. Here is a quick run down. Can add more items as they get brought up. RAILS: KAC FF RAS Medium/Long and KAC MRE OPTICS: Nightforce 2.5-10x24/32, Leupold MK4 Series, S&B Short Dot, and Doctor/T1 Piggybacked OPTIC MOUNTS: NF Rings, ARMS Rings, NF Unimount, LaRue LT104, LaRue Riser/Ring Combo’s BARRELS: 16/15.x Ops Cut Barrel, 16in Lilja, or 14.5 M4 BIPODS: Harris 6-9 and Atlas BT10 STOCK: SOPMOD, CAR, or CTR. MUZZLE DEVICES: Ops/AE, BE Myers, or KAC NT4 SUPPRESSORS: Ops 12th/AEM5 and KAC NT4 A few to get us started of in the wild and a few of the favorites I’ve collected. https://i.imgur.com/eQsW54w.jpg https://i.imgur.com/96efWyH.jpg https://i.imgur.com/gDCE7Tj.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Su3iHMR.png https://i.imgur.com/D8jzOnk.jpg https://i.imgur.com/RnSjqeV.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ts9Kivo.jpg https://i.imgur.com/QTA7OyW.jpg https://i.imgur.com/OVEqo9Y.jpg https://i.imgur.com/agsuTyF.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ZLDhhMo.jpg https://i.imgur.com/lrgGcuB.jpg https://i.imgur.com/5j54vFl.jpg https://i.imgur.com/EIqypEh.jpg |
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Originally Posted By BigBoss01: What leupold scope is that in pic 5 and 6? Capped turrets and no illuminated reticle(mil-dot?) from what it looks like... |
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Originally Posted By GuynamedDave:
My build is underway. Larue 16” barrel, KAC 12” RAS, Leupold 2.5-8 inbound. Next up upper/lower and Larue SPR Mount. I’m having the barrel profiles by ADCO for the Ops can when it arrives and filing tax stamp by the end of the month. |
- Selling left nut for a Wilcox NF T1/MRDS mount.
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Originally Posted By vanquishings:
I guess I'll drop this here. https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4512/24295872698_7f244df323_o.jpg |
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Originally Posted By GuynamedDave: For grips I prefer the MIAD but I know the A2 is the most obvious correct part. For uppers and lowers, I prefer mine to be matched, i.e. Spikes upper/lower, Aero upper/lower, etc.... just wondering how far off base that would be |
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Originally Posted By Eyekahn:
Receivers should be colt. As should the BCG. But it is what it is, run whatever you have that’s normal m4 upper and lower. No billet skull magwell or blinged our receiver sets and your straight. Originally Posted By Eyekahn:
Originally Posted By GuynamedDave: For grips I prefer the MIAD but I know the A2 is the most obvious correct part. For uppers and lowers, I prefer mine to be matched, i.e. Spikes upper/lower, Aero upper/lower, etc.... just wondering how far off base that would be |
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Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Ah the dueling penises. There are better options.  Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By GuynamedDave: Those are ghey. I plan on Spikes matched upper/lower |
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Originally Posted By GuynamedDave:
I have always liked Spikes but certainly open to others if there is better out there. Originally Posted By GuynamedDave:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By GuynamedDave: Those are ghey. I plan on Spikes matched upper/lower |
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Originally Posted By ehudbengera:
As far as cloning goes, imho if you aren’t going to use Colt receivers you might as well just use the cheapest ones you can find. Receivers are all basically the same except for the roll marks. My LMT lower and Anderson lower both do the exact same thing but at significantly different price points. Originally Posted By ehudbengera:
Originally Posted By GuynamedDave:
Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By GuynamedDave: Those are ghey. I plan on Spikes matched upper/lower |
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Originally Posted By Infidel4life11:
You see that scope on older recces and mre’s I haven’t nailed it down yet but I believe it’s a Leupold Vari model either taken from a sniper system or unit bought. I know a guy the went to sniper school with an m14 and hi-lux scope back in the day and I sent pictures of the scope in question to him for clarification. Originally Posted By Infidel4life11:
Originally Posted By BigBoss01: What leupold scope is that in pic 5 and 6? Capped turrets and no illuminated reticle(mil-dot?) from what it looks like... |
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Originally Posted By GuynamedDave: I have always liked Spikes but certainly open to others if there is better out there. |
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Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Colt or NDS A1 lower, unbranded BCM upper; unless you can score a Colt upper as well. That's what I'd do, at least. Originally Posted By RTUtah:
Originally Posted By GuynamedDave: I have always liked Spikes but certainly open to others if there is better out there. |
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Originally Posted By GuynamedDave: May I ask why those 2? Just learning not trying to argue. |
- Selling left nut for a Wilcox NF T1/MRDS mount.
Who's got the one that is sitting on a table in like a conference room. It's painted and has vertical stripes like a grass paint job, tan, 1-4, sopmod stock..... That one should be in here I think . Harris 6-9... LT-104 Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
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Originally Posted By JJREA:
http://www.rhinoden.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/IMG_0061.jpg Who's got the one that is sitting on a table in like a conference room. It's painted and has vertical stripes like a grass paint job, tan, 1-4, sopmod stock..... That one should be in here I think . Harris 6-9... LT-104 Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? https://i.imgur.com/oifBLaM.jpg 
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- Selling left nut for a Wilcox NF T1/MRDS mount.
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Originally Posted By JJREA:
http://www.rhinoden.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/IMG_0061.jpg Who's got the one that is sitting on a table in like a conference room. It's painted and has vertical stripes like a grass paint job, tan, 1-4, sopmod stock..... That one should be in here I think . Harris 6-9... LT-104 Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? |
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Originally Posted By eMc9001: The purpose of cloning is to use historically accurate parts to replicate it. More so why this thread was made to deviate from the RECCE rifle thread for more of the clone builds. Going out and snagging a Anderson lower for one of these defeats the purpose completely. Colt is primarily what was used, the A1 variant lowers (which are used for Mk12's) were used in these as well.
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Originally Posted By eMc9001: http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d23/pcrunnels/25794732fb5a5a685ed34c6c1aa49dd0_zps8jcczdvu.jpg |
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Originally Posted By Dobs013: I still think this is a grey area. For clone purposes, other than it being made by colt, a colt commercial lower is more clone incorrect than any standard milspec a2 profile lower just from the stand point of the missing selector stops. And while the pony and colt denfense marks are the same the rest of the roll mark is different and missing the govt property line. Now I get I'm getting into semantics at this point but just saying
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- Selling left nut for a Wilcox NF T1/MRDS mount.
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Originally Posted By eMc9001: But it's not fair the average joe can spend $30 on a lower while I spend $1,000 on my elitist roll mark bro. Come on now.  ....haha
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Originally Posted By Dobs013: Hahaha....well you could be like me and spend $1500 on a lower made 25 years ago that cost $60 new bc of the dumbass state I live in ....haha |
- Selling left nut for a Wilcox NF T1/MRDS mount.
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Originally Posted By JJREA:
http://www.rhinoden.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/IMG_0061.jpg Who's got the one that is sitting on a table in like a conference room. It's painted and has vertical stripes like a grass paint job, tan, 1-4, sopmod stock..... That one should be in here I think . Harris 6-9... LT-104 Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? https://i.imgur.com/oifBLaM.jpg
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Originally Posted By eMc9001: Yeah, well I understand the preban life lol. That's inevitable. 
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Originally Posted By Dobs013: Luckily for me and thanks to my homie who shall remain nameless to protect his identity from lower hungry cloners behind enemy lines, I got a Bushmaster a2 lower for $200 |
- Selling left nut for a Wilcox NF T1/MRDS mount.
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Originally Posted By Dobs013: Right!? ETA- at least it's not an $1500 essential arms. I'm am going to find a preban sendra lower for this thing at some point. 
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- Selling left nut for a Wilcox NF T1/MRDS mount.
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Originally Posted By Dobs013: I still think this is a grey area. For clone purposes, other than it being made by colt, a colt commercial lower is more clone incorrect than any standard milspec a2 profile lower just from the stand point of the missing selector stops. And while the pony and colt denfense marks are the same the rest of the roll mark is different and missing the govt property line. Now I get I'm getting into semantics at this point but just saying 
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Originally Posted By GuynamedDave:
Anyone been to sharkarms.com? They have stripped colt uppers for $125... I can’t find them cheap so I may order one and a full auto BCG as well. Would I want a square or keyhole upper? |
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Originally Posted By GuynamedDave:
Anyone been to sharkarms.com? They have stripped colt uppers for $125... I can’t find them cheap so I may order one and a full auto BCG as well. Would I want a square or keyhole upper? |
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Originally Posted By Dobs013:
Keyhole is what you would want, Cerro was the primary forge supplier to colt around the time that the recce was in full swing. By the time brass aluminum started supplying colt, the change over to the 416 was starting. Now if you are going early recce (lilja/249f) combo the the correct upper would be raised "C AF" markings. Originally Posted By Dobs013:
Originally Posted By GuynamedDave:
Anyone been to sharkarms.com? They have stripped colt uppers for $125... I can’t find them cheap so I may order one and a full auto BCG as well. Would I want a square or keyhole upper?
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Originally Posted By Infidel4life11:
That Marine is using a MK12 mod 1, I believe Originally Posted By Infidel4life11:
Originally Posted By JJREA:
http://www.rhinoden.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/IMG_0061.jpg Who's got the one that is sitting on a table in like a conference room. It's painted and has vertical stripes like a grass paint job, tan, 1-4, sopmod stock..... That one should be in here I think . Harris 6-9... LT-104 Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? |
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Thanks! I love seeing "non standard/issue" optics in use.
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NSWDG/Delta/AFSOC Recce Clone Picture and Discussion Thread (Page 2 of 137)
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