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Posted: 3/2/2015 11:32:30 AM EDT
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He conducted some test, which he posted to another board, to "prove" that there is a "substantial velocity difference" between 18" and 20" 5.56 barrels contrary to the "popular myth". However, he used two obscure ammo types to "prove" his point, when the popular conception was that there was little difference in velocity for 18" and 20" barrels when using M855 and M193!
Funny how he neglected to test the performance of those two rounds when proving his point... |
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No offense, but...I think that could be part of the point. Can you link or IM a link to the report ? I would like to read it.
Anytime someone takes the time to do testing and post the results is good for us. Offering constructive criticism is expected, it is the nature of the internet, but don't fault the man for posting his results. Personally, I take a rather dim view of poorly worded criticism... the internet can and does convey innocent comments in a negative form easily. I have also noted sizable velocity differences between various commercial rounds between 16" and 20" barrels, not a huge amount , but enough to make note of. As a side note, I do see a general trend towards ammo being more oriented towards 16" optimization. Including .308 / 7.62x51. I can't prove it, but it appears that way. So any well thought out data, is helpful. I enjoy reading the various velocity reports... and have accumulated more ammo to add to my post.... just waiting on sunshine for the chrono. Found the link... https://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?14015-BS-Busters-Number-87-The-Myth-of-the-18-Inch-Barrel-Velocity 100 FPS isn't really that much... but it is none the less a difference. Myth Busted. And point proven. Briefly looking over my chrono data ... it shows about 40 FPS less per inch of barrel loss for 60gr - 77gr and about 50 FPS less per inch of barrel loss for typical surplus / USGI 55gr. |
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And people wonder why Molon really doesn't post here anymore. Because of asshats that nitpick every single thing he does, and bitch when it isn't exactly what they wanted/expected.
Typically, Molon eliminates or minimizes as many variable as he can in his testing and just posts the results for people to draw their own conclusions. When he does offer opinions, they are based on what he sees in the data and off his expert knowledge of ballistics. Knowledge he's gained from actually doing shit. From what I've seen, he's more than open to suggestions on methods to improve his results and increase the reliability of his findings. He's even gone so far as to re-test loads when valid points have been raised. What is "substantial velocity difference"? I'm sure it means different things to different people. What is acceptable to me might not be to you; and is probably way different than what extreme distance shooters would accept. Why did he not use M855 or M193? I don't know for sure, but probably he was using a handload that had a lot more consistency in BC, powder charge, seating depth, etc., etc. as to try and create as much as possible an identical load. The purpose of the test, after all, was to measure as closely as possible the actual velocity difference between barrel lengths. Cutting down on the errors inherent in mass-produced ammunition only makes his results more accurate. So no, I don't find it "funny" that he didn't use mil-spec ammo. The only thing I find funny is a member of this site who's been around for over 10 years calling out another member who's done more to further the body of ballistics knowledge than 99% of the people on here. |
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And people wonder why Molon really doesn't post here anymore. Because of asshats that nitpick every single thing he does, and bitch when it isn't exactly what they wanted/expected. Typically, Molon eliminates or minimizes as many variable as he can in his testing and just posts the results for people to draw their own conclusions. When he does offer opinions, they are based on what he sees in the data and off his expert knowledge of ballistics. Knowledge he's gained from actually doing shit. From what I've seen, he's more than open to suggestions on methods to improve his results and increase the reliability of his findings. He's even gone so far as to re-test loads when valid points have been raised. What is "substantial velocity difference"? I'm sure it means different things to different people. What is acceptable to me might not be to you; and is probably way different than what extreme distance shooters would accept. Why did he not use M855 or M193? I don't know for sure, but probably he was using a handload that had a lot more consistency in BC, powder charge, seating depth, etc., etc. as to try and create as much as possible an identical load. The purpose of the test, after all, was to measure as closely as possible the actual velocity difference between barrel lengths. Cutting down on the errors inherent in mass-produced ammunition only makes his results more accurate. So no, I don't find it "funny" that he didn't use mil-spec ammo. The only thing I find funny is a member of this site who's been around for over 10 years calling out another member who's done more to further the body of ballistics knowledge than 99% of the people on here. |
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Hi,
I don't fault Molon's tests, he controlled the variable well, and M-193 and M-855 don't have to be the test rounds 100 FPS is a significant difference energy wise, especially after a barrier. People forget is that that energy goes up with the square of the velocity. At M-193 velocities that 100 feet per second means an extra 77 ft pounds of energy. That happens to tbe around the amount of energy needed (approx.70- 58 ft. lbs.) to inflict a fatal wound with a 5.56 bullet. The velocity increase while small is significant especially after punching through a barrier. Best Regards: |
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