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Posted: 12/13/2022 7:59:07 AM EST
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I notice that a lot of the SL stocks are OD green and not FDE. The last one is a green stock with a FDE BCM foregrip. Interesting color choices.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/13/2022 9:09:12 AM EST
[Last Edit: gonetotexas]
[#2]
Factory Colt M4A1 SOCOM Rifle
  
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Posted: 12/13/2022 1:10:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lancelot: Not my picture so I'm not sure what laser that is. I did notice in the 2nd video, a lot of the Comp M4 Aimpoints had the mount reversed putting the knob on the ejection port side. I don't know why I never thought of that before. I flipped mine around and I do like it better that way. I did that on my Block 1ish clone when I put it together. Keeps the left side of the gun "cleaner."  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/13/2022 6:07:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Strela: I did that on my Block 1ish clone when I put it together. Keeps the left side of the gun "cleaner." https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/6163/M4Clone_jpg-2633873.JPG Nice. Just waiting for my Ergo rail to show up. |
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Posted: 12/13/2022 6:50:57 PM EST
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Anyone else have an issue with the Ergo rail canting downward when tightened? Mine is touching the barrel at 12 o'clock on the inside of the rail.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/13/2022 11:26:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: gonetotexas]
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bangalore78e: Anyone else have an issue with the Ergo rail canting downward when tightened? Mine is touching the barrel at 12 o'clock on the inside of the rail. Yes. I put the upper in a vice block, in the vice. Then used a rubber mallet to “persuade” the rail to center. Was very simple and it has stayed very much centered since. |
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USA
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Posted: 12/14/2022 2:06:27 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bangalore78e: Anyone else have an issue with the Ergo rail canting downward when tightened? Mine is touching the barrel at 12 o'clock on the inside of the rail. Its common, but mine isn't touching the barrel  
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USA
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Posted: 12/14/2022 2:11:12 AM EST
[Last Edit: uniform64]
[#8]
The droop bugged me for a while but it gives it character
 
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NH, USA
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Posted: 12/14/2022 3:58:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uniform64: The droop bugged me for a while but it gives it character https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49001750121_b6ffb27a08_b.jpg Ughh, that would bother the shit out of me until it was level. |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 4:42:06 AM EST
[#10]
Droop is clone correct
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Posted: 12/14/2022 7:43:11 AM EST
[#11]
Wasn't there a "fix" floating around for the droop?
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Posted: 12/14/2022 9:52:03 AM EST
[#12]
If you wanted you could place the magpul afg across it and the ras to keep it level then tighten. Otherwise I would think of some rigged spacer to help even it out.
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Posted: 12/14/2022 11:22:26 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usmc_noma: If you wanted you could place the magpul afg across it and the ras to keep it level then tighten. Otherwise I would think of some rigged spacer to help even it out. |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 11:52:06 AM EST
[Last Edit: prskiller]
[#14]
To me is doesn’t look like you could bridge the gap, if you look at all the pics the rail is not the same size as the kac rail.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/14/2022 11:52:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lancelot: Since I don't have my rail yet, could you just slap a KAC rail panel on there, bridging the gap? No, the KAC M4 RAS and the Ergo M4 Extension rails do not line up. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/14/2022 11:53:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uniform64: Its common, but mine isn't touching the barrel Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uniform64: Its common, but mine isn't touching the barrel Originally Posted By Hodgexj1996: Wasn't there a "fix" floating around for the droop? I put the upper in a vice block, in the vice. Then used a rubber mallet to “persuade” the rail to center. |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 11:57:52 AM EST
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If you take a look at this pic, it looks like the BCM vert grip spans both rails. It's worth the try with the afg or kac rail.
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Posted: 12/14/2022 12:00:25 PM EST
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Better pic of the same Marine.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/14/2022 12:02:46 PM EST
[Last Edit: gonetotexas]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usmc_noma: If you take a look at this pic, it looks like the BCM vert grip spans both rails. It's worth the try with the afg or kac rail. The rails do not line up. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/14/2022 12:05:22 PM EST
[Last Edit: gonetotexas]
[#20]
Quote HistoryTake a look at Post #7 by @uniform64 (the picture with the ruler) You can clearly see that the rails to not line up. |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 2:19:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gonetotexas: I put the upper in a vice block, in the vice. Then used a rubber mallet to “persuade” the rail to center. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gonetotexas: Originally Posted By uniform64: Its common, but mine isn't touching the barrel Originally Posted By Hodgexj1996: Wasn't there a "fix" floating around for the droop? I put the upper in a vice block, in the vice. Then used a rubber mallet to “persuade” the rail to center. I can get down with that. Been torn on the ergo, I have an OG YHM tri rail that does what I need but man these just look so much better. |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 4:04:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gonetotexas: Take a look at Post #7 by @uniform64 (the picture with the ruler) You can clearly see that the rails to not line up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gonetotexas: Take a look at Post #7 by @uniform64 (the picture with the ruler) You can clearly see that the rails to not line up. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/14/2022 4:21:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hodgexj1996: I can get down with that. Been torn on the ergo, I have an OG YHM tri rail that does what I need but man these just look so much better. Ar15 vice block + vice + rubber mallet =  
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/14/2022 4:27:11 PM EST
[Last Edit: gonetotexas]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usmc_noma: I can see in his pic it doesnt line up. I'm saying if you look in both the pics I posted the vert grip is holding both the ras and the ergo. The vert grip is engaged by the pin in the center. It is partially on the ras and not fully engaged. You’re right, it certainly does appear as if the verticle foregrip is spanning both rails. If it can be made to work that way, then I think that is great. I’m just not seeing how it’s possible. Here’s mine for example: (as you can see in my previous post the Ergo Rail is pretty damn centered too) 
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NH, USA
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Posted: 12/14/2022 5:07:02 PM EST
[Last Edit: HipSh0T]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gonetotexas: You’re right, it certainly does appear as if the verticle foregrip is spanning both rails. If it can be made to work that way, then I think that is great. I’m just not seeing how it’s possible. Here’s mine for example: (as you can see in my previous post the Ergo Rail is pretty damn centered too) https://i.postimg.cc/sfNS25Mh/50-CDC61-C-2-E03-47-C1-B7-F4-229-FEAFB6-D6-F.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gonetotexas: Originally Posted By usmc_noma: I can see in his pic it doesnt line up. I'm saying if you look in both the pics I posted the vert grip is holding both the ras and the ergo. The vert grip is engaged by the pin in the center. It is partially on the ras and not fully engaged. You’re right, it certainly does appear as if the verticle foregrip is spanning both rails. If it can be made to work that way, then I think that is great. I’m just not seeing how it’s possible. Here’s mine for example: (as you can see in my previous post the Ergo Rail is pretty damn centered too) https://i.postimg.cc/sfNS25Mh/50-CDC61-C-2-E03-47-C1-B7-F4-229-FEAFB6-D6-F.jpg That's why the AFG looks better because you can mount it far enough back on the Ergo that it butts up against the KAC rail and hides this gap. I think it looks kind of weird in the pictures that show the vertical grip mounted half off the rear of the Ergo. |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 5:07:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gonetotexas: Ar15 vice block + vice + rubber mallet = https://i.postimg.cc/2jQRk7cH/27-E5-B894-8240-42-A9-A29-A-84909883-CDFB.jpg If that is solid with no play, good job. I’ll be okay with it either way cuz clone correct. |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 5:08:31 PM EST
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There’s also a review on midwayusa where user said it is not the same size dimensions as kac rail.
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Posted: 12/14/2022 5:26:08 PM EST
[Last Edit: Hodgexj1996]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gonetotexas: Ar15 vice block + vice + rubber mallet = https://i.postimg.cc/2jQRk7cH/27-E5-B894-8240-42-A9-A29-A-84909883-CDFB.jpg Perfection! |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 5:46:17 PM EST
[Last Edit: usmc_noma]
[#29]
My personal preference is to not have it span both rails unless it had significant coverage such as an afg, but if it works how you want it then go for it.
If you look at this pic, the ergo is definitely canted and does not line up with the ras. You can also tell the barrel is higher as well which would match up to the upper portion being close to the top rail closer to the muzzle.  |
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Posted: 12/16/2022 1:00:33 AM EST
[Last Edit: prskiller]
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Sort of done for now, will later add an EXPS3-0. There is no bridging the gap. The ERGO is considerably smaller all the way around than any quad rail out there. The BCM grip will not go to the rear of ERGO due to the sight base bayonet lug. Mines is front of kac rail with a little portion of it hanging but still solid. Could not at all secure forward rail without it canting down but clone so who cares.
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Posted: 12/30/2022 1:34:51 AM EST
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MN, USA
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Posted: 2/21/2023 1:31:50 AM EST
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Hey Folks, don't have an exact clone but more so inspired by (BCM 14.5 not clone correct but similar enough). My ergo rail cants down a little bit, but doesn't touch the barrel. Not the worst thing in the world. However, when mounting a sling, should I put the sling mount on the RAS or would it be OK on the ERGO? I like to have some tension on my sling when I shorten it (BFG Vickers). I know the rail isn't FF, does anyone know if it would have a POI shift if it was on the ergo rail?
Also I'm seeing some streamlight tlr1's in pictures. A couple other photo's look like protac's. Unless my eyes are deceiving me and it's a surefire. Magwell gripping Marines probably wear white socks too . Don't worry, I won't tell. Thank you. |
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USA
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Posted: 6/16/2023 3:05:18 PM EST
[#33]
Bumpity bump. Just put my clone together. Damn if that Ergo grip isn't messing with my OCD. Need to straighten it out.
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Posted: 6/16/2023 3:17:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LongTrang: Bumpity bump. Just put my clone together. Damn if that Ergo grip isn't messing with my OCD. Need to straighten it out. I was in the same boat. The mallet method, as described above, worked for me. YMMV. |
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USA
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Posted: 6/16/2023 8:29:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bangalore78e: I was in the same boat. The mallet method, as described above, worked for me. YMMV. What exactly did you wack on with the mallet? The more I observe the setup I begin to notice that I believe the discrepancy lies with the top mounting bracket and it’s relationship with the front sight base. Before I tighten the screws down the rail is aligned. But once I begin the final tighten process I can see the rail move up to conform with the top mounting bracket. I wonder if some shims would do. |
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Posted: 6/17/2023 2:37:41 AM EST
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Can't find the picture. But kind of by accident, I discovered when I slid on my Spike's Havoc 12", on my LE6920, it fit over both the KAC rail and the Ergo section of the rail. Had to do so before I completely tightened the Ergo down. Once I did, it straightened out the downward cant, and the Ergo and Havoc kind of locked each other into place.
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Posted: 6/18/2023 7:33:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By skindroid: Force and Battalion get issued the exact same equipment/weapons these days. The 1911 has since been replaced by the Sig M18 btw Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By skindroid: Force and Battalion get issued the exact same equipment/weapons these days. The 1911 has since been replaced by the Sig M18 btw Thank goodness. That 1152 round is pretty hot. Like 1300 FPS from the sig. Originally Posted By cone256: That front rail is just weird It is, but it's a cheap COTS solution the USMC is willing to buy vs new rails all around. Originally Posted By MNRidesHonda: The newest Recondo set up. 11.5" HK416A5  https://i.imgur.com/dsZXswd.jpg https://i.imgur.com/CoKpgox.jpg My boy's personal issued set up  https://i.imgur.com/Tv9UjPd.jpg Only makes sense since the USMC was going Hks all around they would adopt some kind of shorty 416 for the go fast dudes. Originally Posted By Caeser2001: Geiselle mounted to Larue  
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CO, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2023 10:10:29 AM EST
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https://i.imgur.com/aDNhWZM.jpg
Did you guys catch the rubber band on the Aimpoint? |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 1:15:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tat2steve: https://i.imgur.com/aDNhWZM.jpg Did you guys catch the rubber band on the Aimpoint? I picked up a set of surplus Aimpoint caps on Ebay and they definitely would benefit from something like that. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 6/23/2023 1:48:12 PM EST
[Last Edit: ArizonaRifleman]
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Caeser2001: Geiselle mounted to Larue Giessele doesn't make a riser. And probably got the Geissele first and then decided that he needed it to clear the laser and bought the Larue, because he also probably didn't want to re-center the optic by having to buy a higher mount for it. He would have been better served by getting a Badger in the correct height of 170 or 1.93 to clear the laser, and saved money and still have a better mount that's modular than both companies currently have to offer. |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 7:42:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Caeser2001: Geiselle mounted to Larue Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Caeser2001: Originally Posted By sawgunner73: Need some more pics up in this thread...… https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/109489/bdZyOfH_jpg-2073323.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/109489/150414-M-ML847-875_jpg-2073324.JPG Geiselle mounted to Larue Uh oh.....  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/23/2023 8:00:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sawgunner73: Uh oh..... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/109489/a4tfaxa2dr281_jpg-2861719.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sawgunner73: Originally Posted By Caeser2001: Originally Posted By sawgunner73: Need some more pics up in this thread...… https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/109489/bdZyOfH_jpg-2073323.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/109489/150414-M-ML847-875_jpg-2073324.JPG Geiselle mounted to Larue Uh oh..... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/109489/a4tfaxa2dr281_jpg-2861719.JPG He is from Texas, he doesn’t know any better.
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Posted: 6/23/2023 8:14:41 PM EST
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Posted: 6/23/2023 11:56:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sawgunner73: UTG rail...... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/109489/1000w_q95_jpg-2861752.JPG 
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 6/24/2023 12:21:52 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: I thought the ergo rails were bad Wait until the appeals to authority just as good crew shows up to liven things up a bit in here
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NE, USA
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Posted: 6/25/2023 8:18:29 PM EST
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Threw a spare NT4 and KAC ambi on.
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Posted: 6/25/2023 8:46:02 PM EST
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Has anyone seen any recent hi-res pics with t1 or t2 optics on them?
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/27/2023 8:18:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: I thought the ergo rails were bad Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LsuJon: Originally Posted By sawgunner73: UTG rail...... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/109489/1000w_q95_jpg-2861752.JPG  It's just a cheap beater rifle I had laying around (RRA lower with a PSA 14.7 upper), but the only thing wrong with that rail is it weighs just under 50lbs. Holy fuck is it unnecessarily heavy. |
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Posted: 6/30/2023 8:19:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usmc_noma: Has anyone seen any recent hi-res pics with t1 or t2 optics on them?  |
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Posted: 6/30/2023 8:30:59 PM EST
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Here's another T1 on the far right with what I think is a Troy rail.
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