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2008 FN clone is just about finished. Every component is “war years” era down to the lower components being correctly marked and finishes. Just need to grab the right light, acog, bayonet, sling and mag pouch…. And yes the trigger guard is on order ( the lower for now is a host till i get a correct one )Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Finally got around to assembling mine, I forgot how much I hate a TA31 with an A2 stock. I really wish someone would clone the CS stocks. I shot mine today, wearing a jacket. I'm strongly considering tossing out the KAC rear sight in order to get the ACOG further back. |
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Originally Posted By ELittlefield: I shot mine today, wearing a jacket. I'm strongly considering tossing out the KAC rear sight in order to get the ACOG further back. Originally Posted By ELittlefield: Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Finally got around to assembling mine, I forgot how much I hate a TA31 with an A2 stock. I really wish someone would clone the CS stocks. I shot mine today, wearing a jacket. I'm strongly considering tossing out the KAC rear sight in order to get the ACOG further back. I feel that. I put a matech on mine just because I think it looks so good under an ACOG, but taking it off would solve my problems. I’d rather get a Comp M4 than do that. 
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Originally Posted By ELittlefield: I shot mine today, wearing a jacket. I'm strongly considering tossing out the KAC rear sight in order to get the ACOG further back. Originally Posted By ELittlefield: Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Finally got around to assembling mine, I forgot how much I hate a TA31 with an A2 stock. I really wish someone would clone the CS stocks. I shot mine today, wearing a jacket. I'm strongly considering tossing out the KAC rear sight in order to get the ACOG further back. Get a kram mount |
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Originally Posted By 03RN: Get a kram mount Originally Posted By 03RN: Originally Posted By ELittlefield: Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Finally got around to assembling mine, I forgot how much I hate a TA31 with an A2 stock. I really wish someone would clone the CS stocks. I shot mine today, wearing a jacket. I'm strongly considering tossing out the KAC rear sight in order to get the ACOG further back. Get a kram mount Nice. I haven't heard of those. |
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Originally Posted By ELittlefield: Nice. I haven't heard of those. Agreed, get a KRAM. They have several profiles; I can't remember which one this is. Does exactly what I need it to. Moves it up and slightly to the rear to completely clear a MaTech and put me in the eye box where the stock is comfortable.   
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Well it looks like I’m back in the A4 game again! FN military collector factory lower paired with a surplus FN A4 upper group. Surplus OKC3 Surplus USGI sling USGI carry handle Haven’t decided on optics. I have a Matech and a USMC KAC BUIS so who knows. Just got it set up tonight so haven’t shot it yet. 
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Originally Posted By JSPA: Well it looks like I’m back in the A4 game again! FN military collector factory lower paired with a surplus FN A4 upper group. Surplus OKC3 Surplus USGI sling USGI carry handle Haven’t decided on optics. I have a Matech and a USMC KAC BUIS so who knows. Just got it set up tonight so haven’t shot it yet. https://i.imgur.com/VLyjcqyh.jpg Mine is put together from the same components that i hunted down and assembled last week. Where did you find your sling and bayonet? Haven’t came across those yet |
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Originally Posted By 7dirtydan7: Mine is put together from the same components that i hunted down and assembled last week. Where did you find your sling and bayonet? Haven’t came across those yet Sling I got at a local show here in PA; I believe the dealer was Sherluk and it was like $12. Bayonet was from a seller on eBay; not a dealer, just a dude selling one. It’s new w/ scabbard. Not commercial marked. $116 otd |
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A few questions for the crew - 1) did any of the A4s run an Ambi charge handle or Ambi mag release? I know I know run what you brung and such but just curious as I’m a lefty. 2) if I go ACOG route, opinions on the KRAM spacer and what size fits over the KAC micro? Thanks guys! |
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Originally Posted By JSPA: A few questions for the crew - 1) did any of the A4s run an Ambi charge handle or Ambi mag release? I know I know run what you brung and such but just curious as I’m a lefty. 2) if I go ACOG route, opinions on the KRAM spacer and what size fits over the KAC micro? Thanks guys! For #1, Offically No for #2, can't answer |
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Originally Posted By JSPA: A few questions for the crew - 1) did any of the A4s run an Ambi charge handle or Ambi mag release? I know I know run what you brung and such but just curious as I’m a lefty. 2) if I go ACOG route, opinions on the KRAM spacer and what size fits over the KAC micro? Thanks guys! 1. I never saw any and for the 2007+ Army really only pencil pushers who barely knew what end was the dangerous one carried the A4s. Marines are different, though. Something that easy to swap is hard to know. |
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So a few more questions. If I were to get an ACOG for this monster 1) aside from being clone correct, are the Larue clone mounts worth it or just stick to the Trijicon TA51 2) does anyone know the height and weight of those mounts? 3) ok to mount the levers on the left since I’m a lefty or just get the LT100? Thanks again guys! I never dove deep into the A4 but I’m digging it more than my slap together one I had years ago. |
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Originally Posted By JSPA: So a few more questions. If I were to get an ACOG for this monster 1) aside from being clone correct, are the Larue clone mounts worth it or just stick to the Trijicon TA51 2) does anyone know the height and weight of those mounts? 3) ok to mount the levers on the left since I’m a lefty or just get the LT100? Thanks again guys! I never dove deep into the A4 but I’m digging it more than my slap together one I had years ago. Whelp, I just went ahead and dove in. Bought a Larue mount, KRAM 9.0 spacer and TA31RCO-A4 For anyone curious: 1) think the mounts are worth it at $100, but not for $200 retail 2) height is the same the TA51 mount. Weight is 3.2oz 3) don’t know this one for sure but from what I read, doesn’t seem to matter. Since last update, added the ACOG, LT799, KRAM 9 spacer. KAC USMC micro BUIS. Raptor Ambi charge handle. Geissele SSA trigger. Ive had the grip pod for a while but slapped it on for funzies. Still has to be zeroed in but pretty nice. Also waiting for a Specter Gear rear sling adaptor but not sure what’s taking them so long to deliver. Anyways, updated goodness pic  |
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Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: For #1, Offically No for #2, can't answer Originally Posted By Combat_Diver: Originally Posted By JSPA: A few questions for the crew - 1) did any of the A4s run an Ambi charge handle or Ambi mag release? I know I know run what you brung and such but just curious as I’m a lefty. 2) if I go ACOG route, opinions on the KRAM spacer and what size fits over the KAC micro? Thanks guys! For #1, Offically No for #2, can't answer The Marine Corps authorized the addition of Norgon Ambi mag release and the swap out of parts to make the charging handle ambi at unit commanders’ discretion. |
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Nice. Thanks for the info! I have a few Norgons and like them so I guess another is in order! Oh, and question on the ACOG ARD… are they actually useful for non military? Mine is not very tight. I saw a suggestion about putting a few pieces of electrical tape on the top but I dont know… |
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Originally Posted By JSPA: Nice. Thanks for the info! I have a few Norgons and like them so I guess another is in order! Oh, and question on the ACOG ARD… are they actually useful for non military? Mine is not very tight. I saw a suggestion about putting a few pieces of electrical tape on the top but I dont know… Well, its an anti reflective device. Do you feel you may ever be using this rifle in a martial role? If so then yes its useful. |
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Originally Posted By scottrh2: Cut the honeycomb out for better viewing and use it as a sunshade. Works great this way Originally Posted By scottrh2: Cut the honeycomb out for better viewing and use it as a sunshade. Works great this way The one that came with it actually screws off the adaptor so that’s kinda neat. Originally Posted By 03RN: Well, it’s an anti reflective device. Do you feel you may ever be using this rifle in a martial role? If so then yes it’s useful. Maybe down the road it could be useful depending on where life takes us. I guess I’ll keep it but probably won’t have it on all the time. |
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Originally Posted By ELittlefield: I shot mine today, wearing a jacket. I'm strongly considering tossing out the KAC rear sight in order to get the ACOG further back. Put an adjustable stock on it. I shot a 20” with 1-4 Trijicon and adjustable stock for years in 3- gun. It works |
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Originally Posted By 3-gun: Put an adjustable stock on it. I shot a 20” with 1-4 Trijicon and adjustable stock for years in 3- gun. It works Originally Posted By 3-gun: Originally Posted By ELittlefield: I shot mine today, wearing a jacket. I'm strongly considering tossing out the KAC rear sight in order to get the ACOG further back. Put an adjustable stock on it. I shot a 20” with 1-4 Trijicon and adjustable stock for years in 3- gun. It works Yeah. That's not much of an A4 clone anymore though. |
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Originally Posted By Semper_Firearms: It’s been a long road but she’s finally complete. Everything is the real McCoy sans the SomoGear Peq2. I love this rifle, it brings back so many memories. https://image2url.com/r2/default/images/1775187137922-a99559ff-0300-4300-bada-2203cf3e69e9.blob https://image2url.com/r2/default/images/1775187140663-5e672389-03f4-4ca5-b229-46b71a530e32.blob Are long neck Surefires kosher? I have one of those in the parts bin... |
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Originally Posted By ELittlefield: Yeah. That's not much of an A4 clone anymore though. Originally Posted By ELittlefield: Originally Posted By 3-gun: Originally Posted By ELittlefield: I shot mine today, wearing a jacket. I'm strongly considering tossing out the KAC rear sight in order to get the ACOG further back. Put an adjustable stock on it. I shot a 20” with 1-4 Trijicon and adjustable stock for years in 3- gun. It works Yeah. That's not much of an A4 clone anymore though. It would be if the Marines were a little more flexible.😉 |
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So I finally got my Specter Gear stock adaptor today… man they take forever to ship! Anyways, my surplus upper came with the m4 barrel mount side sling adaptor. Being that it came with a surplus upper I’d say it’s clone correct but I like my front sling point closer to the receiver. What says the crew on getting the Blue Force rail mount sling adaptor or just paracord that bad boy to the RAS? I’ve done the paracord plenty of times but I feel like this one is like classier or something… so adaptor or just cord it? |
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Originally Posted By JSPA: So I finally got my Specter Gear stock adaptor today… man they take forever to ship! Anyways, my surplus upper came with the m4 barrel mount side sling adaptor. Being that it came with a surplus upper I’d say it’s clone correct but I like my front sling point closer to the receiver. What says the crew on getting the Blue Force rail mount sling adaptor or just paracord that bad boy to the RAS? I’ve done the paracord plenty of times but I feel like this one is like classier or something… so adaptor or just cord it? Well, mines paracorded lol Attached File |
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Taking some tips from you guys, I installed that buttstock sling mount, a BFG sling, and the KRAM spacer. That spacer is a game changer for shooting comfortably. Meanwhile, my quest continues to get the CARL 3 round burst FRT to work. I got it working in the other gun, but in this one I'm still consistently getting light strikes on the first round. I'm going to try a few different BCGs to see if this one is just out of spec, and possibly try an XL firing pin.  " />
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Nice! Slapped on the sling adaptor and just corded the front through the RAS for now. Popped off the rail covers and used rubber ladders. Went back to the TA51 mount as with the Larue, the Kram was touching the Buis. Moving it up a space pushed the Acog up further than the ta51 I flipped the mount but didn’t like the levers facing fwd. so ta51 it is for now. This has been a fun journey so far! Ambi mag catch in route. After that this one is about done I think. |
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Originally Posted By ELittlefield: Yeah. That's not much of an A4 clone anymore though. Originally Posted By ELittlefield: Originally Posted By 3-gun: Originally Posted By ELittlefield: I shot mine today, wearing a jacket. I'm strongly considering tossing out the KAC rear sight in order to get the ACOG further back. Put an adjustable stock on it. I shot a 20” with 1-4 Trijicon and adjustable stock for years in 3- gun. It works Yeah. That's not much of an A4 clone anymore though. There were and still are plenty of adjustable stock M16A4s in Marine service. The Army allowed it to during the shorter time we had the A4. Way better for eye relief unless you are 7’ tall. Attached File |
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A snip from this article in re adjustable stocks on the M16s I’m not familiar with the source so for what it’s worth - https://www.everydaymarksman.co/equipment/m16a5/ (cold link) The US Army AAL M-16 Hybrid Buttstock Kit By 2009, many individual soldiers were unofficially experimenting with the collapsible buttstock configuration. United States Army Tank-automotive and Armaments Command (TACOM) started fielding requests for proposals to make it official. They created NSN 1005-01-569-6938 in 2008 for the project, but never officially announced it as an approved accessory until 2011. TACOM authorized the hybrid buttock for any M16A2 or M16A4 in service. The Army apparently ran it through a 200,000-round torture test before approving it. The actual details are still locked behind approved access at dtic.mil, though. M16 H6 Buffer hybrid buttstock authorization Excerpt from PS 703, June 2011 declaring the new hybrid buttstock kit for M16 rifles as authorized for installation The kit contained a standard M4 buffer tube, M4 stock, carbine spring, and specially-weighted “H6” buffer. Army units could purchase the kit for about $100 apiece for installation on their own rifles. The hybrid buttstock kit still required an armorer to install it. Furthermore, it was considered a temporary modification and any rifle with it had to be returned to its standard full-length configuration before returning to the armory at the end of a rotation. The June 2011 edition of the Army’s PS Magazine, #703, announced the change. If you aren’t familiar with it, PS Magazine is the Army’s monthly publication about periodic maintenance practices. It’s loaded with good information. The image in the announcement, found on page 24 and seen above, looks suspiciously like a Magpul UBR. Don’t be fooled, though, the kit came with the standard M4 stock. Army PS 771 discussing interchangeability of M16 H6 parts with standard carbine parts Excerpt from Army PS 771 discussing interchangeability of hybrid buffer parts with standard carbine parts In a later edition, #771 from February 2017, a weapons inspector wrote the editor reminding readers that the stock from the hybrid buttstock kit was not interchangeable with the standard M4 buttstock. However, interestingly, the authors of the magazine “misinterpreted” the letter and instead talked about the buffers not being the same. If I was to guess, the “inspector” wasn’t really a gun guy and was only looking at the stamp on the buffer to decide whether the whole stock was correct. Confusingly, though, the associated image once again depicted a stock that looks like the Magpul UBR. Attached File Attached File |
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Originally Posted By JSPA: A snip from this article in re adjustable stocks on the M16s I’m not familiar with the source so for what it’s worth - https://www.everydaymarksman.co/equipment/m16a5/ (cold link) The US Army AAL M-16 Hybrid Buttstock Kit By 2009, many individual soldiers were unofficially experimenting with the collapsible buttstock configuration. United States Army Tank-automotive and Armaments Command (TACOM) started fielding requests for proposals to make it official. They created NSN 1005-01-569-6938 in 2008 for the project, but never officially announced it as an approved accessory until 2011. TACOM authorized the hybrid buttock for any M16A2 or M16A4 in service. The Army apparently ran it through a 200,000-round torture test before approving it. The actual details are still locked behind approved access at dtic.mil, though. M16 H6 Buffer hybrid buttstock authorization Excerpt from PS 703, June 2011 declaring the new hybrid buttstock kit for M16 rifles as authorized for installation The kit contained a standard M4 buffer tube, M4 stock, carbine spring, and specially-weighted “H6” buffer. Army units could purchase the kit for about $100 apiece for installation on their own rifles. The hybrid buttstock kit still required an armorer to install it. Furthermore, it was considered a temporary modification and any rifle with it had to be returned to its standard full-length configuration before returning to the armory at the end of a rotation. The June 2011 edition of the Army’s PS Magazine, #703, announced the change. If you aren’t familiar with it, PS Magazine is the Army’s monthly publication about periodic maintenance practices. It’s loaded with good information. The image in the announcement, found on page 24 and seen above, looks suspiciously like a Magpul UBR. Don’t be fooled, though, the kit came with the standard M4 stock. Army PS 771 discussing interchangeability of M16 H6 parts with standard carbine parts Excerpt from Army PS 771 discussing interchangeability of hybrid buffer parts with standard carbine parts In a later edition, #771 from February 2017, a weapons inspector wrote the editor reminding readers that the stock from the hybrid buttstock kit was not interchangeable with the standard M4 buttstock. However, interestingly, the authors of the magazine “misinterpreted” the letter and instead talked about the buffers not being the same. If I was to guess, the “inspector” wasn’t really a gun guy and was only looking at the stamp on the buffer to decide whether the whole stock was correct. Confusingly, though, the associated image once again depicted a stock that looks like the Magpul UBR. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/162055/IMG_3110_jpeg-3743178.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/162055/IMG_3111_jpeg-3743179.JPG Yeah the graphics people that did PS magazine would take some liberties in their artwork on occasion, still unfortunate that it no longer exists, it was super useful for us to get info out. Funny to see my name floating on ARFCOM, and no i'm not the inspector |
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Originally Posted By theBlackKaiser: Yeah the graphics people that did PS magazine would take some liberties in their artwork on occasion, still unfortunate that it no longer exists, it was super useful for us to get info out. Funny to see my name floating on ARFCOM, and no i'm not the inspector That’s pretty cool! So hi, Ken? |
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I think BKings used to as well. I believe they’re GTG but if I think their barrels are nitride if I recall. Best to just keep your eyes peeled for a deal on one. They’re out there… just depends on your budget https://www.thoroughbredarmco.com/product/1004/ |
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Originally Posted By JSPA: I’ve never owned a BCM. Heard they’re good but I just hate that big-ass logo on the side. I do like the PSA FN CHF barrels so maybe look at those. Colt has theirs for sale now and again but I haven’t checked on price/availability in a while. Not only is there the logo (which is easily blacked out), but on the upper I recently received, I discovered they now have star forged / stamped into the upper where the forge mark normally goes. If you're going for even a somewhat close-ish A4 clone, something to keep in mind. I promptly tore down my $600 BCM upper and threw the barrel on an FN A4 upper I had. |
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