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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - KeyMod vs. M-LOK (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 7/10/2016 1:54:24 AM EDT
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I have narrowed down the search for my first AR purchase but there are still a few things I want to clear up before I make a final decision.
I'm looking at two different Daniel Defense rifles (among a couple other brands). The DDm4 V11 which features a KeyMod rail and the DDm4 V7 which features the M-LOK system. In your experience, which is best? Is one more common than the other when it comes to finding attachment accessories? Is one more secure or more convenient? All feedback is appreciated! |
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In addition, where can I find these things?!
I've looked for local dealers and at several websites and no one has anything in stock! The other rifle I'm looking at is the BCM RECCE 16 KMR-A and I can't find that either. Does it come down to a waiting game for the companies to manufacture more? If anyone know of a website that has these in stock so I can get one sent to a local gun shop that would be awesome! |
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Something tells me the KeyMod style runs somewhat cooler due to radiated heat missing the handguard everywhere that larger hole is, then flying off into space. Quoted:
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I've been Keymod for several years now, and if I were to do another rail I'd do M-LOK. Something tells me the KeyMod style runs somewhat cooler due to radiated heat missing the handguard everywhere that larger hole is, then flying off into space. Well Arizona summers are a poor baseline for heat performance. In absolute terms, perhaps. In relative terms, there's no difference - thin aluminum can't dissipate heat as fast as your hand can feel it. But M-LOK has better mounting options. Just waiting for Larue to get in the rail game a la Geissele... |
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I'll respond to your second question which is probably what you really want to know.
Unfortunately it is a waiting game due to the horrible condition this country is in currently. Probably won't get any better until after Nov and that's only if a certain individual is defeated. Right now just buying basic parts for future builds is showing "out of stock". And you are looking to buy the latest top line fancy rig. Good luck on that. Until you start seeing the basic entry level guns back in stock I would use the time to read up and learn all you can. Not trying to throw cold water, just letting you know the state of things. The AR is a great hobby and a fun platform, but you have to learn to play the game. BTW you prob already are figuring this out but there is a reason many enter the "build it yourself" sect of this hobby. AR lovers are not just machine shop workers. : ) |
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I would say look at ALG rails. Good price and well made. And easiest mounting for a FF I love ALG tubes. +1 Geissele/ALG did their homework and knocked it out of the park. Bombproof and simple mounting method (no torque wrench needed), inexpensive (got mine for $150 new), and well made/machined/ano'ed. The 13 inch V3 isn't the lightest (13 oz with all hardware) but I'm pretty sure you could use it as a tire chalk for an 18 wheeler. 
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Ive never had a single keymod accessory come loose on its own, Ive never had a single M-lok accessory come loose on its own
Dont know why there is a new thread about this every other day, I would not lose too much sleep over it. I have the DD M4V11 and its awesome, im sure the DD M4V7 gen 2 is awesome as well. Go with whatever is more visually appealing to you and feels better in your hand. |
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There were a few articles, back in January, that showed, based on sales, M-LOK was outselling keymod about 3 to 1.
That was back in January. Now the gap is most likely even bigger. Then, if you look at foreign companies, that offer products to military, you notice that most of them completely jumped from picatini straight to M-LOK, completely bypassing keymod. BCM is the only company that refuses to make M-LOK handguards and i think they lost millions in sales for not making the M-LOK version of their KMR. 
There's alost zero reason, for someone starting now, to go keymod. |
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There were a few articles, back in January, that showed, based on sales, M-LOK was outselling keymod about 3 to 1. That was back in January. Now the gap is most likely even bigger. Then, if you look at foreign companies, that offer products to military, you notice that most of them completely jumped from picatini straight to M-LOK, completely bypassing keymod. BCM is the only company that refuses to make M-LOK handguards and i think they lost millions in sales for not making the M-LOK version of their KMR.
There's alost zero reason, for someone starting now, to go keymod. This right here. I'd be all over an mlok kmr-a |
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The answer is clear if you're just going to mount a few things on pic rails... . . . . 1913 Pic rail hand guard where it only has the rails on the end of the hand guard. That is what I am doing. Nothing on the tube (aside from a rail down the top) except for a few rail sections bolted at the end so I can mount a sling and a bipod. |
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There's alost zero reason, for someone starting now, to go keymod. Mehhh.............straight opinion I like a lot of keymod offerings better then M-Lok offerings for the same category of parts. There is absolutely NOTHING one of them does the other does not, its all personal preference in the accessories offered for each mounting system |
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+1 Geissele/ALG did their homework and knocked it out of the park. Bombproof and simple mounting method (no torque wrench needed), inexpensive (got mine for $150 new), and well made/machined/ano'ed. The 13 inch V3 isn't the lightest (13 oz with all hardware) but I'm pretty sure you could use it as a tire chalk for an 18 wheeler. http://i63.tinypic.com/aelb29.jpg Quoted:
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I would say look at ALG rails. Good price and well made. And easiest mounting for a FF I love ALG tubes. +1 Geissele/ALG did their homework and knocked it out of the park. Bombproof and simple mounting method (no torque wrench needed), inexpensive (got mine for $150 new), and well made/machined/ano'ed. The 13 inch V3 isn't the lightest (13 oz with all hardware) but I'm pretty sure you could use it as a tire chalk for an 18 wheeler. http://i63.tinypic.com/aelb29.jpg For a "budget" hand-guard, Geisele/ALG really did seem to get everything right. I just might have to try one on my next build. ... |
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Mehhh.............straight opinion I like a lot of keymod offerings better then M-Lok offerings for the same category of parts. There is absolutely NOTHING one of them does the other does not, its all personal preference in the accessories offered for each mounting system Quoted:
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There's alost zero reason, for someone starting now, to go keymod. Mehhh.............straight opinion I like a lot of keymod offerings better then M-Lok offerings for the same category of parts. There is absolutely NOTHING one of them does the other does not, its all personal preference in the accessories offered for each mounting system Keymod was out for how many years now and you never see them at international military trade shows. M-LOK is out for two years and a lot of big names already have M-LOK compatible firearms on the military market. That right there should tell you witch standard is more future proof. Heck even the Russians are going for it: 
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Keymod was out for how many years now and you never see them at international military trade shows. M-LOK is out for two years and a lot of big names already have M-LOK compatible firearms on the military market. That right there should tell you witch standard is more future proof. Heck even the Russians are going for it: http://i.imgur.com/RazSX6O.jpg Quoted:
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There's alost zero reason, for someone starting now, to go keymod. Mehhh.............straight opinion I like a lot of keymod offerings better then M-Lok offerings for the same category of parts. There is absolutely NOTHING one of them does the other does not, its all personal preference in the accessories offered for each mounting system Keymod was out for how many years now and you never see them at international military trade shows. M-LOK is out for two years and a lot of big names already have M-LOK compatible firearms on the military market. That right there should tell you witch standard is more future proof. Heck even the Russians are going for it: http://i.imgur.com/RazSX6O.jpg M-lok still does absolutely nothing keymod doesnt, so yet again, personal preference. Only difference is, M-Lok is marketed by Magpul with a heavy industry presence, hence its popularity. Other then a light and a handstop, im personally not planning on mounting anything else to my hand guard so I dont care if in the future a 6" 4K HDTV comes out in M-lok or a M-lok refrigerator |
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M-lok still does absolutely nothing keymod doesnt, so yet again, personal preference. Only difference is, M-Lok is marketed by Magpul with a heavy industry presence, hence its popularity. Other then a light and a handstop, im personally not planning on mounting anything else to my hand guard so I dont care if in the future a 6" 4K HDTV comes out in M-lok or a M-lok refrigerator Quoted:
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There's alost zero reason, for someone starting now, to go keymod. Mehhh.............straight opinion I like a lot of keymod offerings better then M-Lok offerings for the same category of parts. There is absolutely NOTHING one of them does the other does not, its all personal preference in the accessories offered for each mounting system Keymod was out for how many years now and you never see them at international military trade shows. M-LOK is out for two years and a lot of big names already have M-LOK compatible firearms on the military market. That right there should tell you witch standard is more future proof. Heck even the Russians are going for it: http://i.imgur.com/RazSX6O.jpg M-lok still does absolutely nothing keymod doesnt, so yet again, personal preference. Only difference is, M-Lok is marketed by Magpul with a heavy industry presence, hence its popularity. Other then a light and a handstop, im personally not planning on mounting anything else to my hand guard so I dont care if in the future a 6" 4K HDTV comes out in M-lok or a M-lok refrigerator That's true buts it's simpler to use and cheaper to make. There are threads of guys installing keymod stuff backward and buggering up interface. No way .mil would let joe use keymod. Mlok will "win" through economics and attrition. BCM is the last holdout. |
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There were a few articles, back in January, that showed, based on sales, M-LOK was outselling keymod about 3 to 1. That was back in January. Now the gap is most likely even bigger. Then, if you look at foreign companies, that offer products to military, you notice that most of them completely jumped from picatini straight to M-LOK, completely bypassing keymod. BCM is the only company that refuses to make M-LOK handguards and i think they lost millions in sales for not making the M-LOK version of their KMR.
There's alost zero reason, for someone starting now, to go keymod. The answer I got not too long ago from one of the large wholesalers/distributors is different from the "article" ... so YMMV. |
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Keymod. The M-Lock looks like what a dipshit running a CNC machine would make. Boringly plain |
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Im a big Magpul fan, but their vertical grip sucks. Cheap. Thin and no storage. I also think it is way easier to mount stuff to keymod. Better design. |
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And keymod looks like what a dipshit would do with a CNC after staring at warehouse shelving all day and lacks any creativity at all. Tacky and ugly that looks disgusting to put on a rifle. Quoted:
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Keymod. The M-Lock looks like what a dipshit running a CNC machine would make. Boringly plain lmao........Im pretty sure your handguard looks like shit..........rectangles cut out of it........ground breaking! Definitely not boring and plain! hahah |
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lmao........Im pretty sure your handguard looks like shit..........rectangles cut out of it........ground breaking! Definitely not boring and plain! hahah Quoted:
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Keymod. The M-Lock looks like what a dipshit running a CNC machine would make. Boringly plain lmao........Im pretty sure your handguard looks like shit..........rectangles cut out of it........ground breaking! Definitely not boring and plain! hahah Your fanboi crush looks horrible. Ground breaking using warehouse technology from the 20's. Definitely not creative and tacky. |
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Following me from thread to thread eh? LMAO, what a childish person you are losing your emotions and having a temper tantrum over this in two different thread on the same subject. Your fanboi crush looks horrible. Ground breaking using warehouse technology from the 20's. Definitely not creative and tacky. Quoted:
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Keymod. The M-Lock looks like what a dipshit running a CNC machine would make. Boringly plain lmao........Im pretty sure your handguard looks like shit..........rectangles cut out of it........ground breaking! Definitely not boring and plain! hahah Your fanboi crush looks horrible. Ground breaking using warehouse technology from the 20's. Definitely not creative and tacky. Ive been in both threads way before you. Now get back to the topic...............post your hand guard so OP can see what it looks like, it may sway him or her one way vs the other |
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Ive been in both threads way before you. Now get back to the topic...............post your hand guard so OP can see what it looks like, it may sway him or her one way vs the other Quoted:
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Keymod. The M-Lock looks like what a dipshit running a CNC machine would make. Boringly plain lmao........Im pretty sure your handguard looks like shit..........rectangles cut out of it........ground breaking! Definitely not boring and plain! hahah Your fanboi crush looks horrible. Ground breaking using warehouse technology from the 20's. Definitely not creative and tacky. Ive been in both threads way before you. Now get back to the topic...............post your hand guard so OP can see what it looks like, it may sway him or her one way vs the other 
The topic was lost the moment your sophomoric posting started to derail it with attacks and insults. |
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Let's keep it civil guys.
Sub - if you already have keymod I would not replace it, especially if you like the aesthetics better. Long term - Mlok will edge out keymod because it's a tad simpler to use (keymod is directional and Mlok is not) and cheaper/quicker machine. Does keymod work? Yes. But they all work (keymod, quad rail, Mlok). The drivers are gonna be cost to mfg and weight. Keymod was a huge improvement over quad rails; and Mlok is a small improvement over keymod. But small cost savings add up. That is why you are seeing more manufactures migrating to Mlok. Keymod will always have support / options with someone like BCM still advocating it - but long term mloks will be dominant. Personally ... I think Mlok looks better too but that's not as material. It may be helping to drive the higher mlok sales though. To OP - it you have keymod, keep it. If you're starting out ... Mlok is the way to go. |
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To OP - it you have keymod, keep it. If you're starting out ... Mlok is the way to go. Mimics the point I made up top, and I wholly agree. As I said, I have no real gripe about my Noveske NSR Keymod, but eventually when I do another rail it'll be a Centurion M-LOK CMR...best-looking M-LOK rail on the market, IMO, and I would like QD options that Keymod doesn't provide so that I can change my setup with a bit less time. |
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BCM is the only company that refuses to make M-LOK handguards and i think they lost millions in sales for not making the M-LOK version of their KMR. There's alost zero reason, for someone starting now, to go keymod. "KMR" is short for Key Mod Rail... I just went with Key mod, b/c BCM... |
[ARCHIVED THREAD] - KeyMod vs. M-LOK (Page 1 of 3)
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