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Link Posted: 1/7/2022 9:11:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Bjd96] [#1]
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Originally Posted By msgriff:

There was a thread here recently where someone posted his concerns about a deep groove machined inside the extension about where yours broke. IIRC, the manufacturer said it was a defect and replaced the barrel/extension.
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Actually that was me, and Geissele customer service keeps telling me it’s normal for a hard use rifle LOL.  I will never buy shit from geissele again and will post a new thread tomorrow with screenshots of their bullshit.

Edit: I paid shipping to send it to them just for them to tell me they will be sending it back in the same condition.
Link Posted: 1/9/2022 8:33:31 PM EDT
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Had a similar experience with Geissele not wanting to stand behind their trigger that wouldn't reset.  
That and the shenanigans they've pulled over the years, won't see a dime from me.  Lyin' Bendy Ben can keep it.
Link Posted: 1/9/2022 8:35:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By olds442tyguy:


Glock fans might want to pretend it doesn’t exist though.
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Only if you lack reading comprehension or perspective  🙄
Link Posted: 1/10/2022 9:06:21 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Holdemdown:

Only if you lack reading comprehension or perspective  🙄
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Originally Posted By Holdemdown:

Only if you lack reading comprehension or perspective  🙄

There’s no need for insults, so I’ll provide you with assistance. I can understand the confusion since he opens stating that Glocks are the most reliable, then says they are the lowest round count to failure big brand pistols they use, and makes it clear they have problems. I’m kind of confused by that too, seeing as he mentions hundreds of thousands of rounds through P226’s, M9’s, USP’s, and even Caniks. Yet Glock is far and away the most breakage prone based on his own provided data.

It would make sense that they get the most rentals, but that doesn’t excuse the short service intervals. I digress though since this topic is about rifles and I’m not a big fan of the whole emotional response thing.

Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
In my opinion, it's not the ammunition. We've used this ammo with all the various platforms and other pistols with no other signs of premature wear or failure. I honestly can't tell the difference between a Gen 3 and Gen 4 but my staff are telling me that the Gen 4's are going down faster than the other models did previously. Since the all the slides are cracking at almost the exact same spot, I would say in my non-professional opinion, that there has to be some sort of weak link there. In the big scheme of things, the weapon continues to fire (even when the frame cracks at the ejection port) even though it suffers a crack in the slide. These guns get used all day, every day and they get used a lot so it's hard for me to determine what's actually causing the problem. By swapping the springs out at three weeks, we will see if that helps with the reductions of cracks in the slide. I will definitely keep you folks posted.

V/R
Ron



Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
I will get some more data from the staff but I can tell you from looking at the pile of broken pistols, the Glock Gen 4's are not holding up like before. I don't what it is or what's causing it (we are changing springs all the time in hopes of solving the issue) but we slides are cracking on the left, rear portion of the weapon almost in the exact same spot every single time. Before, it was the Sig P226 with the trigger spring breaking but that was an easy fix. The Glocks have to have the slides sent back to the factory. Even my "Glock guys" have noticed how often and SOON they are failing.
V/R

Ron


Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Lastly, I don't know if I mentioned this or not but the last Glock we had suffer a crack to the rear left side of the rear slide was only on the line for three months.
V/R

Ron






Link Posted: 1/10/2022 9:50:35 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By olds442tyguy:

There’s no need for insults, so I’ll provide you with assistance. I can understand the confusion since he opens stating that Glocks are the most reliable, then says they are the lowest round count to failure big brand pistols they use, and makes it clear they have problems. I’m kind of confused by that too, seeing as he mentions hundreds of thousands of rounds through P226’s, M9’s, USP’s, and even Caniks. Yet Glock is far and away the most breakage prone based on his own provided data.

It would make sense that they get the most rentals, but that doesn’t excuse the short service intervals. I digress though since this topic is about rifles and I’m not a big fan of the whole emotional response thing.
http://i.imgur.com/XIgppci.jpg
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Originally Posted By olds442tyguy:
Originally Posted By Holdemdown:

Only if you lack reading comprehension or perspective  🙄

There’s no need for insults, so I’ll provide you with assistance. I can understand the confusion since he opens stating that Glocks are the most reliable, then says they are the lowest round count to failure big brand pistols they use, and makes it clear they have problems. I’m kind of confused by that too, seeing as he mentions hundreds of thousands of rounds through P226’s, M9’s, USP’s, and even Caniks. Yet Glock is far and away the most breakage prone based on his own provided data.

It would make sense that they get the most rentals, but that doesn’t excuse the short service intervals. I digress though since this topic is about rifles and I’m not a big fan of the whole emotional response thing.

Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
In my opinion, it's not the ammunition. We've used this ammo with all the various platforms and other pistols with no other signs of premature wear or failure. I honestly can't tell the difference between a Gen 3 and Gen 4 but my staff are telling me that the Gen 4's are going down faster than the other models did previously. Since the all the slides are cracking at almost the exact same spot, I would say in my non-professional opinion, that there has to be some sort of weak link there. In the big scheme of things, the weapon continues to fire (even when the frame cracks at the ejection port) even though it suffers a crack in the slide. These guns get used all day, every day and they get used a lot so it's hard for me to determine what's actually causing the problem. By swapping the springs out at three weeks, we will see if that helps with the reductions of cracks in the slide. I will definitely keep you folks posted.

V/R
Ron



Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
I will get some more data from the staff but I can tell you from looking at the pile of broken pistols, the Glock Gen 4's are not holding up like before. I don't what it is or what's causing it (we are changing springs all the time in hopes of solving the issue) but we slides are cracking on the left, rear portion of the weapon almost in the exact same spot every single time. Before, it was the Sig P226 with the trigger spring breaking but that was an easy fix. The Glocks have to have the slides sent back to the factory. Even my "Glock guys" have noticed how often and SOON they are failing.
V/R

Ron


Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Lastly, I don't know if I mentioned this or not but the last Glock we had suffer a crack to the rear left side of the rear slide was only on the line for three months.
V/R

Ron


http://i.imgur.com/XIgppci.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EVIvVkv.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/n0UTVbH.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/iSQYkDl.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/GUD3fg2.jpg?1

Well, that's a shitter.
Link Posted: 1/10/2022 10:09:54 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By olds442tyguy:

There’s no need for insults, so I’ll provide you with assistance. I can understand the confusion since he opens stating that Glocks are the most reliable, then says they are the lowest round count to failure big brand pistols they use, and makes it clear they have problems. I’m kind of confused by that too, seeing as he mentions hundreds of thousands of rounds through P226’s, M9’s, USP’s, and even Caniks. Yet Glock is far and away the most breakage prone based on his own provided data.

It would make sense that they get the most rentals, but that doesn’t excuse the short service intervals. I digress though since this topic is about rifles and I’m not a big fan of the whole emotional response thing.
http://i.imgur.com/XIgppci.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EVIvVkv.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/n0UTVbH.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/iSQYkDl.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/GUD3fg2.jpg?1
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Originally Posted By olds442tyguy:
Originally Posted By Holdemdown:

Only if you lack reading comprehension or perspective  🙄

There’s no need for insults, so I’ll provide you with assistance. I can understand the confusion since he opens stating that Glocks are the most reliable, then says they are the lowest round count to failure big brand pistols they use, and makes it clear they have problems. I’m kind of confused by that too, seeing as he mentions hundreds of thousands of rounds through P226’s, M9’s, USP’s, and even Caniks. Yet Glock is far and away the most breakage prone based on his own provided data.

It would make sense that they get the most rentals, but that doesn’t excuse the short service intervals. I digress though since this topic is about rifles and I’m not a big fan of the whole emotional response thing.

Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
In my opinion, it's not the ammunition. We've used this ammo with all the various platforms and other pistols with no other signs of premature wear or failure. I honestly can't tell the difference between a Gen 3 and Gen 4 but my staff are telling me that the Gen 4's are going down faster than the other models did previously. Since the all the slides are cracking at almost the exact same spot, I would say in my non-professional opinion, that there has to be some sort of weak link there. In the big scheme of things, the weapon continues to fire (even when the frame cracks at the ejection port) even though it suffers a crack in the slide. These guns get used all day, every day and they get used a lot so it's hard for me to determine what's actually causing the problem. By swapping the springs out at three weeks, we will see if that helps with the reductions of cracks in the slide. I will definitely keep you folks posted.

V/R
Ron



Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
I will get some more data from the staff but I can tell you from looking at the pile of broken pistols, the Glock Gen 4's are not holding up like before. I don't what it is or what's causing it (we are changing springs all the time in hopes of solving the issue) but we slides are cracking on the left, rear portion of the weapon almost in the exact same spot every single time. Before, it was the Sig P226 with the trigger spring breaking but that was an easy fix. The Glocks have to have the slides sent back to the factory. Even my "Glock guys" have noticed how often and SOON they are failing.
V/R

Ron


Originally Posted By HendersonDefense:
Lastly, I don't know if I mentioned this or not but the last Glock we had suffer a crack to the rear left side of the rear slide was only on the line for three months.
V/R

Ron


http://i.imgur.com/XIgppci.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EVIvVkv.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/n0UTVbH.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/iSQYkDl.jpg?1
https://i.imgur.com/GUD3fg2.jpg?1



It would be interesting to see the round counts on the glocks as compared to the other brands, do the Glock in fact get rented more? Seems like a bad batch of slides & unique to gen4’s.

Either way, the man said if he could have just one it would be a Glock. That speaks volumes imho.


Link Posted: 1/10/2022 11:40:32 AM EDT
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I do think these high round count threads are pretty interesting, but honestly if I can afford to put 75,000 rounds through a Glock I can afford to spend $5-600 to buy a new one when my frame eventually cracks.  

Also, I shoot a fair amount, but it's generally spread over a bunch of guns.  I doubt I put more than 2500 rounds through any one gun in a single year.  At that rate my Glocks (and Sigs and HK's) should last 25-30 years, by which time I'll probably be dead.
Link Posted: 1/11/2022 1:59:31 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bjd96:


Actually that was me, and Geissele customer service keeps telling me it's normal for a hard use rifle LOL.  I will never buy shit from geissele again and will post a new thread tomorrow with screenshots of their bullshit.

Edit: I paid shipping to send it to them just for them to tell me they will be sending it back in the same condition.
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Pics?

@Bjd96
Link Posted: 1/11/2022 8:11:04 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By FREEFALLE7:
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@Bjd96
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This is the thread on the G forum

https://www.ar15.com/forums/Industry/Geissele-super-duty-URG-14-5-MAJOR-CONCERNS/444-300668/
Link Posted: 1/11/2022 10:38:51 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Tigwelder1971:

Well, that's a shitter.
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I can almost see how the recoil spring loop on the front of the slide could take an extra beating.  But the sides of that slide are real puzzles.  Those cracks don’t seem to be related to anything mechanical, except the right side rear bit, which is near where the slide interacts with the connector/trigger bar.  It sure looks like a metal treatment issue rather than use and abuse.
Link Posted: 1/11/2022 11:19:34 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By GHPorter:

I can almost see how the recoil spring loop on the front of the slide could take an extra beating.  But the sides of that slide are real puzzles.  Those cracks don’t seem to be related to anything mechanical, except the right side rear bit, which is near where the slide interacts with the connector/trigger bar.  It sure looks like a metal treatment issue rather than use and abuse.
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Agreed.
Link Posted: 1/11/2022 1:18:35 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By GHPorter:

I can almost see how the recoil spring loop on the front of the slide could take an extra beating.  But the sides of that slide are real puzzles.  Those cracks don’t seem to be related to anything mechanical, except the right side rear bit, which is near where the slide interacts with the connector/trigger bar.  It sure looks like a metal treatment issue rather than use and abuse.
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They’re breaking in the slide rail channels, and looks to be right at the rear frame rail.

And despite all that and the guy being offended at my joking jab, I’m still building a P80.

The post about round counts for us lowly regular guys holds entirely true. The cost of ammo to wear out a gun exceeds the cost of the gun significantly, even before today’s prices. We of course want the longest lasting product available, but I’m not crying over spilt milk if an AR barrel wears out at 10k rounds instead of 15k. Worst and unlikely scenario is you’re paying $350 for a slide replacement after spending what, $10k on ammo? If you can afford to put that many rounds down range, you can afford to rebuild an entire gun many times over if need be.
Link Posted: 1/11/2022 3:13:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By GHPorter:

I can almost see how the recoil spring loop on the front of the slide could take an extra beating.  But the sides of that slide are real puzzles.  Those cracks don't seem to be related to anything mechanical, except the right side rear bit, which is near where the slide interacts with the connector/trigger bar.  It sure looks like a metal treatment issue rather than use and abuse.
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Didn't recoil spring loop get beefed up on the Gen5s? Maybe this is why
Link Posted: 1/11/2022 7:49:15 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/11/2022 7:49:47 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/15/2022 1:33:11 AM EDT
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Maybe I missed it,but how are bone stock colt rifles holding up?
Link Posted: 1/27/2022 2:00:03 PM EDT
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OP, I just read the entire thread.  Thanks for posting all this.
Link Posted: 2/12/2022 1:19:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mr_p7m8] [#18]
Ron, thank you for all your insight! I stayed up late reading all this. Have 2 quick questions I dunno if you covered.

1) seems like you use mostly DD or LMT BCGs, have you used PSA or Toolcraft? Do you just go with phosphate or other finishes like nitride?

2) seems like shorter than 14.5 barrels have faster bolt and spring issues. Have you tried anything to lower bolt cycling a abuse like adj gas block, heavier buffers or buffer springs etc?

Thx!
Link Posted: 3/4/2022 2:35:51 AM EDT
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Bumps
Link Posted: 3/4/2022 4:58:39 AM EDT
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great post
Link Posted: 3/27/2022 12:10:10 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By mr_p7m8:
Ron, thank you for all your insight! I stayed up late reading all this. Have 2 quick questions I dunno if you covered.

1) seems like you use mostly DD or LMT BCGs, have you used PSA or Toolcraft? Do you just go with phosphate or other finishes like nitride?

2) seems like shorter than 14.5 barrels have faster bolt and spring issues. Have you tried anything to lower bolt cycling a abuse like adj gas block, heavier buffers or buffer springs etc?

Thx!
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I’m completely open to being corrected, but I’m more than sure they aren’t jacking with adjustable gas blocks, nor would they be a good idea in this kind of service.
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