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10/25/2011 4:51:16 PM EDT
Hey guys. I made a parts list a while back and I did a bunch of research and refined my list.
Heres what ive got so far:
Spikes Tactical Zombie Lower
Rock River Arms Forged A4 Upper assembled
Yankee Hill Diamond handguard midlength
YHM 20" chrome lined barrel
Stag Arms Bolt Carrier assembled
Whatever charging handle is the best price (cheapest).
Spikes Lower parts kit

Im going to do some more searching for a stock and a grip. Im thinking Magpul.
What do you guys think?

Jake






10/25/2011 5:38:05 PM EDT
[#1]
I am thinking that lower is going to be hard to find unless Spikes starts milling them again...or you'll pay a premium price for an existing one if you find it.
Aim sold out of over 200 stripped lowers in 8 days.
10/25/2011 5:49:10 PM EDT
[#2]
I didn't know spikes stopped producing there lowers. What are some other good lowers out there?
10/25/2011 6:46:22 PM EDT
[#3]
Anyone else?
10/25/2011 7:09:38 PM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
Anyone else?


Stop what?  A fantasy build?   No way
You'll still get mileage out of this List of Part's
10/26/2011 3:06:56 AM EDT
[#5]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Anyone else?


Stop what?  A fantasy build?   No way
You'll still get mileage out of this List of Part's

What do you mean stop what and fantasy build.

10/26/2011 5:43:40 AM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
I didn't know spikes stopped producing there lowers. What are some other good lowers out there?
Spikes has not stopped producing lowers....they just do special roll marks in limited runs. Zombie/Pirate/Skulls....etc.



10/26/2011 5:51:10 AM EDT
[#7]
Are you talking about this lower? http://www.spikestactical.com/new/z/lower-multi-forged-zombie-livedead-markings-p-566.html
It's still on the website...

OP: I don't know how the RRA upper matches up with a spikes lower but you might want to think about just getting a spikes upper as well if you care about that.
10/26/2011 11:58:59 AM EDT
[#8]
Ok. This  maybe a dumb question but what is FFL?
10/26/2011 1:23:16 PM EDT
[#9]
Federal Firearms License
10/26/2011 1:27:05 PM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
Are you talking about this lower? http://www.spikestactical.com/new/z/lower-multi-forged-zombie-livedead-markings-p-566.html
It's still on the website...

OP: I don't know how the RRA upper matches up with a spikes lower but you might want to think about just getting a spikes upper as well if you care about that.


Thats the lower but not sure that they are available. Their website and the back order policy is confusing to understand. I would call before placing an order with them for it. Look at Palmetto State Armory or Surplus Arms and Ammo for a very good lower that are low shelf and priced right.

10/26/2011 1:43:09 PM EDT
[#11]
Will I have to have a FFL license to buy some of this stuff?
10/26/2011 2:38:07 PM EDT
[#12]
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Will I have to have a FFL license to buy some of this stuff?


Gunshops & some pawn stores have an FFL, and when your buying whats considered a "firearm" off the internet you have to have it shipped to someone with an FFL so that the FFL holder can perform a back ground check. This is usually called a transfer, and you are charged a small fee. In your case the stripped lower is whats considered the firearm, so you whoever you order from you will have to send a signed copy of your local gunshop's FFL to them, they mail it to your gunshop, you go by fill out some forms and around here it costs about $30 for a transfer. That is if your state doesn't have a hold period or w/e its called.
10/26/2011 2:38:32 PM EDT
[#13]
The stripped lower receiver has to be handled through a licensed fire arms dealer.
10/26/2011 6:12:28 PM EDT
[#14]
Then im guessing you have to be 18 to purchase this stuff then.
10/27/2011 10:46:23 AM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
Then im guessing you have to be 18 to purchase this stuff then.


depends on your state laws.  Usually a complete lower or complete rifle is considered a rifle and a stripped lower is considered a pistol... so in in Ohio here you have to be 18 to buy a complete lower or complete rifle and 21 to buy a stripped lower.

Think i got that right.
10/27/2011 11:53:17 AM EDT
[#16]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Then im guessing you have to be 18 to purchase this stuff then.


depends on your state laws.  Usually a complete lower or complete rifle is considered a rifle and a stripped lower is considered a pistol... so in in Ohio here you have to be 18 to buy a complete lower or complete rifle and 21 to buy a stripped lower.

Think i got that right.


You have to be 21 to purchase a complete lower because it's not considered a complete rifle. It's still categorized as other on the 4473 just like a stripped lower.
10/28/2011 9:42:42 AM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Then im guessing you have to be 18 to purchase this stuff then.


depends on your state laws.  Usually a complete lower or complete rifle is considered a rifle and a stripped lower is considered a pistol... so in in Ohio here you have to be 18 to buy a complete lower or complete rifle and 21 to buy a stripped lower.

Think i got that right.


You have to be 21 to purchase a complete lower because it's not considered a complete rifle. It's still categorized as other on the 4473 just like a stripped lower.


Weird.  I could have sworn that a complete lower was classified as a rifle.  Which is what makes it ok for a non resident to purchase it at a gun shop without shipping it home, if you are in another state.  Also what makes it ok to ship person to person without an FFL if you are both in the same state.  

This info is probably in the legal section somewhere for sure.
10/28/2011 9:56:55 AM EDT
[#18]
spikes will have lowers available again is 2-3 weeks.  per a phone convo i had yesterday
10/28/2011 10:25:39 AM EDT
[#19]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Then im guessing you have to be 18 to purchase this stuff then.


depends on your state laws.  Usually a complete lower or complete rifle is considered a rifle and a stripped lower is considered a pistol... so in in Ohio here you have to be 18 to buy a complete lower or complete rifle and 21 to buy a stripped lower.

Think i got that right.


You have to be 21 to purchase a complete lower because it's not considered a complete rifle. It's still categorized as other on the 4473 just like a stripped lower.


Weird.  I could have sworn that a complete lower was classified as a rifle.  Which is what makes it ok for a non resident to purchase it at a gun shop without shipping it home, if you are in another state.  Also what makes it ok to ship person to person without an FFL if you are both in the same state.  

This info is probably in the legal section somewhere for sure.


It's not. As a side, you can take possession of a complete lower & make it a pistol just as you can with a virgin stripped lower as well.
10/28/2011 3:09:42 PM EDT
[#20]
Well that sucks guys. I'm not old enough.
10/28/2011 5:37:48 PM EDT
[#21]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Anyone else?


Stop what?  A fantasy build?   No way
You'll still get mileage out of this List of Part's


When you are old enoughh, this will suck less.

And you may get your Fantasy build
10/28/2011 5:41:03 PM EDT
[#22]
I could do it. I just would get my Grandpa or dad to buy the part and me pay them back. What all parts require the FFL? Because I noticed that barrels don't.
10/28/2011 5:53:02 PM EDT
[#23]
The receiver
10/28/2011 6:09:18 PM EDT
[#24]
So just the upper and lower receivers? Or all the parts that make them up?
10/28/2011 6:33:34 PM EDT
[#25]
The lower receiver has to go to an FFL.
10/28/2011 6:49:50 PM EDT
[#26]
Oh ok. So it's just the lower.
10/29/2011 4:12:22 AM EDT
[#27]
What do you guys think about my barrel choice? There so many barrels out there that I didn't know what was good and bad.
10/29/2011 6:38:56 AM EDT
[#28]
Quoted:
What do you guys think about my barrel choice? There so many barrels out there that I didn't know what was good and bad.


Regular run of the mill barrel.  Nothing bad about it, nothing to write home about.

I would suggest getting a lightweight profile.
10/29/2011 7:56:56 AM EDT
[#29]
Why lightweight?
10/29/2011 8:20:59 AM EDT
[#30]
I would look at this complete upper.
CORE15
10/29/2011 8:23:07 AM EDT
[#31]
I really don't want a complete upper. I'd rather build it up.
10/29/2011 8:51:31 AM EDT
[#32]
Quoted:
Why lightweight?


Ounces equal pounds and pounds equal pain.

Seriously, whenever you start really practicing with your AR and trying to improve your shooting, whenever you start taking it hunting or hiking, or even when you are just starting out and trying to learn how to shoot offhand lightweight always wins.

What you have to consider is your WHOLE loadout, if you only have one AR and it is your first and you want it to do all you need to consider weight more than anything.  

Consider the weight of your optics and mount added to the unloaded rifle weight
Then any rail covers you need to put on to cover your quad rail (which btw the diamond hand guard is SHARP and softer aluminum, it NEEDS rail covers, also it is wide and rail covers will add even more bulk to it)
Then consider weight of iron sights
Then consider the weight of flashlight/laser/vertical grip/bipod.... i mean you have a quad rail right, you need to use all of those rails or your rails are just weight with no purpose.
Then consider the weight of your stock (keep in mind with a long 20" barrel and a heavy hand guard and optics and all of that stuff you need on your rail to justify it is going to make your rifle very front heavy, so you need an appropriate heavy weight stock to balance all of that
Then consider the weight of your fully loaded magazine
Consider the weight of your muzzle device of choice
Consider the weight and profile (how the weight is distributed) of your barrel

Add all of those ounces up.  You get to 12lbs really quick.  And if it is balanced wrong then it feels like 20lbs.  

It may not seem like much but when you are on the line and trying to do all of the things it takes to become a consistent and good shooter your arms will start to get tired fast.  

My base rifle is 6.25lbs unloaded and I have extra stuff I don't "need." The only thing I need to add to my weight equation is iron sights and a loaded mag.  I just bought a $900 scope that I don't even like to put on because it adds to my weight.  

Besides, if you get a light weight barrel now then later on after you realize that you want a lightweight rifle then it is one thing less you need to replace



10/29/2011 8:58:45 AM EDT
[#33]
Thanks for explaining it for me. I never thought about it like that.
10/29/2011 2:45:21 PM EDT
[#34]
Doesn't the handguard have rails?
10/29/2011 6:39:51 PM EDT
[#35]
jlang, you should go to a book store and get a book on the AR 15. You clearly are interested and that's awesome, but we can't hand feed you everything. When I built my first rifle I didn't know crap about ARs, but It's a fairly easy system to learn and thus an easy system to maintain. Just do some research through books, google searches, etc, because every answer is out there. If you build a quality one and keep it clean and lubed, youre g2g my friend, GTG.
10/29/2011 7:42:38 PM EDT
[#36]
Alright. What are some good books? Because I would like to know more about the AR before I start my build.
10/29/2011 8:52:28 PM EDT
[#37]
Start with TM-23
10/30/2011 4:10:23 AM EDT
[#38]
Whats TM-23?
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