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Here is an updated picture.
I did some work on the SCR and added a new stock which I had to modify slightly with some dremel work and filing/sand paper and installed my Radian Raptor ambidex charging handle. For those of you who are looking for an Ambidex mag release, DO NOT buy the Troy mag release. The downward motion that the Troy mag release employs does not work because the lip on the mag well gets in the way. I think the best option would probably the Knight's Armament. 
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Originally Posted By ohms139:
Here is an updated picture. I did some work on the SCR and added a new stock which I had to modify slightly with some dremel work and filing/sand paper and installed my Radian Raptor ambidex charging handle. For those of you who are looking for an Ambidex mag release, DO NOT buy the Troy mag release. The downward motion that the Troy mag release employs does not work because the lip on the mag well gets in the way. I think the best option would probably the Knight's Armament. https://imageshack.com/a/img922/3518/mz1SPz.jpg still cant find one in wood for a good price :-\ |
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Been reading through this thread for a while and I'm thinking of diving into a SCR.
I think that a 300BO pistol will be what I put together. I'm trying to figure out which upper to use. I would like to find a side charging upper with a non-reciprocating handle. Which would you recommend? Why? |
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Originally Posted By d13s3l:
ive been eyeing a stock like that for a while now. looks great still cant find one in wood for a good price :-\ The spring and padding will come in handy when I get my .458 SOCOM upper since NY Safe Act garbage will prevent me from having a muzzle brake. I still can't find any info on a .458 SOCOM BCG for the Ares; I'm assuming that I may have to get a standard .458 SOCOM BCG and cut it down and tap holes for the rat tail. |
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Originally Posted By Tim_in_CO:
Been reading through this thread for a while and I'm thinking of diving into a SCR. I think that a 300BO pistol will be what I put together. I'm trying to figure out which upper to use. I would like to find a side charging upper with a non-reciprocating handle. Which would you recommend? Why? |
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Originally Posted By airmandaniel:
So what would be the consensus on putting one of the new Brownells 180 uppers on an SCR lower? Edit: From the looks of the video on the Brownell's site it has the same takedown pin mounts as a typical AR lower so you should be good as long as the SCR BCG will work. |
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This is what I'm referring to.
https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/receivers/upper-receivers/brn-180-ar-15-complete-upper-receiver-assembly-prod122861.aspx?avs%7cManufacturer_1=brownells It does not take a typical AR bolt assembly, no need for a buffer tube, so theoretically you should be able to use it on an SCR lower. |
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Originally Posted By airmandaniel:
This is what I'm referring to. https://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts/receiver-parts/receivers/upper-receivers/brn-180-ar-15-complete-upper-receiver-assembly-prod122861.aspx?avs%7cManufacturer_1=brownells It does not take a typical AR bolt assembly, no need for a buffer tube, so theoretically you should be able to use it on an SCR lower. So from what I can see, no the BRN-180 upper will not fit the SCR without significant modification. Since the SCR buffer system is not needed, one could remove the buffer and spring, and machine a cavity/relief in the lower to accept the BRN-180 upper. See this image of the protrusion I am referencing: 
Image source: https://youtu.be/FI2ihW6NQRA |
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Originally Posted By JWilliamG: Theoretically, this is correct. However, there is a protrusion on the back of the upper (the end cap or buffer that has the two guide rods and springs). The protrusion is essentially the same as having a regular bolt carrier in the upper. If you've ever tried to close an normal AR upper and BCG on an SCR, you know that the BCG prevents the upper from closing fully. So from what I can see, no the BRN-180 upper will not fit the SCR without significant modification. Since the SCR buffer system is not needed, one could remove the buffer and spring, and machine a cavity/relief in the lower to accept the BRN-180 upper. See this image of the protrusion I am referencing: https://i.imgur.com/BfpPsWI.jpg Image source: https://youtu.be/FI2ihW6NQRA |
| Law tactical is doing a self contained bolt carrier setup like the AR180 bolt that might work with the SCR lower too with some work. That's my plan with my lower, then machine a plug to replace the action tube to accept a stock bolt, then add a Magpul 870 stock. Boom.... |
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Originally Posted By airmandaniel:
Yeah I saw that. I was thinking that since the end cap is polymer with the guide rods imbedded, it would not be hard to make a new polymer piece that is shaped to fit. |
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Originally Posted By BradN:
Law tactical is doing a self contained bolt carrier setup like the AR180 bolt that might work with the SCR lower too with some work. That's my plan with my lower, then machine a plug to replace the action tube to accept a stock bolt, then add a Magpul 870 stock. Boom.... |
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Originally Posted By RDTCU:
Needs the extra length of their folding adapter to function. Not a bad concept though. I agree but I'd like to see it work with a Magpul stock. Either the law tactical one or the ar180 upper. I've been tinkering with an upper like your zm weapons inspired one too. I want a side charging upper instead of the rear charging handle though. |
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Originally Posted By Tim_in_CO:
Been reading through this thread for a while and I'm thinking of diving into a SCR. I think that a 300BO pistol will be what I put together. I'm trying to figure out which upper to use. I would like to find a side charging upper with a non-reciprocating handle. Which would you recommend? Why? I just checked and they are rebuilding their website so nothing worth linking to. |
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Originally Posted By Tim_in_CO:
Been reading through this thread for a while and I'm thinking of diving into a SCR. I think that a 300BO pistol will be what I put together. I'm trying to figure out which upper to use. I would like to find a side charging upper with a non-reciprocating handle. Which would you recommend? Why? |
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If you find a source for Matrix Side Chargers please let me know. I need another.
On modifying certain uppers/BCG's for SCR lowers, just had to do this for a M261 .22 subcaliber device. Used a belt sander to radius the rear bottom edge of the M261 "carrier" to close on the SCR lower. Photo to follow... |
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So, you have a .22 lr converted SCR now? And the recoil system is self-contained within the upper receiver?
Please show more. 
Edit: I know that M261 is a drop-in conversion, so assume that this can be swapped back-and-forth. |
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Originally Posted By CarpNY: So, you have a .22 lr converted SCR now? And the recoil system is self-contained within the upper receiver? Please show more.
Edit: I know that M261 is a drop-in conversion, so assume that this can be swapped back-and-forth. I will let you know. |
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Originally Posted By Tim_in_CO:
Been reading through this thread for a while and I'm thinking of diving into a SCR. I think that a 300BO pistol will be what I put together. I'm trying to figure out which upper to use. I would like to find a side charging upper with a non-reciprocating handle. Which would you recommend? Why? For the SCR, I much prefer a right side reciprocating side charger. The ergonomics are intuitive, and the handling is so natural. The drill and tap is easy. I did mine with a drill press and hand tap. If you have a modicum of shop skill its not hard. Heres how I did it. Dupe pic but whatever. Attached File Eta: if youre dead set on a non-reciprocating; I love ASA but since they closed shop a Gibbz C4 is a hot ticket. |
My LH SCR project was just completed. Modified Stag LH carrier to replicate the SCR carrier, Gibbz LH SCU, Remington 1100 stock/matching walnut forend, Leupold VX-3i, Wilson Combat Recon SS barrel, Fortis Night Rail MLOK. First range test was good, about 40 rounds to verify function, tune gas block, and zero scope.
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Originally Posted By 70runner:
My LH SCR project was just completed. Modified Stag LH carrier to replicate the SCR carrier, Gibbz LH SCU, Remington 1100 stock/matching walnut forend, Leupold VX-3i, Wilson Combat Recon SS barrel, Fortis Night Rail MLOK. First range test was good, about 40 rounds to verify function, tune gas block, and zero scope. https://i.imgur.com/IXvILPA.jpg?1 https://i.imgur.com/dG12CwO.jpg?1 |
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Originally Posted By doc_Zox:
So Jesse James got a license to make his clone? Last I heard the flightlite guys discovered his efforts at shotshow https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/3097/A463AAEA-8B46-4DE4-86AA-CBEF87FD098D-764550.jpg Under the general terms of the Agreement, Jesse James is licensed and authorized by ARES Defense to manufacture and sell rifles that rely on some of the technology and the patent common to the ARES Defense and FightLite Industries SCR (Sport Configurable Rifle). "Jesse James has a very unique and creative style to his artwork and products whether they're motorcycles, cutlery or firearms. So when he approached us with an interest in building rifles that rely on our patent and technology, we were very excited to see what custom models he would come up with and we haven't been disappointed with the rifle that he calls the "Nomad Califas" first introduced at SHOT Show 2017" said Geoffrey Herring, President-CEO. "Jesse's selection of materials, product styling and attention to detail is second to none in the custom firearms world as expressed by his many beautiful creations such as his "Skulls" Cisco Especial, "Kingdom of Shadows" Cisco 1911 and most recently his "Bishop" Cisco 1911 pistols set in their custom live edge presentation box. It will be exciting to watch the custom series of Nomad Califas rifles evolve from his imagination and into finished pieces of art that you can still take to the outdoors and shoot." |
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Originally Posted By 70runner:
Modified Stag LH carrier to replicate the SCR carrier 
I always wondered if a standard carrier could be modified to work in the SCR. If that's what you've done, please post some component shots. |
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Originally Posted By CarpNY:
You can't just throw something like that out there without detailed pics.
I always wondered if a standard carrier could be modified to work in the SCR. If that's what you've done, please post some component shots. Originally Posted By CarpNY:
Originally Posted By 70runner:
Modified Stag LH carrier to replicate the SCR carrier
I always wondered if a standard carrier could be modified to work in the SCR. If that's what you've done, please post some component shots. 
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Originally Posted By ohms139:
For those of you who are looking for an Ambidex mag release, DO NOT buy the Troy mag release. The downward motion that the Troy mag release employs does not work because the lip on the mag well gets in the way. I think the best option would probably the Knight's Armament. 
Been meaning to share my set up for a while, just occurred to me that I've never gotten around to posting here before. Sorry, cranked up the exposure on my phone so that you could actually see detail, the lighting in that room sucks 
Ares SCR lower (duh) Remington 1100 stock (I think it might actually have belonged to a 16ga) Matrix aerospace side charge upper (group buy on NES almost 3 years ago, wish I'd bought more than one) 16" BCA 6.5 grendel barrel Vortex crossfire II 4-12 It started out as just a monte carlo lower, bought a 20" radical firearms 6.5 grendel upper for it. switched to the side charge, switched to a nordic forearm, switched to a shorter barrel, switched to the current forearm. Thinking about an 18" barrel, just for balance, but this 16" shoots damn well with the hornady 123 ELD-M. Has 6 or so deer to its name, including my first buck. Next step is either finding a way to get the scope lower or putting a cheek riser on it, the scope is probably 1/4-3/8" or so higher than I'd really like |
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Originally Posted By CarpNY: You can't just throw something like that out there without detailed pics.
I always wondered if a standard carrier could be modified to work in the SCR. If that's what you've done, please post some component shots. 
Biggest challenge was location of strut pivot holes. The SCR carrier has some reinforcement around the pivot holes which doesn't exist on the Stag. Machinist who did it for me said he could move the hole location up at bit, ~.030, to gain a bit of reinforcement. I was concerned about FP clearance. He said he could machine the FP if needed. He ended up raising the holes about .010, relative to the SCR, so no FP milling was necessary. In this pic you can see the reinforcement. 
The difference in reinforcement around the pivot pin holes remains an area of concern in terms of long term viability. One suggestion was to build up the Stag area with a welder. The machinist said he'd worry about the effect this would have on the carrier's hardened steel. The force applied to the pivot hole by the pivot pin is maximum at gas expansion, against the forward semicircle of the pivot hole. This area on the Stag is comparable to the SCR. I contacted Fightlite about the reinforced area, but they wouldn't let me talk to their engineer. Anyway, after about 50 rounds I don't see any signs of deformity in the Stag carrier around the pin holes as yet. 
Here's the Stag with strut. 
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Originally Posted By 70runner: That's precisely what was done, with the help of a retired machinist who has a garage full of Bridgeports and such. Here's the dissected Stag. https://i.imgur.com/fhxQ4Cg.jpg?1 Biggest challenge was location of strut pivot holes. The SCR carrier has some reinforcement around the pivot holes which doesn't exist on the Stag. Machinist who did it for me said he could move the hole location up at bit, ~.030, to gain a bit of reinforcement. I was concerned about FP clearance. He said he could machine the FP if needed. He ended up raising the holes about .010, relative to the SCR, so no FP milling was necessary. In this pic you can see the reinforcement. https://i.imgur.com/c4H2QEq.jpg?2 The difference in reinforcement around the pivot pin holes remains an area of concern in terms of long term viability. One suggestion was to build up the Stag area with a welder. The machinist said he'd worry about the effect this would have on the carrier's hardened steel. The force applied to the pivot hole by the pivot pin is maximum at gas expansion, against the forward semicircle of the pivot hole. This area on the Stag is comparable to the SCR. I contacted Fightlite about the reinforced area, but they wouldn't let me talk to their engineer. Anyway, after about 50 rounds I don't see any signs of deformity in the Stag carrier around the pin holes as yet. https://i.imgur.com/iLcVdPl.jpg?1 Here's the Stag with strut. https://i.imgur.com/qHeHiHm.jpg?1 |
Here's my previously posted SCR with a ASA side charger
 Ares SCR ASA RMR by Doug Hansen, on Flickr
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Originally Posted By 70runner: That's precisely what was done, with the help of a retired machinist who has a garage full of Bridgeports and such. Here's the dissected Stag. https://i.imgur.com/fhxQ4Cg.jpg?1 Biggest challenge was location of strut pivot holes. The SCR carrier has some reinforcement around the pivot holes which doesn't exist on the Stag. Machinist who did it for me said he could move the hole location up at bit, ~.030, to gain a bit of reinforcement. I was concerned about FP clearance. He said he could machine the FP if needed. He ended up raising the holes about .010, relative to the SCR, so no FP milling was necessary. In this pic you can see the reinforcement. https://i.imgur.com/c4H2QEq.jpg?2 The difference in reinforcement around the pivot pin holes remains an area of concern in terms of long term viability. One suggestion was to build up the Stag area with a welder. The machinist said he'd worry about the effect this would have on the carrier's hardened steel. The force applied to the pivot hole by the pivot pin is maximum at gas expansion, against the forward semicircle of the pivot hole. This area on the Stag is comparable to the SCR. I contacted Fightlite about the reinforced area, but they wouldn't let me talk to their engineer. Anyway, after about 50 rounds I don't see any signs of deformity in the Stag carrier around the pin holes as yet. https://i.imgur.com/iLcVdPl.jpg?1 Here's the Stag with strut. https://i.imgur.com/qHeHiHm.jpg?1 What stops the rearward motion of the carrier, is there a bumper behind the carrier itself or does the strut rod bottom out in the spring tube? |
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Originally Posted By RDTCU: Nice, I would assume that the pin would likely fail before the carrier, even with the reduced support... What stops the rearward motion of the carrier, is there a bumper behind the carrier itself or does the strut rod bottom out in the spring tube? If I understand your question, the carrier motion is damped/reversed by action spring tension. |
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Originally Posted By 70runner: Exactly what my machinist said. If I understand your question, the carrier motion is damped/reversed by action spring tension. Does the spring plunger bottom out in the tube, similar to an AR buffer? Does the spring coil-bind in the spring tube? Does the carrier stop against something in top of the lower? There must be something that mechanically limits the rearward travel of the carrier. If it's in the spring tube, then the spring strut, and thereby that pivot pin in the carrier takes that impulse. if it's at the rear of the carrier, then the pin doesn't see the impact. |
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Originally Posted By coldblue:
Thinking i may have solved my NY Safe Act 10-round magazine law for my M261 sub-cal device...https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/19411/mossberg_10-839109.jpg |
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Originally Posted By Andromax: Im all about non reciprocating side chargers for ARs. For the SCR, I much prefer a right side reciprocating side charger. The ergonomics are intuitive, and the handling is so natural. The drill and tap is easy. I did mine with a drill press and hand tap. If you have a modicum of shop skill its not hard. Heres how I did it. Dupe pic but whatever. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/23996/20170309_132912_jpg-828969.JPG Eta: if youre dead set on a non-reciprocating; I love ASA but since they closed shop a Gibbz C4 is a hot ticket. |
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