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Posted: 4/28/2011 1:44:05 PM EDT
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So why are they not up to par.  I heard that some Swat Teams and LE agencies use them.Yea, and the Sherrif of Baton Rouge on Sons of Guns wanted a tacticool Tompson 1928 SMG for his SWAT team too 
DPMS is fine for back yard invasions from Coke cans and paper targets, but I would not trust them under "battlefield" conditions. They seem to be catering more around this line of customers. My question is why would you even consider a DPMS when a Bushy, RR, DD, ect. does not cost that much more. |
| as you can see from the post prior to mine you dont get answers just hate. theres no valid reasons for the bias on ar15.com against dpms, its just an agreed on hate that colt fanboys feed on. yea they have stories, like the one where i had a friend of a friend who knew someone who had a dpms and it was a pos, of course, that to them is utterly reliable info and worthy of passing on to any newbies who mention dpms in a thread. its is total bs of course. but you wont get good answers on this forum about dpms. mainly because you will not be able to sift threw all the lame ass bullcrap some of its members spew. |
| I used to find these boards helpful and informative. Now they are just a forum to criticize why ford beats dodge. " I know a guy that has a friend that heard that DPMS is bad and jams" VOMIT! If I was a gun manufacturer i would have all my employees log on and tell stories about how they were at the range and saw a Spikes rifle explode and kill 9 people and damage the near by hospital causing old people to die. It just gets to the point of ridiculous. Buy the DPMS if that is what you can afford. I would venture to guess that most of these clowns have $5000 guns that sit in their safes...showguns.. Buy it, shoot it, dont worry about what these people think. Ask your local law enforcement agency what they use. People will swear up and down that Glocks are plastic junk.....but EVERY agency I know of runs them. SOme clown will chime in that they would never use a Glock , they heard from a guy that they explode, they only trust their $4500 wilson combat 1911. If you did the math, Glock sells 100 trillion glocks with a few documented failures, WIlson combat sells 3 guns a year. Long story short, buy it and shoot it, |
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Quoted: as you can see from the post prior to mine you dont get answers just hate. theres no valid reasons for the bias on ar15.com against dpms, its just an agreed on hate that colt fanboys feed on. yea they have stories, like the one where i had a friend of a friend who knew someone who had a dpms and it was a pos, of course, that to them is utterly reliable info and worthy of passing on to any newbies who mention dpms in a thread. its is total bs of course. but you wont get good answers on this forum about dpms. mainly because you will not be able to sift threw all the lame ass bullcrap some of its members spew. There are very knowledgeable and experienced people who will suggest you steer clear of DPMS. Do not let emotional attachment to a brand cloud your judgment |
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as you can see from the post prior to mine you dont get answers just hate. theres no valid reasons for the bias on ar15.com against dpms, its just an agreed on hate that colt fanboys feed on. yea they have stories, like the one where i had a friend of a friend who knew someone who had a dpms and it was a pos, of course, that to them is utterly reliable info and worthy of passing on to any newbies who mention dpms in a thread. its is total bs of course. but you wont get good answers on this forum about dpms. mainly because you will not be able to sift threw all the lame ass bullcrap some of its members spew. My post shed no hate on DPMS. 
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In my oprinion there all the just about the same just with a diffrent logo. and a lot of the parts are form the same suppliers.
if there is a problem most of the time is it the operator not knowing the cleaning and maintainaince and operations of what there doing. no problems here from DPMS. |
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I have a few. I don't get to shoot them every day , every week or even every month. When I do get to take one out I put a few hundred rounds through it.
I have never had I problem. I would buy another. I would never want to be on the wrong side of a loaded one. |
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I can live with a 4140 steel chrome-lined barrel, but I would want a top notch bolt carrier group, such as colt, bravo, daniel defense, or spikes. Also, I am not a fan of hokey stocks (like the DPMS Pardus stock) or uppers without an ejection port cover (sportical). So, if you took a basic DPMS AP4 and replaced the bcg and upgraded the furniture with Magpul products, I would be satisfied. Oh, and put a nice genuine Aimpoint on it, not some ebay chicom crap. |
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Not to fuel the fire but there was a thread with many pages not too long ago where someone had a dpms.
He had documented problems with pictures. Dpms was not answering his questions. When they did he still felt unsatisfied. I think the whole fiasco speaks for itself. The upper in question was sent in not once but twice iirc. Someone here probably knows the exact thread I am refering to. I would search it and link it,but I am posting from mobile. |
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Quoted: I have a older carbine of there's. Thousands of rounds through it. It chokes from time to time, just like any other ar I have, which also have big names attached to them. The downs that most people give them are a crock. My ARs don't choke and that's on a steady diet of mostly wolf. |
| I personally try to buy higher tier parts and don't own any DPMS rifles/carbines. I have used their small parts with no problems. There lpk's used to be milspec surplus back in the day. Think they are low bid like everyone else now days. I have shot many DPMS flavors and many friends own them. Never personally seen an actual problem with them myself and I've seen some that would really shoot. They just don't really offer what I'm looking for. I prefer .625 lightweight profiles and I build my own. I can usually buy Colt or FN parts for the same coin or less. They have never received real good publicity here on AR15.com but many vendors here wish they had the business DPMS has. There are better and there are worse. One usually gets what they pay. I wouldn't be scared to use any of there products, I believe they do have a warranty just like most decent companies. |
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as you can see from the post prior to mine you don't get answers just hate. theres no valid reasons for the bias on ar15.com against dpms, its just an agreed on hate that colt fanboys feed on. yea they have stories, like the one where i had a friend of a friend who knew someone who had a dpms and it was a pos, of course, that to them is utterly reliable info and worthy of passing on to any newbies who mention dpms in a thread. its is total bs of course. but you wont get good answers on this forum about dpms. mainly because you will not be able to sift threw all the lame ass bullcrap some of its members spew. Easy there internet Komando 
Now how long have you been shooting AR's? How many have you owned, and were any of them DPMS? How many cases of ammo do you put through your rifle per year? I have been shooting AR's since I turned 15, my first was a Bushmaster HBAR 20" A2, and since then I have owned at least a dozen AR's. I was fortunate to have a father that was a FFL dealer, and I grew up around assault rifles of every brand and every flavor. I was building AR's for customers by the time I was 17, and have about 20 or so under my belt. Another perk of working for my father was I got to test some of the new things that came into the shop. I received one of the first Ruger SR556 piston carbines that came out of the factory, same thing with the MSAR STG and SIG556. I don't know what your background is, and really don't care... The OP asked a simple question, and I responded with logic, why buy a DPMS when you can get a more reputable brand for just a little more. There was no DPMS hate or any other stereotypical BS you seem to think there is from myself or any of the other members. I know what I have seen, and the "sportical" neutered carbines that came in the shop make me want to puke, and a lot of DPMS machining marks are what I would call sub-standard. That is the logic behind my comment, nothing more. Aimless could not have said it better, and as far as that goes don't come in here and start criticizing our forum and insulting our paid members when you have not contributed anything to this site yourself
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I had a 20" DPMS rifle, had problems getting the upper to cycle so I got rid of it. That said, I SBRD a DPMS lower for my Mark 18 clone with CMMG upper. Didn;t know any better at the time. But I've had no prob;ems with it, the trigger is a Chip McCormick anyway.
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The 'hate' on DPMS is that the don't individually inspect and test each part that is used. They batch test barrels and bolts and what not. It's cost effective and easier to deal with bad parts and broke down guns that that approach can lead to. Rather then paying to up the QC'ing methods. That said it means all companies will put out a lemon, but DPMS will be statically more prone to this and that's why everybody knows a guy that knows a guy... My DPMS M4 has been awesome with close to 4k of steel case though it and very accurate. I've used it to win my division in local multigun matches. Now my brother has one as well and has front sight was canted and had a stuck case with wolf ammo at a match. He has about 1k of steel case through it. DPMS took care of the front sight and been fine since. That said my DPMS is now my hunting rifle and my Spike's 16" middie is my go to gun. A Spike's is about the same price and will serve you better with less chance of a lemon. Not saying DPMS is bad as "mine" has been great, yours might be too... |
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as you can see from the post prior to mine you dont get answers just hate. theres no valid reasons for the bias on ar15.com against dpms, its just an agreed on hate that colt fanboys feed on. yea they have stories, like the one where i had a friend of a friend who knew someone who had a dpms and it was a pos, of course, that to them is utterly reliable info and worthy of passing on to any newbies who mention dpms in a thread. its is total bs of course. but you wont get good answers on this forum about dpms. mainly because you will not be able to sift threw all the lame ass bullcrap some of its members spew. There are very knowledgeable and experienced people who will suggest you steer clear of DPMS. Do not let emotional attachment to a brand cloud your judgment Big +1...and to the folks who keep mentioning DPMS & their LE contracts, it's well known that most agencies purchase based off low pricing & what their budget constraints will allow. Bean counting administrators & rank holding officers in LE aren't really your tactical & practical knowledge infused types when it comes to guns & equipment needed to do the job. |
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Not to fuel the fire but there was a thread with many pages not too long ago where someone had a dpms. He had documented problems with pictures. Dpms was not answering his questions. When they did he still felt unsatisfied. I think the whole fiasco speaks for itself. The upper in question was sent in not once but twice iirc. Someone here probably knows the exact thread I am refering to. I would search it and link it,but I am posting from mobile. one example. BBB should shut them down |
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