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Posted: 6/22/2012 6:58:43 AM EDT
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Does anyone know something that I don't? Cause this looks almost too good to be true...
http://cscarms.com/wp/csc-rifles/csc-arms-5-56-elite-model/ |
| I think all of the nickel boron, free float rail, and match trigger is pretty nice. Probably since its such a new and small company is why the price is high. Either way, for me all I would need is my eotech and an AFG and I would be all set with that gun. No need to change out any internals |
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I think all of the nickel boron, free float rail, and match trigger is pretty nice. Probably since its such a new and small company is why the price is high. Either way, for me all I would need is my eotech and an AFG and I would be all set with that gun. No need to change out any internals For $1700 you could do better. $1000 for a Colt, BCM $200 for a Troy, DD, MI, Samson rail of your choosing. $200 for a Geissele Trigger Send out your Colt BCG to get a Nickel Boron coating for $100. And what's with all the zombies and skulls? And the "evil" muzzle brake? |
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Doesn't seem like that great of a deal.... I'd rather have a Larue, Noveske or KAC for that price. If your looking to spend upwards of 2k.. Larue for $1500 Noveske for $1500 That Larue seems like a smoking deal. Billet receivers, chrome BCG, 2 stage trigger? That's a nice stick. Joe |
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That looks like a YHM rail, Troy sights, etc. I don't think CSC makes anything, they just assemble parts. And from what it looks like, the parts aren't that great. The nickel boron parts aren't necessary and really just bling. Same with billet, they provide no benefit and are often heavier than forged receivers. That looks like a $900 rifle to me, as it is not made by a reputable manufacturer and the parts used are not of high quality. I mean, the Magpul stuff is the cheapest you can get. Larue, all the way for that kind of money. You can also find a KAC SR15 for around $1800 if you look around on gunbroker.com. There are far better choices for that much money, but you seem set on this rifle. I'm sure it will be fine, so go for it if you like it. It's your cash. However, if you ever try to sell that rifle, it will probably be worth literally HALF what you paid for it upfront. |
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That looks like a YHM rail, Troy sights, etc. I don't think CSC makes anything, they just assemble parts. And from what it looks like, the parts aren't that great. The nickel boron parts aren't necessary and really just bling. Same with billet, they provide no benefit and are often heavier than forged receivers. That looks like a $900 rifle to me, as it is not made by a reputable manufacturer and the parts used are not of high quality. I mean, the Magpul stuff is the cheapest you can get. Larue, all the way for that kind of money. You can also find a KAC SR15 for around $1800 if you look around on gunbroker.com. There are far better choices for that much money, but you seem set on this rifle. I'm sure it will be fine, so go for it if you like it. It's your cash. However, if you ever try to sell that rifle, it will probably be worth literally HALF what you paid for it upfront. Lol I actually plan on buying a knights or sabre defense. I just ran across it and saw it basically had all the upgrades done that I was planning on doing. Wasn't sure of the quality or anything so that's why I asked. I'm relatively new to AR's |
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That looks like a YHM rail, Troy sights, etc. I don't think CSC makes anything, they just assemble parts. And from what it looks like, the parts aren't that great. The nickel boron parts aren't necessary and really just bling. Same with billet, they provide no benefit and are often heavier than forged receivers. That looks like a $900 rifle to me, as it is not made by a reputable manufacturer and the parts used are not of high quality. I mean, the Magpul stuff is the cheapest you can get. Larue, all the way for that kind of money. You can also find a KAC SR15 for around $1800 if you look around on gunbroker.com. There are far better choices for that much money, but you seem set on this rifle. I'm sure it will be fine, so go for it if you like it. It's your cash. However, if you ever try to sell that rifle, it will probably be worth literally HALF what you paid for it upfront. Lol I actually plan on buying a knights or sabre defense. I just ran across it and saw it basically had all the upgrades done that I was planning on doing. Wasn't sure of the quality or anything so that's why I asked. I'm relatively new to AR's It seems like you are fixating on the wrong things. If you are looking at spending high-end AR money on your first AR, you should be sure what high-end actually is. NIB? Whatever, I don't care about it. Just because a rail is free-floated tells you nothing about its quality/weight/attachment method. There is absolutely no information about that trigger except that it has some "work" done on it. As I said, learn what high-end really is. The $1500-2000 dollar range is difficult. There is some extremely nice stuff in there, but there is also way more tacky, appearance-based nonsense. IMO, in that price range I would be looking at Larue/Noveske/KAC or Colt/BCM/DD with money leftover for an optic. |
| I dont know why all these people are bad mouthing my company. My rifles are that expensive for what you get. Compared to Black Rain. There rifles are alot more then ours. We are a new manufacturer in business for 3 years. So please if you have any questions on our rifles please give us a call and I will be happy to answer them. Also we offer a Noveske barrel with our Elite Plus. |
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I dont know why all these people are bad mouthing my company. My rifles are that expensive for what you get. Compared to Black Rain. There rifles are alot more then ours. We are a new manufacturer in business for 3 years. So please if you have any questions on our rifles please give us a call and I will be happy to answer them. Also we offer a Noveske barrel with our Elite Plus. On this forum there seems to be a cult following, if you don't like the select 10 brands, then your shunned. If I was you, I would send one of these rifles out to the military arms channel for a test and review. He has a very successful YouTube channel and he gives high quality unbiased reviews. I was intrigued by your rifles but aparently the armchair experts believe you can judge quality by a picture. I have no idea how good or bad your rifles are. I like dealing with small companies that's why I was curious for some insight if anyone had dealt with this company or purchased one before. |
| Ok how about this. If you buy my rifle and dont like it when you go shoot 60-or 90 rounds. I will refund your money back to you in full. I have never had a customer not like our product. Please contact me and I will be more then happy to help you. CSC ARMS 954-552-3327. |
| How is our price high...Billet receivers, Ambi charging handle, Nickel boron BCG, Nickel boron trigger group, We have 1/7 twist barrel chromed lined or upgrade Noveske barrel, Ambi safety, Ambi sling mount. Our Evil muzzle brake. And magpul furniture. You have to compair to Black Rain. Any ways If you dont have the money DONT BASH......... |
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Also forgot our free float rail is 10" weight is 10oz. Our rifle total weight is 7.0 lbs.... Not bashing your weapons. Just stating the obvious. They may be fine firearms. Not debating that with you as I don't have firsthand experience. But..... Your price is high because your price puts you in the market against the likes of Larue and LMT, KAC, etc. And most of those are highly sought after, highly proven, top of the line weapons. And most can be had cheaper with much better features than yours. The 1-7 barrel that is on your rifle is nothing special. 1-7's damn near seem to be the market standard nowadays. Let me be clear, I am far from a Colt fan. That being said I can buy a brand-new Colt at my local Wally World for around a grand. Larue sells the PredatAR for around $1500. All machined billet in-house out of 7075. Also has a true modular free-float that is completely different and innovative in it's design. Also has one of the best barrels you could put on an AR. Also every one is hand-fitted and precision engineered. Did I mention it's $200 LESS than yours?? Built by people with a helluva a name and following FOR A REASON. By the way my personal rifle is nothing special. But fully loaded it weighs roughly the same as your bare gun. Lightweight barrel and 15" Midwest Industries Gen2 SS. Free-float only weighs 10.9oz. Gun bare weighs under 7lbs and is only around 7 1/2 with a thirty round magazine. |
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Anyone else think that undone11091 is one and the same with CSC arms?
The rifle seems nice enough, but I would agree that for the price you can get more, or just upgrade another rifle cheaper. The upper looks like it comes out of the same shop as the Rainier billet upper. I don't agree that everyone only loves 10 certain brands here. Maybe when it comes to BCM or Colt, but I have seen threads bashing noveske and most every other brand. |
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Anyone else think that undone11091 is one and the same with CSC arms? The rifle seems nice enough, but I would agree that for the price you can get more, or just upgrade another rifle cheaper. The upper looks like it comes out of the same shop as the Rainier billet upper. I don't agree that everyone only loves 10 certain brands here. Maybe when it comes to BCM or Colt, but I have seen threads bashing noveske and most every other brand. Yep. There seem to be several CSC "fans" as of late. 
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Anyone else think that undone11091 is one and the same with CSC arms? The rifle seems nice enough, but I would agree that for the price you can get more, or just upgrade another rifle cheaper. The upper looks like it comes out of the same shop as the Rainier billet upper. I don't agree that everyone only loves 10 certain brands here. Maybe when it comes to BCM or Colt, but I have seen threads bashing noveske and most every other brand. Yep. There seem to be several CSC "fans" as of late. I've noticed the same thing... |
| Just to let you guys know. Yes we are a new company we dont have a big name like others that have been around 20 plus years. But I can tell you our rifle is a fine rifle and our customers are very happy with our product. We have had alot of customers wanting to buy Black Rain and those rifles were back ordered for months. They bought our rifles and those customers call me all the time of how happy they are with our rifle. Please give us a chance. We do good work. And will like to be A big company one day. |
| I looked at the larue rifle your stating. First it doesn't have nickel boron BCG,Nickel boron trigger group, No trigger work, No ambi charging handle, No ambi safety, and it has M4 flash hider ours is different, And the receivers are made billet but look like forge style plain. Our receivers looks different from there receivers. So for the extra 200 I think my rifle has a run for the money. We can all have options. And our Elite Plus has a Noveske barrel. |
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I looked at the larue rifle your stating. First it doesn't have nickel boron BCG,Nickel boron trigger group, No trigger work, No ambi charging handle, No ambi safety, and it has M4 flash hider ours is different, And the receivers are made billet but look like forge style plain. Our receivers looks different from there receivers. So for the extra 200 I think my rifle has a run for the money. We can all have options. And our Elite Plus has a Noveske barrel. Your post previous of this one sounded much better to me. 
Larue's come with a 2-stage Geiselle. And the receivers look far, far, from forged. You can tell they have been meticulously machined and fitted. Out of more expensive and stronger aluminum. Check the weight of the rifle. Check the proprietary rail that is a true free-float. Look at how the rail and upper receiver are completely different from the ordinary and built to be stronger and lighter. Notice they do all of their own machine work in-house. In all honesty they are apples and oranges. I wish your new company all the best. Taken from Larue's page.... The PredatAR 5.56 is designed for those who are searching for a lightweight, ultra-reliable and accurate 5.56 mm NATO rifle for home-defense, competition-shooting or hunting. The PredatAR takes the highly accurate OBR 5.56 “Lite” design, and lightens it in every possible way with the least possible impact to the accuracy that the standard OBR is known for. By contouring the barrel, skeletonizing the handguard, lowering and simplifying the upper rail, and using a low-profile gas block, we were able to reduce roughly 2 pounds from the standard OBR 5.56 rifle. The barrels are LW-50 stainless steel, lightweight-profiled, Wylde chambered and feature polygonal rifling in a 1/8 twist rate. LW-50 Stainless has proven itself for over 15 years, in military and civilian uses ranging from sniper, tactical, target, and other high-performance applications where long life and accuracy are critical. All barrels are threaded in ½ x 28, with an A2 flash hider attached* (other muzzle devices can be added at an additional cost). The handguards on the PredatAR extend out 14.75”, to suit a larger range of shooting styles. The zero-MOA upper rail provides plenty of room for weapon-mounted night-vision day/night combinations. Both the upper and lower are CNC-machined from billet 7075-T6, for the optimum fit and consistency. Even though we lightened certain features, there is still additional material in strategic areas to achieve maximum accuracy. Each rifle ships with one, 3” long, MIL-STD-1913 detachable rail section. Both models come with a 6-position Magpul MOE Stock and LaRue medium A-PEG™ Grip. The Bolt Carriers are hand-polished hard-chrome with max-staked carrier keys, with Texas-Spec Bolt assemblies. The lower assembly has the proven Geissele Two-Stage trigger. XTRAXN™ is a proprietary chamber feature added to reduce frictional forces caused by pressure-expanded cartridge cases bearing against chamber walls. Facilitates reliable extraction through a wide range of temperature / chamber pressure extremes. XTRAXN™ extends extractor life, while having no effect on the firearm's accuracy. All this, and it dovetails well with the OBR's world-famous accuracy. Caliber: 5.56 x 45 mm NATO Rifle Weight: 6.25 lb. (based on 16.1” barrel version, unloaded without optics) Barrel Length: 16.1“ Rifling Twist Rate: 1/8 Muzzle Thread Configuration: ½ x 28 * Barrel Material: LW50 Stainless Steel, Blackened. Barrel Life: 10,000 (approx) Gas System: Mid-Length Direct Impingement Trigger Group: Two-Stage Geissele Rate of Fire: Semi automatic Magazine Capacity: 30 rounds Keep in mind that I am not bashing. I guess I just think you needed an awakening. The Larue is just one example. Once again, you may have a world beater, and I hope you do. Just know ahead of time you have very stiff competition in your price range. Good luck.
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I'm no linguistics expert, but I'd be willing to bet "undone11091" and "bern31" are one and the same. Reread there posts cause its getting so your making it more then obvious.
Oh, and most people want a Geissele (PredatAR) more than a NiB with a trigger job and light springs. Bern, since you've been a member here for 2 years, I would think you know that it is generally frowned upon to advertise this way without site sponsorship. I also wonder why you keep comparing your product to Black Rain Ordnance as though they are an industry standard of excellence. Compare your rifle to those many people actually buy - LaRue, Knights, LMT, Noveske, BCM, Colt, DD, or even Spikes (since I have a nice one with NiB bcg/trigger that was a lot less than $1700) |
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I'm no linguistics expert, but I'd be willing to bet "undone11091" and "bern31" are one and the same. Reread there posts cause its getting so your making it more then obvious. Oh, and most people want a Geissele (PredatAR) more than a NiB with a trigger job and light springs. Bern, since you've been a member here for 2 years, I would think you know that it is generally frowned upon to advertise this way without site sponsorship. I also wonder why you keep comparing your product to Black Rain Ordnance as though they are an industry standard of excellence. Compare your rifle to those many people actually buy - LaRue, Knights, LMT, Noveske, BCM, Colt, DD, or even Spikes (since I have a nice one with NiB bcg/trigger that was a lot less than $1700) Lol I'm far from the same?? Look at my other threads I've made.... I was watching a YouTube video from weaponseducation.com ad he was on there with some rock river 1911 and I decided to check the site. My bad. The whole point of my thread was to see if anyone tried this brand and had some insight for me cause im still in the market |
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Im not try to advertise I was defending my product. I just dont like when people bad mouth my rifles when I put my heart and sole to there. Lets all be friends here. Thanks Can you tell us a little more about your product? What kind of barrel steel are you using? Can you tell us who makes them? Are they HPT and MPI? Who's NiB BCGs are you using? WMD, someone else? Are the bolts HPT or MPI'd? Are you making your own rails, or are you using someone else's? If someone else, who? |
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Im not try to advertise I was defending my product. I just dont like when people bad mouth my rifles when I put my heart and sole to there. Lets all be friends here. Thanks Can you tell us a little more about your product? What kind of barrel steel are you using? Can you tell us who makes them? Are they HPT and MPI? Who's NiB BCGs are you using? WMD, someone else? Are the bolts HPT or MPI'd? Are you making your own rails, or are you using someone else's? If someone else, who? To add to this: What are you doing to your triggers? Tell us about your muzzle brake. What were your priorities in designing it and what other brakes would you compare it to? |
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Im not try to advertise I was defending my product. I just dont like when people bad mouth my rifles when I put my heart and sole to there. Lets all be friends here. Thanks Can you tell us a little more about your product? What kind of barrel steel are you using? Can you tell us who makes them? Are they HPT and MPI? Who's NiB BCGs are you using? WMD, someone else? Are the bolts HPT or MPI'd? Are you making your own rails, or are you using someone else's? If someone else, who? Yea I would also be interested in knowing this. And is the bolt m16 style or not. And is it properly staked? |
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Ok guys sorry it is saturday and I have been doing the family thing.
1. barrels are made 4150 vanadium steel 1/7 twist thermo stress relieved chrome lined bore and chamber. Recently we have been using Noveske barrels. 2.BCG- we get them from CMT and strip them and send them to UCT to get Nib. 3.Our brake is 4140 hardened steel. 4. Our free float rail is 6061T6 Alum. 10" 10oz. 5. Our receivers are also 6061T6 Alum. And if you guys have any more questions please call me. Im not always on the computer I am a very busy guy running my business. CSC ARMS LLC FFL 07 manufacturer 954-552-3327. |
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Ok guys sorry it is saturday and I have been doing the family thing. 1. barrels are made 4150 vanadium steel 1/7 twist thermo stress relieved chrome lined bore and chamber. Recently we have been using Noveske barrels. 2.BCG- we get them from CMT and strip them and send them to UCT to get Nib. 3.Our brake is 4140 hardened steel. 4. Our free float rail is 6061T6 Alum. 10" 10oz. 5. Our receivers are also 6061T6 Alum. And if you guys have any more questions please call me. Im not always on the computer I am a very busy guy running my business. CSC ARMS LLC FFL 07 manufacturer 954-552-3327. Thank you for taking the time out to answer those questions. |
| $1700 and you don't even get 7075 receivers or a stainless barrel? Black Rain does 7075 and 416 and you made the comparison to them. I am not calling you after midnight florida time as that seems pretty rude. But if you answer here then many people get the answer instead of 1 on 1 which I would think saves you time. |
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