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Posted: 2/16/2009 5:21:42 AM EDT
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I want to get a red dot sight for my spike's tactical 22 ar. In the future I will probably get a 556 ar and would like the optic to work on that one as well. I don't really want to spend more than $500. I see the bushnell's holosight http://www.opticsplanet.net/bushnell-holosight.html, is this any sight any good? I heard they are actually made by eotech. If i go with an eotech how do I decide which one to go with?
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I want to get a red dot sight for my spike's tactical 22 ar. In the future I will probably get a 556 ar and would like the optic to work on that one as well. I don't really want to spend more than $500. I see the bushnell's holosight http://www.opticsplanet.net/bushnell-holosight.html, is this any sight any good? I heard they are actually made by eotech. If i go with an eotech how do I decide which one to go with? Thanks Eotech makes the holosight for Bushnell. It's basically an Eotech without the armored hood and gen1 electronics; it also isn't as water resistant as the Eotech. I have a Holosight XLP and it works fine, although battery life is not the same as my Eotech 512. If you're not going to be banging your rifle around, the Bushnell is perfectly serviceable. |
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I want to get a red dot sight for my spike's tactical 22 ar. In the future I will probably get a 556 ar and would like the optic to work on that one as well. I don't really want to spend more than $500. I see the bushnell's holosight http://www.opticsplanet.net/bushnell-holosight.html, is this any sight any good? I heard they are actually made by eotech. If i go with an eotech how do I decide which one to go with? Thanks Eotech makes the holosight for Bushnell. It's basically an Eotech without the armored hood and gen1 electronics; it also isn't as water resistant as the Eotech. I have a Holosight XLP and it works fine, although battery life is not the same as my Eotech 512. If you're not going to be banging your rifle around, the Bushnell is perfectly serviceable. If I get an optic, I want it to be as rugged as the rifle itself. So I think I will go with an eotech as long as I can get a decent deal on it. What is the difference between the 510, 516, 550, 551, 552? Also I notice there are aa models and n battery models. What is the difference between those? |
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Besides being small whioch doesn't really matter because what else will i put on the top rail? How does this actually perform better than a regular eotech that takes aa batteries? It's nice to have room for your BUIS and possibly a magnifier. When it comes to carbine optics, I'm a big believer that smaller = better...hence my recent migration to the Aimpoint micros. I like my EoTech's, but the Aimpoints are beginning to push them farther down the ladder in my collection. |
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I'd get one of the 550 series i think I just don't know yet which one. If you don't plan to use night vision equipment, then there's no good reason to choose the 55x over the 51x models. The only difference between the 55x and 51x is NV compatibility. Hmm, Well aren't they more durabily since they can be submerised to 33ft instead of just 10ft? The price is about a $60 difference $359 for a 510 AA or 419 for a 550 AA. |
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I'd get one of the 550 series i think I just don't know yet which one. If you don't plan to use night vision equipment, then there's no good reason to choose the 55x over the 51x models. The only difference between the 55x and 51x is NV compatibility. Hmm, Well aren't they more durabily since they can be submerised to 33ft instead of just 10ft? The price is about a $60 difference $359 for a 510 AA or 419 for a 550 AA. Do you plan on going diving with your gun? 
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I'd get one of the 550 series i think I just don't know yet which one. If you don't plan to use night vision equipment, then there's no good reason to choose the 55x over the 51x models. The only difference between the 55x and 51x is NV compatibility. Hmm, Well aren't they more durabily since they can be submerised to 33ft instead of just 10ft? The price is about a $60 difference $359 for a 510 AA or 419 for a 550 AA. Do you plan on going diving with your gun? Well I just figure I like things when they can handle a beating vs something thats fragile and can break easily. |
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The Bushnell is an older-generation Eotech with no rollcage, fewer brightness levels, and shorter battery life.
Here's my standard post on the differences between the two: The Bushnell Holosight and the Eotech use the same holographic technologies, and the Bushnells that look like the Eotech are made in America, in the same plant as the Eotechs. There are 2 styles of Bushnell Holosight now - the Eotech style, and the XLP, which is much more futuristic looking, and is made in Japan. The XLP is physically a completely different design, with a lower centerline of about 1.1", but still uses the same reticle. From a reticle perspective, there's very little difference between any of them except for max brightness. Essentially, the Eotech style Bushnell is a pre Rev F Eotech without the hood. Here are the key differences: - The Eotech uses their Rev F technology (starting in 2005), which greatly extends battery life and gives a much wider range of reticle brightness, including more brightness at the high end, and has improved buttons. The Bushnells use the pre-Rev F technology still, with shorter battery life and less brightness range. The Rev F Eotechs are marked with an F on the hood, but the hood can be replaced or changed easily, so this isn't always a good indication. - Battery life: Eotech N battery version - 200 hours at the 12 (of 20) setting Eotech AA version - 600 hours (alkaline), 1000 hours (lithium) at the 12 (of 20) setting. Eotech CR123 version - 1100 hours at the 12 (of 20) setting Bushnell N battery version - 40 hours life at the 12 (of 20) setting Bushnell N battery new version (on/off switch) - 60 hours Bushnell AAA battery version (XLP) - 100 hours life at the 10 (of 15) setting There's no data I've found on battery life for the Bushnell AA version. - The Eotech has a protective hood. The Eotech style Bushnell doesn't, and can't be retrofitted, though the hood is available as a replacement part through Eotech. The hood fits on a set of rails with tapped holes on the Eotech base that aren't there on the Bushnell. Both have encapsulated electronics for recoil and impact resistance. The Bushnell XLP has a hood built in to the design, but is not directly comparable to the Eotech design. - The 55X models of the Eotech have night vision compatible settings in addition to the regular settings. The 51X Eotechs and the Bushnells don't have this. - The 55X versions of the Eotech are waterproof to 33 feet, while the 51X versions and the Bushnell are waterproof to 10 feet. - The Eotechs are available using N or AA batteries, and the new 553 uses CR123 version. The Eotech style Bushnells are available using N batteries, and had an AA version that's not available in their current catalog (though there are indications they'll release one as part of their new line). The Bushnell XLP models use AAA batteries. For all of them, if you use lithium batteries, you dramatically increase battery life, especially at low temperatures, but the low battery indication doesn't work with lithium batteries. Note that N batteries aren't generally available in lithium. Also, there have been a number of problems reported with N battery Eotechs draining the battery rapidly, even while off. The conventional wisdom is to use name brand batteries to help avoid this, but there's little hard data on this problem. Both brands have a 2 year warranty. |
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I'd get one of the 550 series i think I just don't know yet which one. If you don't plan to use night vision equipment, then there's no good reason to choose the 55x over the 51x models. The only difference between the 55x and 51x is NV compatibility. Hmm, Well aren't they more durabily since they can be submerised to 33ft instead of just 10ft? The difference is a slightly thicker gasket in the battery compartment. This has nothing to do with durability of the optic unless you routinely scuba dive with your AR15. |
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The Bushnell is an older-generation Eotech with no rollcage, fewer brightness levels, and shorter battery life. Here's my standard post on the differences between the two: The Bushnell Holosight and the Eotech use the same holographic technologies, and the Bushnells that look like the Eotech are made in America, in the same plant as the Eotechs. There are 2 styles of Bushnell Holosight now - the Eotech style, and the XLP, which is much more futuristic looking, and is made in Japan. The XLP is physically a completely different design, with a lower centerline of about 1.1", but still uses the same reticle. From a reticle perspective, there's very little difference between any of them except for max brightness. Essentially, the Eotech style Bushnell is a pre Rev F Eotech without the hood. Here are the key differences: - The Eotech uses their Rev F technology (starting in 2005), which greatly extends battery life and gives a much wider range of reticle brightness, including more brightness at the high end, and has improved buttons. The Bushnells use the pre-Rev F technology still, with shorter battery life and less brightness range. The Rev F Eotechs are marked with an F on the hood, but the hood can be replaced or changed easily, so this isn't always a good indication. - Battery life: Eotech N battery version - 200 hours at the 12 (of 20) setting Eotech AA version - 600 hours (alkaline), 1000 hours (lithium) at the 12 (of 20) setting. Eotech CR123 version - 1100 hours at the 12 (of 20) setting Bushnell N battery version - 40 hours life at the 12 (of 20) setting Bushnell N battery new version (on/off switch) - 60 hours Bushnell AAA battery version (XLP) - 100 hours life at the 10 (of 15) setting There's no data I've found on battery life for the Bushnell AA version. - The Eotech has a protective hood. The Eotech style Bushnell doesn't, and can't be retrofitted, though the hood is available as a replacement part through Eotech. The hood fits on a set of rails with tapped holes on the Eotech base that aren't there on the Bushnell. Both have encapsulated electronics for recoil and impact resistance. The Bushnell XLP has a hood built in to the design, but is not directly comparable to the Eotech design. - The 55X models of the Eotech have night vision compatible settings in addition to the regular settings. The 51X Eotechs and the Bushnells don't have this. - The 55X versions of the Eotech are waterproof to 33 feet, while the 51X versions and the Bushnell are waterproof to 10 feet. - The Eotechs are available using N or AA batteries, and the new 553 uses CR123 version. The Eotech style Bushnells are available using N batteries, and had an AA version that's not available in their current catalog (though there are indications they'll release one as part of their new line). The Bushnell XLP models use AAA batteries. For all of them, if you use lithium batteries, you dramatically increase battery life, especially at low temperatures, but the low battery indication doesn't work with lithium batteries. Note that N batteries aren't generally available in lithium. Also, there have been a number of problems reported with N battery Eotechs draining the battery rapidly, even while off. The conventional wisdom is to use name brand batteries to help avoid this, but there's little hard data on this problem. Both brands have a 2 year warranty. |
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The Bushnell is an older-generation Eotech with no rollcage, fewer brightness levels, and shorter battery life. Here's my standard post on the differences between the two: The Bushnell Holosight and the Eotech use the same holographic technologies, and the Bushnells that look like the Eotech are made in America, in the same plant as the Eotechs. There are 2 styles of Bushnell Holosight now - the Eotech style, and the XLP, which is much more futuristic looking, and is made in Japan. The XLP is physically a completely different design, with a lower centerline of about 1.1", but still uses the same reticle. From a reticle perspective, there's very little difference between any of them except for max brightness. Essentially, the Eotech style Bushnell is a pre Rev F Eotech without the hood. Here are the key differences: - The Eotech uses their Rev F technology (starting in 2005), which greatly extends battery life and gives a much wider range of reticle brightness, including more brightness at the high end, and has improved buttons. The Bushnells use the pre-Rev F technology still, with shorter battery life and less brightness range. The Rev F Eotechs are marked with an F on the hood, but the hood can be replaced or changed easily, so this isn't always a good indication. - Battery life: Eotech N battery version - 200 hours at the 12 (of 20) setting Eotech AA version - 600 hours (alkaline), 1000 hours (lithium) at the 12 (of 20) setting. Eotech CR123 version - 1100 hours at the 12 (of 20) setting Bushnell N battery version - 40 hours life at the 12 (of 20) setting Bushnell N battery new version (on/off switch) - 60 hours Bushnell AAA battery version (XLP) - 100 hours life at the 10 (of 15) setting There's no data I've found on battery life for the Bushnell AA version. - The Eotech has a protective hood. The Eotech style Bushnell doesn't, and can't be retrofitted, though the hood is available as a replacement part through Eotech. The hood fits on a set of rails with tapped holes on the Eotech base that aren't there on the Bushnell. Both have encapsulated electronics for recoil and impact resistance. The Bushnell XLP has a hood built in to the design, but is not directly comparable to the Eotech design. - The 55X models of the Eotech have night vision compatible settings in addition to the regular settings. The 51X Eotechs and the Bushnells don't have this. - The 55X versions of the Eotech are waterproof to 33 feet, while the 51X versions and the Bushnell are waterproof to 10 feet. - The Eotechs are available using N or AA batteries, and the new 553 uses CR123 version. The Eotech style Bushnells are available using N batteries, and had an AA version that's not available in their current catalog (though there are indications they'll release one as part of their new line). The Bushnell XLP models use AAA batteries. For all of them, if you use lithium batteries, you dramatically increase battery life, especially at low temperatures, but the low battery indication doesn't work with lithium batteries. Note that N batteries aren't generally available in lithium. Also, there have been a number of problems reported with N battery Eotechs draining the battery rapidly, even while off. The conventional wisdom is to use name brand batteries to help avoid this, but there's little hard data on this problem. Both brands have a 2 year warranty. Agreed this helped a lot. I think I will be getting a 51x eotech now I just need to figure out where I will get one I want a AA battery model so I can easily feed it. |
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I've got one of each. The N-battery Bushnell lives on an M11/9 that I use for subgun matches. I tried putting the Eotech 512 on it, and between the hood and longer AA battery compartment, it was just way too big so I switched back. The Bushnell does drain the N-batteries, even when turned off. I've gotten in to the habit of removing the battery compartment when the gun is in the safe.
The 512 is just fine on an AR15. I like mine mounted directly to the rail, giving a true co-witness. I like this better than having the irons in the lower 1/3 of the lens. I have a GG&G quick-release mount on the EoTech, which is a nice feature. It bolts to the side of the hood, so I don't think it would be compatible with the Bushnell. I have had to re-sight the Bushnell when removing / reinstalling it. The GG&G mount seems to come off and on with no loss of zero, which is nice. Then again, once you get the scope on the gun, I don't know how often you would be removing it. I got this because I was thinking of using a set of quick-detach rings so I could swap between the EoTech and a variable power scope. 
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I checked the bushnell holosight on midwayusa, the status is "discontinued by manufacturer" http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=645468 Anyone knows if it is true, and why, Bushnell decides to discontinue it? I just ordered one on ebay. This is true. I just ordered one from somewhere else and was called and told the very same thing. |
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