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1/17/2018 11:10:56 AM EDT
Figured I'd share some detailed pictures of my service rifle in case anyone here was trying to clone the C7A2 (or any similar CC rifle).
















Hope I didn't wreck anyone's computers, enjoy!
1/17/2018 11:15:13 AM EDT
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Thanks for the pics.  Have you used fixed and collapsible stocked models, and if so, have you

noticed any change to reliability due to the carbine stock?

I'm guessing that the pieces of rail section on the front sight are in lieu of a railed handguard?
1/17/2018 11:17:19 AM EDT
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You read my mind on my next clone, this is great thank you!!!!

Fantastic pictures!

Sending you a PM!
1/17/2018 11:21:30 AM EDT
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Ohhhhhh......I like.

Thanks.
1/17/2018 11:27:07 AM EDT
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Thanks for the pics.  Have you used fixed and collapsible stocked models, and if so, have you

noticed any change to reliability due to the carbine stock?

I'm guessing that the pieces of rail section on the front sight are in lieu of a railed handguard?
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I used the A1 with fixed stock when I first joined. As far as I recall, this is no different for reliability. That is to say I've never had a stoppage while using live ammunition.

And yes, we dont get issued a full rail like tge KAC M5 RAS, so instead we have short Cadex rails for foregrips or lasers.
1/17/2018 2:52:31 PM EDT
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Sweet!!!

Thank you.
1/17/2018 4:10:12 PM EDT
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BCM has, or had, the tri-rail that is on the FSB. (Or a close copy of it)
1/17/2018 5:08:02 PM EDT
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Cool gun. Thanks for the pics.
1/17/2018 5:36:30 PM EDT
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What is a "HH" buffer?  H6?
1/17/2018 7:07:10 PM EDT
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H2
1/17/2018 7:19:43 PM EDT
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That's just the way they mark "H2" there. (I like our way better) can you imagine the H6?

"HHHHHH" buffer
1/17/2018 7:25:57 PM EDT
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Nice thanks.
1/17/2018 9:44:16 PM EDT
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I don't believe they've made it in quite some time. I did pick a couple up on the used market for around $40-50 a piece when looking for a while.

I'd love to get one of the Cadex tri-rail mounts. But they're stupid expensive, like $250 if you find them new. I was bidding on one marked w/ the Diemaco "D" last year. But it went way over I wanted to pay. Almost $200 IIRC.
1/18/2018 2:10:45 AM EDT
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I don't believe they've made it in quite some time. I did pick a couple up on the used market for around $40-50 a piece when looking for a while.

I'd love to get one of the Cadex tri-rail mounts. But they're stupid expensive, like $250 if you find them new. I was bidding on one marked w/ the Diemaco "D" last year. But it went way over I wanted to pay. Almost $200 IIRC.
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Keep in mind that while Cadex and Colt Canada both make tri-rails, they're not the same. The CC Triad is what we issue on the rifles and I've yet to see a Cadex one in use (by anyone, even other C7/C8 users).
1/18/2018 10:14:32 PM EDT
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Keep in mind that while Cadex and Colt Canada both make tri-rails, they're not the same. The CC Triad is what we issue on the rifles and I've yet to see a Cadex one in use (by anyone, even other C7/C8 users).
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That I didn't know. Thanks for the explaining the difference.
1/18/2018 10:17:08 PM EDT
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Keep in mind that while Cadex and Colt Canada both make tri-rails, they're not the same. The CC Triad is what we issue on the rifles and I've yet to see a Cadex one in use (by anyone, even other C7/C8 users).
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That I didn't know. Thanks for the explaining the difference.
1/18/2018 10:48:21 PM EDT
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Fantastic looking rifle; thanks for sharing. I have a few questions:

(1) what sling  is being issued for your rifles?
(2) What weapon light is being issued for your C7's?
(3) I have seen a few pictures of C-8's with Eotechs. Are you still using Eotechs on C-8's to replace the C-79's or another optic?

Thanks for posting
1/18/2018 11:15:21 PM EDT
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Fantastic looking rifle; thanks for sharing. I have a few questions:

(1) what sling  is being issued for your rifles?
(2) What weapon light is being issued for your C7's?
(3) I have seen a few pictures of C-8's with Eotechs. Are you still using Eotechs on C-8's to replace the C-79's or another optic?

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(1) issued military sling Army. CSOR user preference
(2) M3X in black, older Halogen model. Newer lights used by CSOR can be anything surefire (scouts)
(3) CSOR use EXPS3, also seen with Spectre DR's. Big Army still uses the C79

CSOR is the Canadian Special Operations Regiment.
1/18/2018 11:40:35 PM EDT
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(3) CSOR use EXPS3, also seen with Spectre DR's. Big Army still uses the C79
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Further to that, we used to issue the C8A1/A2 with Eotech 552's, but there was a warranty issue around 2010, and they were all pulled and replaced by the Elcan C79A2.
1/19/2018 3:09:12 AM EDT
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...of the bayonet if they issue you one.  

Also, what type of finish is on the barrel?  It looks shiny almost like Melonite, or is it just oiled phosphate?

Thanks for a great thread.
1/19/2018 4:58:16 AM EDT
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Not really clone correct or anything. But it's my favorite rifle and it's inspired by the C7A2.
Colt AR15A4
handguard, grip is from Armalite
stock is the Vltor A5 system
BCM tri-rail clone
rail on the handguard is from GGG
the grip is a Cadex I got for $5.

That and the price of an Elcan I really don't want. :D

I sorta wanted to do a close of a clone as possible in the beginning. But then decided to go similar, but do what I wanted. Looking for Colt Canada furniture, the proper made Diemaco/CC tri-rail, Cadex rail section, etc was way more than I wanted to spend when/if I could find them.





1/19/2018 5:07:39 AM EDT
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(1) issued military sling Army. CSOR user preference
(2) M3X in black, older Halogen model. Newer lights used by CSOR can be anything surefire (scouts)
(3) CSOR use EXPS3, also seen with Spectre DR's. Big Army still uses the C79

CSOR is the Canadian Special Operations Regiment.
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Thanks for the info. Are the Scouts and Eotechs in black or FDE?
1/19/2018 10:27:35 AM EDT
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Thanks for a great thread.
Barrel is phosphated, I just oiled mine because this was the first time I've had it out since coming back from Latvia.

And since you asked, our Bayonet 2000 from Eickhorn. There is a MOLLE frog that they attach to.







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Thanks for the info. Are the Scouts and Eotechs in black or FDE?
I've seen a mix of black and FDE on display in photos. The couple times I worked with squirrels they had their rifles painted and I didn't notice.
1/19/2018 10:35:54 AM EDT
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OP:

More questions but first, THANKS!!

1}  What is the use of carbines in the Canadian Army?

2}  Are the plans to keep the Rifle upper/Carbine lower for some time to come?

3}  CA personnel don't keep their weapons at home, do they?

PS;  interesting grind on that blade.  Sort of a semi-chisel grind.
1/19/2018 10:52:40 AM EDT
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More questions but first, THANKS!!

1}  What is the use of carbines in the Canadian Army?

2}  Are the plans to keep the Rifle upper/Carbine lower for some time to come?

3}  CA personnel don't keep their weapons at home, do they?

PS;  interesting grind on that blade.  Sort of a semi-chisel grind.
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1) Carbines used to be issued to armoured pers and drivers, ya know, folks that needed a short rifle for confined spaces.

Now they tend to be issued to high speed folks such as recce, snipers, OP's, and others where a full C7 is cumbersome.

*side note* C8 carbines come with a different CC Triad mount than the C7 rifle. The carbine Triad has a stepped front face.

2) There has been pipeline dreams each time Colt Canada released something new (IUR, and then MRR) but outside CANSOFCOM, there hasn't been any tenders in a long time.

3) Negative. Our service rifles get locked up in the vault at work and then I go home and fondle my personal rifles.
1/19/2018 11:23:08 AM EDT
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1) Carbines used to be issued to armoured pers and drivers, ya know, folks that needed a short rifle for confined spaces.

Now they tend to be issued to high speed folks such as recce, snipers, OP's, and others where a full C7 is cumbersome.

*side note* C8 carbines come with a different CC Triad mount than the C7 rifle. The carbine Triad has a stepped front face.

2) There has been pipeline dreams each time Colt Canada released something new (IUR, and then MRR) but outside CANSOFCOM, there hasn't been any tenders in a long time.

3) Negative. Our service rifles get locked up in the vault at work and then I go home and fondle my personal rifles.
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Thanks.

I didn't think weapons were brought home, but some Euro forces allow that so I was wondering.
1/19/2018 11:49:29 AM EDT
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(1) issued military sling Army. CSOR user preference
(2) M3X in black, older Halogen model. Newer lights used by CSOR can be anything surefire (scouts)
(3) CSOR use EXPS3, also seen with Spectre DR's. Big Army still uses the C79

CSOR is the Canadian Special Operations Regiment.
Thanks for the info. Are the Scouts and Eotechs in black or FDE?
Generally they are black.
1/19/2018 11:59:46 AM EDT
[#27]
Love me some C7A2! My GTR is inspired by it. I live the 20” with a collapsible stock. Super handy!
1/19/2018 1:12:11 PM EDT
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What's the accuracy like with those handguards?
1/19/2018 2:43:19 PM EDT
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As good as you'd expect from a gov't profile barrel that's not freefloated...

I think the best I ever shot from 100m was a 2" grouping.
1/19/2018 3:37:46 PM EDT
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Great pictures, thank you for posting them!

My personal rifle is a weird hybrid of a C7 and a C7A2 with Magpul furniture and soon-to-be a compact ACOG. It's a great 'outdoor' rifle in my experience, and is usable in CQB.
1/19/2018 9:15:56 PM EDT
[#31]
Great pics and info. Thank you.

My personal favorite AR I own is a 20" rifle with a FSB, flat top receiver, cut down carry handle rear sight, and a carbine stock.
1/19/2018 9:35:56 PM EDT
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NICE!
1/20/2018 2:16:20 PM EDT
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As good as you'd expect from a gov't profile barrel that's not freefloated...

I think the best I ever shot from 100m was a 2" grouping.
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What's the accuracy like with those handguards?
As good as you'd expect from a gov't profile barrel that's not freefloated...

I think the best I ever shot from 100m was a 2" grouping.
That's ammo. I run a normal handguard A1 that used to do about 1-1.5 MOA with better ammo, with occasional sub-MOA groups.

OP how are things at 2PPCLI these days? 26 years ago I did a rotation with ya, on loan from 1 Armor in Calgary when that still existed.

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