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Posted: 11/26/2009 9:41:43 AM EDT
| Do they build a good AK?How do they compare to the Lancaster (I have a red from them)? I see that they are having a Black Friday sale. Any info appreciated. |
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I got a TGI a month ago. Seems to be a good shooter. I've only run 125 rounds through it but it has'nt fallen apart yet. The Bulgy plum furniture looks new. The sights aren't canted. I'd say that the only thing that really "bugged me" was the metal finish. They claim its "parked". Its the WORST park job I've ever seen. Its so thin I can easily scrape it off with my finger nail. After a week I got sick of it and sanded it off and painted it semi-gloss black. Spray can of Rustoleum BBQ. I didn't trust the lousy park job enough to even use it as a primer coat. Don't laugh. It looks a hell-of-alot better now than it did outta the box. Besides, real AK-74's are painted black. Not parked.
If I had it to do over again, I'd probably go with an In Range build. But I know alot of guys like Lancaster too. |
| We are a distributor for TGI , they do not build the rifles they have them contract built for them by other firms . They carry everything from a economical rifle right into higher quality builds by In Range. Their lower priced rifles are not a trophy rifle but are good base shooters. |
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We are a distributor for TGI , they do not build the rifles they have them contract built for them by other firms . They carry everything from a economical rifle right into higher quality builds by In Range. Their lower priced rifles are not a trophy rifle but are good base shooters. Can you give examples of their builders? |
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Do they build a good AK?How do they compare to the Lancaster (I have a red from them)? I see that they are having a Black Friday sale. Any info appreciated. In the $499 price range, you have three choices: TGI, Lancaster, and Century. Of those three, the Lancaster will be the nicest. The TGI rifles function fine, and as Atlantic said above, they are decent shooters. But as other posters have said, the finish on the TGI rifles is not great. Do a search for "TGI" over on AKFiles.com, and you'll read a lot of mixed reviews. If you can spend a little more, $599 will get you a nicer Lancaster or an In Range. Both should function fine. If authenticity is important to you, the In Range has an original barrel and you'd probably want it. If accuracy is more important to you, the new U.S. barrel on the Lancaster will better fit that bill. You can also opt for nice, refinished Bulgarian wood on the Lancaster if that's more your style. I have seen a TGI rifle, and have personally owned both an In Range and a Lancaster rifle. I only still own the Lancaster. |
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If authenticity is important to you, the In Range has an original barrel and you'd probably want it. If accuracy is more important to you, the new U.S. barrel on the Lancaster will better fit that bill. do you have any evidence to this fact or is this merely your speculation and heresay? what is your data?? loads?? results?? distances?? weapons tested?? very curious to this since all the REAL bbl'd 74's ive shot are very very accurate |
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If authenticity is important to you, the In Range has an original barrel and you'd probably want it. If accuracy is more important to you, the new U.S. barrel on the Lancaster will better fit that bill. do you have any evidence to this fact or is this merely your speculation and heresay? what is your data?? loads?? results?? distances?? weapons tested?? very curious to this since all the REAL bbl'd 74's ive shot are very very accurate Uh oh, I've hurt your feelings again, haven't I? Yes, it is a fairly well-established fact that a modern, well-made U.S. barrel such as that found on Lancaster's rifles will - in terms of accuracy - often outperform an original "mil-spec" barrel. The reasons for this are found in the different natures of each respective barrel. "Mil-spec" barrels are made to acheive acceptable accuracy, but the focus is on durability. U.S. barrels, on the other hand, are generally made to tighter tolerances than the original barrels, which lends itself to better accuracy. Since you appear unfamiliar with this concept, a more thorough discussion of "foreign barrel durability vs. U.S. barrel accuracy" can be found here. And sure enough, the conventional wisdom on this subject has been noted by myself and others. As I found out just yesterday, my Lancaster built AK-74 is more accurate than my other AK's. Once I got it locked in yesterday, it was shooting 2MAO. And that's with me being very out of practice. I just can't get that kind of accuracy out of my AK's with original barrels. And as you may recall in this recent thread, Serb - who owns the exact same rifles we're talking about here - stated that the original barrel on his Marcolmar/In Range rifle does not hold groups "anywhere near" that of his U.S. barreled AK. I guess you think he was imagining this??? (BTW, that was the same thread were you got bent out of shape when Atlantic - a company that sells thousands of rifles a year, and thus might know what it's talking about - stated that their U.S. AK barrels are "as good as or better than the originals". You're still mad about that, aren't you?) Look, if I'm going for authenticity, yes...I'll want an original barrel. In fact, I have a new Polish rifle coming in from Lancaster this next week. And since I purchased it for collecting instead of shooting, I'm quite glad it will have the original barrel. But if my most important concern is accuracy, I'd probably request a U.S. barrel since, most of the time, a modern U.S. barrel is going to be more accurate than the original barrel. Now, if you don't think that what I've just written is true, fine. It wouldn't be the first thing for which your opinion didn't jibe with what most others know to be true. I'm quite happy for any readers of this thread to come to their own conclusions. But really, let's be honest. Your disagreement here isn't even about barrels. Nah...ever since that thread over a month ago where you got bizarrely angry and took personal offense over the fact that I panned my In Range rifle and decided not to keep it due to several flaws, you just can't help yourself. You now need to ride to In Range's defense anytime anyone suggests that the In Range rifle might not be the best rifle for a particular buyer, or otherwise says anything critical of them. (this is the latest example, where someone complained about the furniture on their In Range rifle, and you raced to ensure that person knew it was not In Range's fault.) Come to find out, you are a long time customer of In Range, and take any criticisms of their products personally. That's kinda weird, but whatever. And also because of that review I posted, you now feel an equally bizarre need to question things I post. Even when it's a fairly accepted convention regarding rifle barrels. Seriously carbineking, get over it. |
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I don't think most users would ever notice a difference in accuracy or durability with either source of barrel on an AK. The open sights are mediocre at best, and I have never seen match ammo available for the 5.45 round. I have also never heard of someone shooting out their semi auto AK74 barrel.
So really both points don't matter. If a user prefers an authentic barrel for their own enjoyment, nothing wrong with that. In reality it doesn't matter other the personal preference. Oh, and IBTL |
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I don't think most users would ever notice a difference in accuracy or durability with either source of barrel on an AK. The open sights are mediocre at best, and I have never seen match ammo available for the 5.45 round. I have also never heard of someone shooting out their semi auto AK74 barrel. So really both points don't matter. If a user prefers an authentic barrel for their own enjoyment, nothing wrong with that. In reality it doesn't matter other the personal preference. Oh, and IBTL I mostly agree with you, except on the accuracy part. I actually have noticed an accuracy difference between my new 74 with U.S. barrel, and my other AKs. Serb mentioned that he did too. Now, if you want to put that in terms of, "Does it really matter for the type of shooting you do", the answer would be "No." (Although, if I hunted with my 74, as a few people do, or if I ever needed to use it for self defense, I would want every tiny accuracy advantage I could get.) In essence, if a U.S. barrel is slightly more accurate, does it therefore follow that an original barrel will be inaccurate? No. And if an original barrel is slightly more durable than a U.S. barrel, does it therefore follow that the U.S. barrel will not be durable? No. So yeah, it mostly boils down to preference. But preference, doesn't change certain observable attributes. |
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StephenNW, you posted an observation, a widely broad observation and simply wanted to know how you came to this conclusion that US bbls were more accurate since that has NOT been my experiences..i did not mention IR and this has nothing to do with IR at all..this has to with your total authority on the subject of accuracy...simple ....you cannot shoot ONE gun and make a blanket statement, so i just wanted to know where your results came from and if this was YOUR declaration of fact or again, speculation...i think you cleared it up, your observations are your observations and not rooted in fact...just the same as mine..MY observations....thaaank you your kindness
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Sorry to " jump in" a little late about this, but I just noticed that back there a ways Atlantic posted that TGI "contracts out" their builds. I didn't know that when I bought mine. So they use "ghost-builders"? I dunno but that sounds a little "spooky" to me. Do they supply a list of these "ghost-builders"? I'd sure like to know WHICH "ghost-builder" ghost built mine. It all sounds a little too weird. The next thing ya know, they'll be use'n "Zombie" builders. Who knows???...... Maybe they already do. Mine had a "Zombie" park job. 
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