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9/9/2007 8:44:38 PM EDT
OK have a question on the PSL. I have a buddy in Baghdad at the moment (BTW he says it is hot and very boring!! Not the horror movie the media is reporting about), and he got to shoot a captured PSL and now wants one bad. And he wanted to know what kind of groups you guys get with them and how far out have you constantly gotten hits with it on a man sized target? What would you consider the max range for a 1st shot hit with one? I will forward this all to him. His internet connection sucks take him 20 min to load one letter from home so I am going to condense this all for him.  Also with the scope off center do you have to correct for that as you aim at further targets?

                 Thanx
9/14/2007 2:57:31 PM EDT
[#1]

Quoted:
OK have a question on the PSL. I have a buddy in Baghdad at the moment (BTW he says it is hot and very boring!! Not the horror movie the media is reporting about), and he got to shoot a captured PSL and now wants one bad. And he wanted to know what kind of groups you guys get with them and how far out have you constantly gotten hits with it on a man sized target? What would you consider the max range for a 1st shot hit with one? I will forward this all to him. His internet connection sucks take him 20 min to load one letter from home so I am going to condense this all for him.  Also with the scope off center do you have to correct for that as you aim at further targets?

                 Thanx
To be honest it all depends on the ammo your firing. With mine and ammo it liked with a 4X scope it was 1.5 MOA accurate for 10 rd. groups with that same ammo a 500M  COM shot on a humanoid target was simple as dial in elev. on the scope and shoot IMHO if I knew my rifle and kept a good data book I feel 700M is not out of the question for a first rd COM hit  That is if the shooter is up to the task also. Most of the folks I know that shoot the PSL are getting accuracy from 2-4 MOA for 10 rds with common Milsurp Ball,If your friend has access to "good ammunition " all the better.Theres only one way to find what your rifle likes that is to go and shoot it.
     As far as the offset scope ,Simple. The scope is offset to the left approx. 3/4"off the CL off the bore, When you sight in at 100M ,You would want your bullet to impact that same 3/4" to the left of your POA Doing it this way will ensure your windage correction will always be the same  3/4" left  of POA at any range you shoot  
     
9/14/2007 4:12:38 PM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
OK have a question on the PSL. I have a buddy in Baghdad at the moment (BTW he says it is hot and very boring!! Not the horror movie the media is reporting about), and he got to shoot a captured PSL and now wants one bad. And he wanted to know what kind of groups you guys get with them and how far out have you constantly gotten hits with it on a man sized target?


As to PSL accuracy, think of it more like a DMR or Squad Supporting Rifle and you will be more satisfied.  The thin barrel will get hot quickly.  Keep your bullet choices in the 147gr to 155gr range for best reliablity/not beating the snot out of your PSL.  Anything better than 2 to 2.5 MOA is good.


Quoted:
Also with the scope off center do you have to correct for that as you aim at further targets?


You could also get a mount for the PSL that is closer to centerline then the standard one.

POSP/PSO Low Profile SKS/SVD Version Side Mount to Weaver Rail
Price: $49.97
9/15/2007 12:17:56 PM EDT
[#3]
thanx guys i sent it off to him and should have a reply soon...
9/22/2007 5:24:26 PM EDT
[#4]
He says thnks he just had his father order one for him and he will let yall know how it shoots in Jan when he gets back..
9/24/2007 11:18:40 AM EDT
[#5]
you know that is the same reason i bought my PSL,.. i got to play with one while i was over,..(01/04-03/05) i ordered mine sight unseen online and unknowingly lucked out and got a 100% Romanian factory made and assembled 2004 rifle.

i got two matching # mags and a 4x scope for like 800 if i remember correctly,. when i got home on R&R i went and picked it up and gave it a good work out,.. and fell in love with it. it is the one rifle in my collection that i will never part with.

like the poster above said ammo selection is the key to accuracy with this rifle. most if not all of the light ball surplus (145-155gr) is corrosive and some extra work need to be done when cleaning,. if you dont mind corrosive ammo then look for the following ammo.

Factory 60 from the early to mid 80's

7n1 from the late 90's (7n1 is the "sniper" ammo)

Czech Silvertip from the 50's-60's

there is alot of other light ball out there but i have had good results with these and i try and stick to them,. make sure to tell him to stay away from the heavy ball ammo 175/180gr.-203gr. ammo as it will beat the crap out of the rifle.

for non corrosive ammo you can shoot the light SP's and HPBT's hunting rounds but they will ass rape you in your wallet (especially S&B 174gr HPBT's) Wolf "Gold" is suppose to be good,.. but still up there in price,. and then there is the steel cased Wolf 148gr. FMJ,. it cost 2-3 times more than some of the surplus ammo,. but it is more accurate than the surplus,. cost less than the other non-corrosive,. but you can not reload the spent cases like you can with the S&B or Wolf Gold

the PSL's are pretty rough on brass,. so i just get the Wolf 148gr FMJ

two things to keep in mind for upgrades to the rifle,.. an adjustable FCG (trigger group) and a 8x POSP or 3-9x POSP scope to replace the 4X scope that should come with the rifle

hope it helps



ETA the pic. of me and my baby
9/24/2007 11:31:43 AM EDT
[#6]
Are there any PSL importers/manufacturers to stay away from?
9/24/2007 11:59:30 AM EDT
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Are there any PSL importers/manufacturers to stay away from?


i wouldent say stay away from any ceartain ones,.. just try and look them over as best you can before you buy,. look at it in person or at least get some detail photos if possable.

for instance,.. TN Guns,.. they did ALOT of kit guns,..most are pretty decent,.. and others,.. well they needed help. most of this isses are with the bolt hold open/ center support hardware missing,. or the reciver needing a few tweeks,.. most of the fixes can be found on line and from what i hear are pretty easy to do.

but all of thie importers / builders CAI,.IO,.TN Guns can have a lemon from time to time. thats why i said i had lucked out in getting a new (well new back then in dec. 04) manufacture rifle that was made and assembled in Romania for export,. hence a lit bit more care taken in the building and finish

now i am not knocking the kit guns i have seen some that where outstanding,. but i have seen a few that where crappy builds and obviously just thrown together to make a buck,.. now ther has been instance where a factory rifle was crap as well,.. but it is very rare.


Church,.. tell your buddy to get me some more PSL mags from the sand box,.i have two OIF bringbacks,. and if he knows of any they are definatly going to scrap,.. i can give him a list of parts to take/ cut off before they tourch it ot blow it up.
9/25/2007 2:32:54 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
you know that is the same reason i bought my PSL,.. i got to play with one while i was over,..(01/04-03/05) i ordered mine sight unseen online and unknowingly lucked out and got a 100% Romanian factory made and assembled 2004 rifle.

i got two matching # mags and a 4x scope for like 800 if i remember correctly,. when i got home on R&R i went and picked it up and gave it a good work out,.. and fell in love with it. it is the one rifle in my collection that i will never part with.

like the poster above said ammo selection is the key to accuracy with this rifle. most if not all of the light ball surplus (145-155gr) is corrosive and some extra work need to be done when cleaning,. if you dont mind corrosive ammo then look for the following ammo.

Factory 60 from the early to mid 80's

7n1 from the late 90's (7n1 is the "sniper" ammo)

Czech Silvertip from the 50's-60's

there is alot of other light ball out there but i have had good results with these and i try and stick to them,. make sure to tell him to stay away from the heavy ball ammo 175/180gr.-203gr. ammo as it will beat the crap out of the rifle.

for non corrosive ammo you can shoot the light SP's and HPBT's hunting rounds but they will ass rape you in your wallet (especially S&B 174gr HPBT's) Wolf "Gold" is suppose to be good,.. but still up there in price,. and then there is the steel cased Wolf 148gr. FMJ,. it cost 2-3 times more than some of the surplus ammo,. but it is more accurate than the surplus,. cost less than the other non-corrosive,. but you can not reload the spent cases like you can with the S&B or Wolf Gold

the PSL's are pretty rough on brass,. so i just get the Wolf 148gr FMJ

two things to keep in mind for upgrades to the rifle,.. an adjustable FCG (trigger group) and a 8x POSP or 3-9x POSP scope to replace the 4X scope that should come with the rifle

hope it helps

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ETA the pic. of me and my baby


Cruzie27

I took your advice and upgraded the scope when I bought mine.  I am looking forward to shooting it.

I was going to get a SIG 556 but I just could not do it.  Besides I have always wanted one of these.

Max
10/2/2007 7:58:44 PM EDT
[#9]
what parts i will let him know. BTW the loved the pic...
10/3/2007 6:25:10 PM EDT
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what parts i will let him know. BTW the loved the pic...


if they are in good  condition,. the handguards and buttstock,.. the lower handguards are especially hard to come across these days.

top covers,. does not matter what condition they are in so long as they are not mangled,. it is another part that is hard to replace due to it being longer than any other AK top cover on the planet

complete bolts,. or even just the fireing pins,. extractors and extractor springs with the retaing pins that hold them in the bolt.

if he has the tools to do it,. and finds a PSL with the removable brake held on by a plunger in the front sight,. chop the barrel right behind the bayonet lug ring that is behind the front sight and send the whole assembly,...i know i would love to "retro" my PSL and add the lug,.. i am sure others would too.

and if he has the tools to chop the barrel have him cut out the center support rivet that has all of the bolt hold open hardware,.. and tell him to keep it just incase his rifle back home does not have it.

other than that,.. mags,. mags,. and more mags.

make sure you tell him the most important thing is that he gets his @$$ home safe though

a reciept for less than $100 from one of the Hajji stores for "souvenirs" (ie. not war tropies) should help with one problem,..the hard part is the boneheads at the post office.




10/7/2007 10:12:46 PM EDT
[#11]
sent him your last post i will see what he can do.
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