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I'm pissed off at Magpul about the Zhukov stock not allowing the rifle to cycle while folded, it is now relegated as my truck gun. I took an excellent quality (not my best one) AK47 variant, put their Zhukov equipment on it and it will not work as stated. Their support could not rectify the issue, so now it has been assigned the duty of residing in my truck in case a SHTF event occurs. If they would have simply manufactured the stock to be reversible this could have been avoided. Damn you Magpul!!! ETA: I have a standard charging handle, and a single stock trunnion. The 1.6mm receiver was built by Armory USA and has no problem with any other stock. |
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Originally Posted By OnlytheTip:
I'm pissed off at Magpul about the Zhukov stock not allowing the rifle to cycle while folded, it is now relegated as my truck gun. I took an excellent quality (not my best one) AK47 variant, put their Zhukov equipment on it and it will not work as stated. Their support could not rectify the issue, so now it has been assigned the duty of residing in my truck in case a SHTF event occurs. If they would have simply manufactured the stock to be reversible this could have been avoided. Damn you Magpul!!!
ETA: I have a standard charging handle, and a single stock trunnion. The 1.6mm receiver was built by Armory USA and has no problem with any other stock. Pictures would be nice. Of the 5 or so Zhukov stocks I've seen on various AK stamped rifles, all can cycle with the stock folded. These where all standard 1mm Euro pattern AKM/AK74 variants. None had an extended charging handle knob/attachment hence my earlier post asking if it would cycle while folded. Possibility that your rear trunnion isn't square to the receiver causing an issue. And that would NOT be Magpuls fault. Then again the loose tolerances that AK rifles are made to compared to an AR causing fitting of stocks and handguards on some rifles to drop-in and even a bit loose on others makes it nigh impossible for a company to a stock be a perfect fit on all AK rifles. |
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I sent pictures to Magpul, they offered a few tips that involved modding the gun to fit their part (I'd rather mod the part to fit the gun. The problem occurs when I tighten down the internal wedge, when it's loose the stock works perfectly, but once I tighten it, the stock rises just enough to interfere with the charging handle. Everything is perfectly squared, it's not the receiver or the trunnion. This is how it marries up when tightened down, when the wedge is loose it fits perfectly with no gap, and perfectly squared against the receiver. It's weird how the wedge makes the stock rise up just enough to interfere with the charging handle. I'd rather have the Zhukov stocks receiver block designed like any other polymer or wooden stock. The old school design is bulletproof.     |
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| Did you try a shim between the tang and the stock? You might be able to get it to sit just a bit lower on the receiver. Then it might clear. I accidently used a washer that spaced my previous stock down, when I put the magpul folder on. My rifle has no tang. It secures with only the front hole. Try 2 washers or make a shim that covers both holes. You might get lucky. |
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Originally Posted By OnlytheTip:
I'm pissed off at Magpul about the Zhukov stock not allowing the rifle to cycle while folded, it is now relegated as my truck gun. I took an excellent quality (not my best one) AK47 variant, put their Zhukov equipment on it and it will not work as stated. Their support could not rectify the issue, so now it has been assigned the duty of residing in my truck in case a SHTF event occurs. If they would have simply manufactured the stock to be reversible this could have been avoided. Damn you Magpul!!!
ETA: I have a standard charging handle, and a single stock trunnion. The 1.6mm receiver was built by Armory USA and has no problem with any other stock. FWIW I also have this issue. The stock is just barely high enough to interfere with the standard charging handle on my WASR. |
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Cant tell from those pics, but how is your charging handle angled?
Looking down the muzzle, gun cleared first, is the charging handle 90° out or does it angle down slightly? Also, have you tried the stock without the wedge? How tight, secure is the stock without? If solid then just dont use it. |
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Originally Posted By Michael64: Cant tell from those pics, but how is your charging handle angled? Looking down the muzzle, gun cleared first, is the charging handle 90° out or does it angle down slightly? Also, have you tried the stock without the wedge? How tight, secure is the stock without? If solid then just dont use it. You have to use the wedge, otherwise the stock is only being held on by a screw. Leaving the wedge out is not going to work as that is basically the only way the stock is secured to the receiver., minus the trunnion screw. Someone recommended putting a spacer under the tang, I will attempt that, if I can find one that will fit and not jack anything else up. |
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That last stock pic looks like there is a slight gap at the top of the rear trunnion between the Zhukov and rifle and not a gap at the bottom.
That would cause the butt of the stock to rise slightly when the stock is folded, causing issues with the charging handle. |
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Originally Posted By Michael64:
That last stock pic looks like there is a slight gap at the top of the rear trunnion between the Zhukov and rifle and not a gap at the bottom. That would cause the butt of the stock to rise slightly when the stock is folded, causing issues with the charging handle. Mine also has a gap at the top but not the bottom. If I eliminate the gap, the charging handle clears. I'm going to work on modifying the stock so I can stay gap-free after I tighten down the screws. If I figure out a fix I'll post it. |
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Originally Posted By avatarhammer:
If all else fails you could go Romy Aims 74 style and torch the charging handle and bend it up x number of degrees. That might be a way to get those knurled Tromix Screw on knobs to clear too.  Already considering doing that so I can add an extension. |
Shot mine on Monday finally. Felt great.
Saiga .223 by David Pyzik, on Flickr |
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Originally Posted By Deussne:
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f134/Deussne/IMG_0624_zps0h7b9u3x.jpg That is sick |
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Originally Posted By willi3d:
Midway has the black MOE stock actually in stock now. Originally Posted By willi3d:
Originally Posted By seej333:
Got an email from magpul their now shipping the MOE stock. Midway has the black MOE stock actually in stock now. Yeah looks like vendors are getting them now, mine from DSG is in the mail now. |
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Originally Posted By brianm602:
My stamped DDI gun came in this week and my Magpul furniture came in today. The MOE hand guard set required quite a bit of fitting, the grip went on with no issues and the stock dropped right in. Gun as pictured without mag comes in at 7lbs. <a href="http://s70.photobucket.com/user/brianm602/media/Guns/20150702_152425_zpscrnbpngw.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i103/brianm602/Guns/20150702_152425_zpscrnbpngw.jpg</a> <a href="http://s70.photobucket.com/user/brianm602/media/Guns/20150702_152718_zpse26g0vzv.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i103/brianm602/Guns/20150702_152718_zpse26g0vzv.jpg</a> 
My LGS messaged me and ask me which color I wanted. Hopefully he ordered the OD Green stock and the wait won't be too long. How is the cheek weld on the new stock? |
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Originally Posted By B62stew:
https://gameositydotcom4.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/beautiful.gif My LGS messaged me and ask me which color I wanted. Hopefully he ordered the OD Green stock and the wait won't be too long. How is the cheek weld on the new stock? Originally Posted By B62stew:
Originally Posted By brianm602:
My stamped DDI gun came in this week and my Magpul furniture came in today. The MOE hand guard set required quite a bit of fitting, the grip went on with no issues and the stock dropped right in. Gun as pictured without mag comes in at 7lbs. <a href="http://s70.photobucket.com/user/brianm602/media/Guns/20150702_152425_zpscrnbpngw.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i103/brianm602/Guns/20150702_152425_zpscrnbpngw.jpg</a> <a href="http://s70.photobucket.com/user/brianm602/media/Guns/20150702_152718_zpse26g0vzv.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i103/brianm602/Guns/20150702_152718_zpse26g0vzv.jpg</a> https://gameositydotcom4.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/beautiful.gif My LGS messaged me and ask me which color I wanted. Hopefully he ordered the OD Green stock and the wait won't be too long. How is the cheek weld on the new stock? It lines up with the irons great and didn't really notice it so I guess that's a good thing. I was a little disappointed in that it did not come with the QD socket; you have to spend an extra $10 for it. Yeah DDI is making a beautiful AK but with the Magpul furniture on, it's stunning. |
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Originally Posted By brianm602:
My stamped DDI gun came in this week and my Magpul furniture came in today. The MOE hand guard set required quite a bit of fitting, the grip went on with no issues and the stock dropped right in. Gun as pictured without mag comes in at 7lbs. <a href="http://s70.photobucket.com/user/brianm602/media/Guns/20150702_152425_zpscrnbpngw.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i103/brianm602/Guns/20150702_152425_zpscrnbpngw.jpg</a> <a href="http://s70.photobucket.com/user/brianm602/media/Guns/20150702_152718_zpse26g0vzv.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i103/brianm602/Guns/20150702_152718_zpse26g0vzv.jpg</a> --The MOE hand guard set required quite a bit of fitting-- I have the ddi also how much fitting are you taking about |
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Originally Posted By corben556:
Just found out the hand guard needs a normal gas tube to work on a saiga. anyone know any cheap deals out there. best I found was $26.99 for used Bulgarian Is the extra heat shield on the gastube causing the problem? If so you might be able to find a VEPR gas tube (has no extra heat shield). Looks really clean too.
26.99 is not bad. I've seen some running 40ish. |
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Magpul MOE AK Stock
I finally got it today at my work. Decided to play around with it to get used to it. I am very impressed with the build, it feels very sturdy and firm. You can literally break someone's jaw with it if you decide to use this buttstock as a blunt instrument on someone. I like the compartment, the compartment lid also feel sturdy and not too fiilmsy. The problem? While trying to attach the wedge block to the long bolt, the bolt wasn't long enough. It's only two inches long. I double-checked the installation manual and it shows that the bolt is way longer on the manual than what I have in my hand. Grrrrr! So, I have two choices: Go to ace hardware store and get a replacement bolt or call Magpul and have them send me a replacement bolt which I know will take approximately one week before it arrives. To be honest, I have known Magpul's reputation to be good at quality control, I'm surprised how they could let that slip! |
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Originally Posted By Deussne: http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f134/Deussne/IMG_0708_zpsyvmoa3mz.jpg Magpul needs to address the issue of the stock interfering with the operation of the normal cycling of the rifle. Some people say it isn't a problem with their AK variant, and others are experiencing the same problems I have. Magpul, the solution is to just make the receiver insert a solid piece instead of a wedge. That would require a redesign, but it would make the stock able to fit every AK variant. |
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Originally Posted By OnlytheTip:
Does your charging handle clear the stock? Magpul needs to address the issue of the stock interfering with the operation of the normal cycling of the rifle. Some people say it isn't a problem with their AK variant, and others are experiencing the same problems I have. Magpul, the solution is to just make the receiver insert a solid piece instead of a wedge. That would require a redesign, but it would make the stock able to fit every AK variant. Originally Posted By OnlytheTip:
Originally Posted By Deussne:
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f134/Deussne/IMG_0708_zpsyvmoa3mz.jpg Magpul needs to address the issue of the stock interfering with the operation of the normal cycling of the rifle. Some people say it isn't a problem with their AK variant, and others are experiencing the same problems I have. Magpul, the solution is to just make the receiver insert a solid piece instead of a wedge. That would require a redesign, but it would make the stock able to fit every AK variant. They should have made it fold to the left. |
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Originally Posted By FullMetalMike:
They should have made it fold to the left. Originally Posted By FullMetalMike:
Originally Posted By OnlytheTip:
Originally Posted By Deussne:
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f134/Deussne/IMG_0708_zpsyvmoa3mz.jpg Magpul needs to address the issue of the stock interfering with the operation of the normal cycling of the rifle. Some people say it isn't a problem with their AK variant, and others are experiencing the same problems I have. Magpul, the solution is to just make the receiver insert a solid piece instead of a wedge. That would require a redesign, but it would make the stock able to fit every AK variant. They should have made it fold to the left. Then there would be issues with the scope rails. The spec/quality tolerances between builds is what is causing some to have issues. Magpul can only account for so much. |
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Originally Posted By ChaZ:
Magpul MOE AK Stock I finally got it today at my work. Decided to play around with it to get used to it. I am very impressed with the build, it feels very sturdy and firm. You can literally break someone's jaw with it if you decide to use this buttstock as a blunt instrument on someone. I like the compartment, the compartment lid also feel sturdy and not too fiilmsy. The problem? While trying to attach the wedge block to the long bolt, the bolt wasn't long enough. It's only two inches long. I double-checked the installation manual and it shows that the bolt is way longer on the manual than what I have in my hand. Grrrrr! So, I have two choices: Go to ace hardware store and get a replacement bolt or call Magpul and have them send me a replacement bolt which I know will take approximately one week before it arrives. To be honest, I have known Magpul's reputation to be good at quality control, I'm surprised how they could let that slip! I did not run into this problem. Can you measure your screw and I can tell you if it's incorrect for sure. Just seems odd. |
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Then there would be issues with the scope rails.
The spec/quality tolerances between builds is what is causing some to have issues. Magpul can only account for so much. Yeah, I just feel like having a stock folded in front of the safety and charging handle is a bad design. Personally, I would rather not be able to fold the stock at all because I have optics mounted rather than have the stock folded in front of the safety and charging handle. I know folding it to the right gives you the option to have optics mounted and (probably) still be able to still operate the rifle with the stock folded, but its an AK. It has design issues and I feel like you have to sacrifice somewhere because of those issues, and I personally feel like its a better sacrifice to not be able to fold the stock if you mount optics rather than having something getting in the way of operating the rifle, which is far more important. Besides, if you have optics mounted to the scope rail, youre probably going to have a cheek riser on the stock, which is just going to get in the way of the charging handle anyway, right? I dont know, I just feel like they could have put a little more thought into its design or something. |
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Originally Posted By FullMetalMike:
Yeah, I just feel like having a stock folded in front of the safety and charging handle is a bad design. Personally, I would rather not be able to fold the stock at all because I have optics mounted rather than have the stock folded in front of the safety and charging handle. I know folding it to the right gives you the option to have optics mounted and (probably) still be able to still operate the rifle with the stock folded, but its an AK. It has design issues and I feel like you have to sacrifice somewhere because of those issues, and I personally feel like its a better sacrifice to not be able to fold the stock if you mount optics rather than having something getting in the way of operating the rifle, which is far more important. Besides, if you have optics mounted to the scope rail, youre probably going to have a cheek riser on the stock, which is just going to get in the way of the charging handle anyway, right? I dont know, I just feel like they could have put a little more thought into its design or something. Originally Posted By FullMetalMike:
Then there would be issues with the scope rails.
The spec/quality tolerances between builds is what is causing some to have issues. Magpul can only account for so much. Yeah, I just feel like having a stock folded in front of the safety and charging handle is a bad design. Personally, I would rather not be able to fold the stock at all because I have optics mounted rather than have the stock folded in front of the safety and charging handle. I know folding it to the right gives you the option to have optics mounted and (probably) still be able to still operate the rifle with the stock folded, but its an AK. It has design issues and I feel like you have to sacrifice somewhere because of those issues, and I personally feel like its a better sacrifice to not be able to fold the stock if you mount optics rather than having something getting in the way of operating the rifle, which is far more important. Besides, if you have optics mounted to the scope rail, youre probably going to have a cheek riser on the stock, which is just going to get in the way of the charging handle anyway, right? I dont know, I just feel like they could have put a little more thought into its design or something. It's a problem for your use, but people have been coming here (and to other AK boards) for ages complaining that they have to remove their optics to fold their stocks and crying out for someone, anyone, to mass produce quality right-side folding stocks for their use. Magpul answered their call and filled a large void in the marketplace, and did so with a design that works with 90% of AKM receivers. I think they clearly put a lot of thought into the design. |
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Originally Posted By OnlytheTip: Does your charging handle clear the stock? Magpul needs to address the issue of the stock interfering with the operation of the normal cycling of the rifle. Some people say it isn't a problem with their AK variant, and others are experiencing the same problems I have. Magpul, the solution is to just make the receiver insert a solid piece instead of a wedge. That would require a redesign, but it would make the stock able to fit every AK variant. Originally Posted By OnlytheTip: Originally Posted By Deussne: http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f134/Deussne/IMG_0708_zpsyvmoa3mz.jpg Magpul needs to address the issue of the stock interfering with the operation of the normal cycling of the rifle. Some people say it isn't a problem with their AK variant, and others are experiencing the same problems I have. Magpul, the solution is to just make the receiver insert a solid piece instead of a wedge. That would require a redesign, but it would make the stock able to fit every AK variant. Its nice to use it with the kobra because it gives you a perfect cheek weld. However, you can't really use your irons with it either. It does not bother me because I really don't need to operate my Vepr with the stock folded. |
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It's a problem for your use, but people have been coming here (and to other AK boards) for ages complaining that they have to remove their optics to fold their stocks and crying out for someone, anyone, to mass produce quality right-side folding stocks for their use. Magpul answered their call and filled a large void in the marketplace, and did so with a design that works with 90% of AKM receivers. I think they clearly put a lot of thought into the design. Yeah thats a good point. I guess in those terms it makes more sense. I tend to think of things from a pretty specific mindset. i dont spend a ton of time on message boards and stuff, so I never really consider the marketplace as much as I think of pure functionality. |
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Originally Posted By Keystone3435:
Can the Ultamak ak47 optic rail be used with the Zhukov Hand guard? Yes. |
Originally Posted By swingset:
Just head on down to your local "Shit Normal People Shouldn't Fuck Around With Supermart". Isle 3, next to the menstruating porcupine.
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Originally Posted By seej333:
I did not run into this problem. Can you measure your screw and I can tell you if it's incorrect for sure. Just seems odd. Originally Posted By seej333:
Originally Posted By ChaZ:
Magpul MOE AK Stock I finally got it today at my work. Decided to play around with it to get used to it. I am very impressed with the build, it feels very sturdy and firm. You can literally break someone's jaw with it if you decide to use this buttstock as a blunt instrument on someone. I like the compartment, the compartment lid also feel sturdy and not too fiilmsy. The problem? While trying to attach the wedge block to the long bolt, the bolt wasn't long enough. It's only two inches long. I double-checked the installation manual and it shows that the bolt is way longer on the manual than what I have in my hand. Grrrrr! So, I have two choices: Go to ace hardware store and get a replacement bolt or call Magpul and have them send me a replacement bolt which I know will take approximately one week before it arrives. To be honest, I have known Magpul's reputation to be good at quality control, I'm surprised how they could let that slip! I did not run into this problem. Can you measure your screw and I can tell you if it's incorrect for sure. Just seems odd. I did already say that it is only two inches long. |
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Originally Posted By corben556:
Just found out the hand guard needs a normal gas tube to work on a saiga. anyone know any cheap deals out there. best I found was $26.99 for used Bulgarian The handguard will work just fine with Saiga gas tube. 
Saiga .223 by David Pyzik, on Flickr |
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Originally Posted By Pyzik:
The handguard will work just fine with Saiga gas tube. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/udRkAJ" target="_blank">https://farm1.staticflickr.com/465/18523413874_1d1109f531_b.jpg</a> Saiga .223 by David Pyzik, on Flickr Originally Posted By Pyzik:
Originally Posted By corben556:
Just found out the hand guard needs a normal gas tube to work on a saiga. anyone know any cheap deals out there. best I found was $26.99 for used Bulgarian The handguard will work just fine with Saiga gas tube. <a href="https://flic.kr/p/udRkAJ" target="_blank">https://farm1.staticflickr.com/465/18523413874_1d1109f531_b.jpg</a> Saiga .223 by David Pyzik, on Flickr Looks good too
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Is the extra heat shield on the gastube causing the problem? If so you might be able to find a VEPR gas tube (has no extra heat shield). Looks really clean too.
26.99 is not bad. I've seen some running 40ish. Not sure , I'm just going to buy an AK gas tube. Still looks nice with out the top. I personally was not impressed with how hot the hand guard still gets with a mag dump. |
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Originally Posted By ChaZ:
Magpul MOE AK Stock I finally got it today at my work. Decided to play around with it to get used to it. I am very impressed with the build, it feels very sturdy and firm. You can literally break someone's jaw with it if you decide to use this buttstock as a blunt instrument on someone. I like the compartment, the compartment lid also feel sturdy and not too fiilmsy. The problem? While trying to attach the wedge block to the long bolt, the bolt wasn't long enough. It's only two inches long. I double-checked the installation manual and it shows that the bolt is way longer on the manual than what I have in my hand. Grrrrr! So, I have two choices: Go to ace hardware store and get a replacement bolt or call Magpul and have them send me a replacement bolt which I know will take approximately one week before it arrives. To be honest, I have known Magpul's reputation to be good at quality control, I'm surprised how they could let that slip! Update: After trying a 3-inch bolt from a hardware store, which is Philip slotted, is not possible to tighten while inside the stock. I called Magwell for a replacement bolt and it finally arrived 8 days later (approx). With hex wrench supplied by Magpul along with stock, I'm happy to announce that the installment is easy and a snap. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to do it. I am very satisfied and happy with the new stock. Extra storage inside compartment along with my cleaning tool is sweet, slipped a froglube tube in it. The cheekweld is perfect for use with my red dot sight on ultimak and iron sights too. I don't need any add-ons at all. Would I recommend it? Yes. I will post a picture or two when I get back home. |
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