Posted: 6/14/2021 12:02:29 PM EDT
| I shoot several handguns on a fairly regular basis. I seem to have an issue with only Glock 9mm (19,17) where I consistently shoot low left. Every other handgun I shoot including a Glock 20 I shoot on target. I am thinking I need to adjust my grip? What advice do you guys have? I am not interested in drifting sights. |
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I think this may be due in part to finger placement on trigger, possible recoil anticipation and a factory trigger pull. Try pulling your trigger finger out a bit, and possibly try to place the hump on the rear bottom of the grip, more toward the center of the palm, than on the muscle of your shooting hand. A bit hard to explain that, but what I have done is, single hand grip of the gun, and then with the non shooting hand, twist the gun so the hump rotates down into the space between the muscles of your hand. Takes a bit of time to get the feel of this grip, every time, but should help make your grip a bit more stable. |
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Originally Posted By 10one: I think this may be due in part to finger placement on trigger, possible recoil anticipation and a factory trigger pull. Try pulling your trigger finger out a bit, and possibly try to place the hump on the rear bottom of the grip, more toward the center of the palm, than on the muscle of your shooting hand. A bit hard to explain that, but what I have done is, single hand grip of the gun, and then with the non shooting hand, twist the gun so the hump rotates down into the space between the muscles of your hand. Takes a bit of time to get the feel of this grip, every time, but should help make your grip a bit more stable. Yup, fundamentals. Trigger and grip. |
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Low and left for right handed Glock shooters, and low and right for left handed Glock shootersvare caused by the same thing. Your hand is squeezing the grip of the gun as you pull the trigger. While pulling the trigger you are also "dipping" your front sight. Much of this is due to the way Glock triggers work. There is nothing "wrong" with glock triggers, they just require a different type of trigger control. Dry firing will allow you to see this happening and help you learn to correct it. |
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OP says that other guns work normally for him, including a different flavor of glock. OP - are the glocks all the same generation with the same size/shape grip? Answer one - The Glock mantra - all errors are the fault of the user, so train around the things that aren't optimal for you. Answer two - find guns with grip/trigger geometries that naturally work with you and stick with those. Both answers have their good and bad sides. Is there value to learning to shoot a pistol who's shape is not quite right for you? Yup. Is needing to compensate differently for different pistols a problem? Yup. If you stick to pistols that all work well with a single consistent grip/trigger geometry you'll be able to shoot them all without any large compensations, but you'll have challenges if you pick up a strange pistol. Choose the path you like and have at it |
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Originally Posted By Amish_Bill: OP says that other guns work normally for him, including a different flavor of glock. OP - are the glocks all the same generation with the same size/shape grip? Answer one - The Glock mantra - all errors are the fault of the user, so train around the things that aren't optimal for you. Answer two - find guns with grip/trigger geometries that naturally work with you and stick with those. Both answers have their good and bad sides. Is there value to learning to shoot a pistol who's shape is not quite right for you? Yup. Is needing to compensate differently for different pistols a problem? Yup. If you stick to pistols that all work well with a single consistent grip/trigger geometry you'll be able to shoot them all without any large compensations, but you'll have challenges if you pick up a strange pistol. Choose the path you like and have at it The 19 is the 5th gen, the 17 is actually a p80 which I guess has a different grip angle. |
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I've never held a 4'th or 5'th gen Glock, so I don't have any specific advise there. And, yes - I recall one of the P80 selling points was a different grip angle, but I suspect it's not the angle as much as other dimensions. Does the 5'th gen still have swappable backstraps? I'd try running a drill or two with each of the different sizes. The G20 - that's not one of the standard frames, right? It has the larger .45/10 grip? You pull the smaller ones but are OK with the bigger one? If the different grip inserts on your 19 don't help, maybe try thickening the grip with friction tape, a Hand-All kind of sleeve, etc. |
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I'm learning to manage the Glock 19 after many, many years of carrying 1911s and Beretta 92 series guns, and it's a long, hard road. I'm experimenting with less strong hand/more weak hand during my dry fire, and it feels much better, the muzzle stays put through the trigger stroke, and I intend to burn up a lot of training ammo when I get home on leave later this month. Solving the low/left problem will be a function of practice and experimentation until I find a comfortable happy medium with the pistol. I will be implementing some of the guidance from this thread, so thanks to all who contributed! |
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I've had the same issue over the years. Call me a quitter but I switched from a G19 to an M&Pc and the issue went away. Recently I picked up a G48 and it went right back to the 7 or 8 o'clock points of impact. The sights haven't been adjust from factory settings, does anyone know how they are set up before they leave the factory? |
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Got a guy in the academy that I worked with for 4 hours. His target looked like you could overlay the glock diagnosis pie chart on top and all his shots would fit in the lower left wedge of the chart. I was dumbfounded to see his hits as we moved further back a perfect wedge. He mashes the trigger. He anticipates. He can dry fire fine but as soon as you put live and dummy rounds in, he starts hitting low left. You can tell him what to do while he is shooting abd nothing fixes his issue. Was ready to hit him with a bat. Shot his gun for him to make sure the sights were fine, straight down the middle for me. I bought a used Glock 41 online and when I went to test fire it, the hits were high and to the right. I guess the previous owner figured out how to compensate for his glock shooting inabilities. Had to order a new set of sights. |
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Originally Posted By Happycamp: use the pad of your finger not the knuckle joint Glocks are not a rifle. Using the first knuckle provides more support on the strong side of the weapon. OP, get someone to load snap caps in magazines for you at random at the range. I bet you are anticipating the recoil and noise, which an observer will see when you dip the gun low left on a dummy round. |
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Shooting hand squeezing the grip at the same time as the trigger. This rotates the gun to the left. Need to isolate those 2 functions. Anticipating recoil pushes the gun down. My son has the same problem. I have him switch to the other hand for a brain reset. Then switch back. Support hand thumb up against the slide helps too. |