Posted: 9/2/2024 12:52:14 AM EDT
Any secrets or tricks I should know to prepare? Any clothing recommendations that might work better than others? I figure I will went up with a few welts, etc. Should I wear a cup? 
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Cup, yes. Everything else, optional. My first class I wore thick pants, shirt + heavy sweatshirt, padded work gloves, boots. I was sweating my ass off in the GA heat. Last class was running shoes, shorts & t-shirt (plus "soft" athletic cup). Its really not much different from a paintball shot by someone who's overgassing his gun for some extra FPS. |
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Originally Posted By caduckgunner: Course description said airsoft and simunitions. It also said what clothes stuff to wear, but I figure I would as anyways. Only thing not mention was a dong protector, so maybe they provide that? I know they provide eye and face protection. Airsoft isn't bad, UTM is a little worse at close range IMO. A cup may hinder your movement, depending on the class and what you are "allowed" to do, that might not be an issue. I've never bothered and never regretted it. Gloves and good eye pro, wrap around googles. Pluck the foam out of the edges so it breathes more. It will likely fog anyway, be ready for it, just part of the fun. There is also those all mesh eye pro. I've tested some of the more inexpensive ones with our M4 gas guns at less than a yard and they stop BB's. All airflow no fogging. Using airsoft- we use the gas guns (Glocks for SHTF pistol class, FOF day), I always tell students to check the gun prior to going into the house and we also provide one spare magazine. If there is a problem with the gas guns, it's always the magazine and usually swapping mags will fix the problem. Easier to have a spare mag and reload versus restarting a whole scenario and resetting a 2 story house. Don't get too much clothing on, you'll overheat and to be honest, getting "shot" should hurt a bit. To me the extra clothing never really softened the hit anyway, just made you hotter. Last class in May, it was pretty damn hot in the house- we install paneling over all the windows to protect the glass. It gives the "low light" aspect even during the middle of the day but cuts the airflow to nothing inside the 2 story house. One of our role players owns an AC company, he tells me after class- "Rob, I'm going to help you get some AC in this house so we don't die next time." LOL. He was stuck as a "hostage" with another guy in the hottest room of the house most of the day while students rotated through  Lots of good decision making skills can be garnered doing this kind of training and IMO, individual training like this should include a good grasp of that. |
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The secrets to Force on Force tend to be things like a deep understanding of tactics and the OODA loop. Understanding of the criminal assault paradigm. Delta tells their guys the Perfect offense is the one that is over before the looser really understands what is going on. The Perfect defense is a counter-attack that succeeds before the assailant discovers he has bitten off more than he can chew. Speed, Surprise, Violence of Action |
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I teach FoF classes every year. Based on what I have seen, some suggestions: Wear gear that closely mirrors what you actually use. You might not be able to find suitable training gear to match all your real stuff. That's okay, it doesn't have to be exactly the same, but you want to get as close as possible. Treat scenarios like they are real events. Do what you think you should do, not what you think the instructor wants you to do. Don't try to "guess" what is going to happen. Carefully observe what is going on and react appropriately. Don't "fight the scenario." Whatever conditions you have been given, there you are. Don't look for ways to justify failure, look for ways to be successful. Don't forget that disengaging and alternatives to lethal force may be appropriate for the scenario. See if there are other options besides shooting your way out. Don't be afraid of failure, do what you think is the right thing. If you're wrong, it will be a valuable journey of self-discovery. |
| Definitely some kind of gloves, an outer long-sleeve that you don’t care about (and ideally is difficult to rip) and some anti-fog for the mask. If they’ll let you wear your own paintball mask with an anti-fog double layer lens then bring that. The Simunition brand full helmets fog like crazy no matter what you do. |
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Originally Posted By Pakieser: I teach FoF classes every year. Based on what I have seen, some suggestions: Wear gear that closely mirrors what you actually use. You might not be able to find suitable training gear to match all your real stuff. That's okay, it doesn't have to be exactly the same, but you want to get as close as possible. Treat scenarios like they are real events. Do what you think you should do, not what you think the instructor wants you to do. Don't try to "guess" what is going to happen. Carefully observe what is going on and react appropriately. Don't "fight the scenario." Whatever conditions you have been given, there you are. Don't look for ways to justify failure, look for ways to be successful. Don't forget that disengaging and alternatives to lethal force may be appropriate for the scenario. See if there are other options besides shooting your way out. Don't be afraid of failure, do what you think is the right thing. If you're wrong, it will be a valuable journey of self-discovery. Good stuff. We purposely try to throw in a "you didn't have to shoot this guy" scenario also. Unfortunately, that pretty much dooms that role player TO get shot! Or hell we've seen him straight up executed.. It's crazy. Verbalizing and thinking outside the box really is a thing. |
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Originally Posted By Lowdown3: Good stuff. We purposely try to throw in a "you didn't have to shoot this guy" scenario also. Unfortunately, that pretty much dooms that role player TO get shot! Or hell we've seen him straight up executed.. It's crazy. Verbalizing and thinking outside the box really is a thing. We try and tailor scenarios to provide every student with at least one "should not shoot" and one "must shoot" scenario, as well as everything in between. Our philosophy is that FoF is not really about shooting (we can teach that on the range). It's more about observation, communication and decision making. |
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Originally Posted By Pakieser: We try and tailor scenarios to provide every student with at least one "should not shoot" and one "must shoot" scenario, as well as everything in between. Our philosophy is that FoF is not really about shooting (we can teach that on the range). It's more about observation, communication and decision making. Originally Posted By Pakieser: Originally Posted By Lowdown3: Good stuff. We purposely try to throw in a "you didn't have to shoot this guy" scenario also. Unfortunately, that pretty much dooms that role player TO get shot! Or hell we've seen him straight up executed.. It's crazy. Verbalizing and thinking outside the box really is a thing. We try and tailor scenarios to provide every student with at least one "should not shoot" and one "must shoot" scenario, as well as everything in between. Our philosophy is that FoF is not really about shooting (we can teach that on the range). It's more about observation, communication and decision making. Yep. Testing people's OODA loop can be a real eye opener. Situational Awareness, actually understanding what you see, making decisions under stress, and properly executing actions against thinking breathing opponents is the best training. |
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Originally Posted By R_S: Yep. Testing people's OODA loop can be a real eye opener. Situational Awareness, actually understanding what you see, making decisions under stress, and properly executing actions against thinking breathing opponents is the best training. This is so true. Tunnel vision is bad. So bad in fact, that you can get shot and not feel it until someone points out the blob on your shirt... Id say go as fast as you can think. Thinking is more important than shooting... |
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Originally Posted By Voland: Id say go as fast as you can think. Thinking is more important than shooting... As a friend of mine says, "don't shoot faster than you can think". |
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Originally Posted By TonyF: As a friend of mine says, "don't shoot faster than you can think". Originally Posted By TonyF: Originally Posted By Voland: Id say go as fast as you can think. Thinking is more important than shooting... As a friend of mine says, "don't shoot faster than you can think". I will agree and also counter with "violence of action is a tactic for a reason". Don't shoot unless you're sure you should, but once you commit to aggression don't stop or hesitate until all threats are identified AND neutralized. Saw more than one person freeze from indecision, and others lock up after firing the first shot - especially if it introduced a doubt into their mind (usually from actor RP, such as "wife run out screaming about shooting her unarmed husband" only to find out she also has a gun and kills you while you hesitate or rethink your original decision). |
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